Re: [Biofuel] Castor beens and oil
Thank you for you help. I understand biofilter process and do not know hot and cold extraction process. Tom will elaborate numbers and send it to you. Again thank you very much I do not know hot and cold extraction process.Pannir could you briefly describe it??? Could you Pannir send me you phone number ?? Tom a nd Pannir : Do you have Skype? If not I invite you to join this community and we can talk over the phone " for free" essentially. W cubic. skype.com.br - my login is _/*fransciscoramos*/_ Again thank you all for your attention. You all have been very responsive. VEry best for all of us Chico Pannir P.V wrote: Helow All Fransico Well we in north east of Brasil. A lot of castor oil is produces here and other place , but the e first time we hear the odour problems which can be esily solved You can solve the problem using different hot and cold extraction process which are under development very seriously in Brasil As we are in Brasil we can surley join with Irwin in the biofilter design as we do have posgraduate programme In Chemical engineering dept UFRN, Natal to do the same. The price of the castor oil sold for the petro chemical companies are very high compared to heating. It is better you find a alternate energy such as used vegetabale oil and make Biofuel for Motor . As we are in Brazil we can jointly work to solve our problem . sd Pannirselvam P.V On Apr 1, 2005 5:04 PM, Tom Irwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi All, I'm an American living in Uruguay and I may have a potential solution for your odor problem. It's called a compost biofilter. In essence you pull the air from your castor bean pressing facility and pass it through a large enough pile of compost. The compost scrubs the organics (the odors) from the air stream and eats them for dinner. You have to keep the compost optimally moist with water and it is sized by the number of cubic meter of air you pull from your pressing operation. I'm certain there are engineers in Brazil who can size this for you properly if not write back with the number of cubic meters you need scrubbed and I'll do a rough pass design for you. By rough pass, I mean I will oversize it to more than adequately scrub what you need. It will cost you slightly more in terms of land, compost and water. But heck, you live in Brazil, have lots of land, and if you can convince some folks there to just slow down on the cutting of the rainforest, plenty of water. Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: FRANCISCO To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/31/05 9:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Castor beens and oil Hy!!! need help form the group We are developping a project to replace fossil fuel ( about 12 million gallons per year ) by vegetable oil at 1 to1 ratio . The customer is a paper industry. We will have small farmers planting castor to begin with and later we will move to jatropha when we domesticate it. We will press and extract the oil then burn it in the furnace. The problem we will face in the field is odor as when we press castor beens a _*very bad smell*_ just come out( we found that on our lab/bench test). As of know we do not want a individual solution ( masks with activated carbon ) but an industrial operational solution. Does any one had experienced same thing with castor??? If so is there any solution and if so what is it and how do we implement it I thank you in advance for your cooperation. Very best for us Chico ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Castor beens and oil
Hi All, They have been using these compost biofilters for quite some time in the U.S. They tend to have big footprints but really low operating expenses. They«re used at wastewater treatment plants, MSW compost facilities, and fish processing plants to name a few. I«m happy to be of whatever help I can to my large northern neighbor. Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Pannir P.V To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2/04/05 10:21 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Castor beens and oil Helow All Fransico Well we in north east of Brasil. A lot of castor oil is produces here and other place , but the e first time we hear the odour problems which can be esily solved You can solve the problem using different hot and cold extraction process which are under development very seriously in Brasil As we are in Brasil we can surley join with Irwin in the biofilter design as we do have posgraduate programme In Chemical engineering dept UFRN, Natal to do the same. The price of the castor oil sold for the petro chemical companies are very high compared to heating. It is better you find a alternate energy such as used vegetabale oil and make Biofuel for Motor . As we are in Brazil we can jointly work to solve our problem . sd Pannirselvam P.V On Apr 1, 2005 5:04 PM, Tom Irwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm an American living in Uruguay and I may have a potential solution for > your odor problem. It's called a compost biofilter. In essence you pull the > air from your castor bean pressing facility and pass it through a large > enough pile of compost. The compost scrubs the organics (the odors) from the > air stream and eats them for dinner. You have to keep the compost optimally > moist with water and it is sized by the number of cubic meter of air you > pull from your pressing operation. I'm certain there are engineers in Brazil > who can size this for you properly if not write back with the number of > cubic meters you need scrubbed and I'll do a rough pass design for you. By > rough pass, I mean I will oversize it to more than adequately scrub what you > need. It will cost you slightly more in terms of land, compost and water. > But heck, you live in Brazil, have lots of land, and if you can convince > some folks there to just slow down on the cutting of the rainforest, plenty > of water. > > Tom Irwin > > > -Original Message----- > From: FRANCISCO > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 3/31/05 9:36 AM > Subject: [Biofuel] Castor beens and oil > > Hy!!! need help form the group > > We are developping a project to replace fossil fuel ( about 12 million > gallons per year ) by vegetable oil at 1 to1 ratio . The customer is a > paper industry. We will have small farmers planting castor to begin with > > and later we will move to jatropha when we domesticate it. We will press > > and extract the oil then burn it in the furnace. The problem we will > face in the field is odor as when we press castor beens a _*very bad > smell*_ just come out( we found that on our lab/bench test). As of know > we do not want a individual solution ( masks with activated carbon ) but > > an industrial operational solution. > Does any one had experienced same thing with castor??? If so is there > any solution and if so what is it and how do we implement it > I thank you in advance for your cooperation. > Very best for us > Chico > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing l
Re: [Biofuel] Castor beens and oil
Helow All Fransico Well we in north east of Brasil. A lot of castor oil is produces here and other place , but the e first time we hear the odour problems which can be esily solved You can solve the problem using different hot and cold extraction process which are under development very seriously in Brasil As we are in Brasil we can surley join with Irwin in the biofilter design as we do have posgraduate programme In Chemical engineering dept UFRN, Natal to do the same. The price of the castor oil sold for the petro chemical companies are very high compared to heating. It is better you find a alternate energy such as used vegetabale oil and make Biofuel for Motor . As we are in Brazil we can jointly work to solve our problem . sd Pannirselvam P.V On Apr 1, 2005 5:04 PM, Tom Irwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm an American living in Uruguay and I may have a potential solution for > your odor problem. It's called a compost biofilter. In essence you pull the > air from your castor bean pressing facility and pass it through a large > enough pile of compost. The compost scrubs the organics (the odors) from the > air stream and eats them for dinner. You have to keep the compost optimally > moist with water and it is sized by the number of cubic meter of air you > pull from your pressing operation. I'm certain there are engineers in Brazil > who can size this for you properly if not write back with the number of > cubic meters you need scrubbed and I'll do a rough pass design for you. By > rough pass, I mean I will oversize it to more than adequately scrub what you > need. It will cost you slightly more in terms of land, compost and water. > But heck, you live in Brazil, have lots of land, and if you can convince > some folks there to just slow down on the cutting of the rainforest, plenty > of water. > > Tom Irwin > > > -Original Message----- > From: FRANCISCO > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 3/31/05 9:36 AM > Subject: [Biofuel] Castor beens and oil > > Hy!!! need help form the group > > We are developping a project to replace fossil fuel ( about 12 million > gallons per year ) by vegetable oil at 1 to1 ratio . The customer is a > paper industry. We will have small farmers planting castor to begin with > > and later we will move to jatropha when we domesticate it. We will press > > and extract the oil then burn it in the furnace. The problem we will > face in the field is odor as when we press castor beens a _*very bad > smell*_ just come out( we found that on our lab/bench test). As of know > we do not want a individual solution ( masks with activated carbon ) but > > an industrial operational solution. > Does any one had experienced same thing with castor??? If so is there > any solution and if so what is it and how do we implement it > I thank you in advance for your cooperation. > Very best for us > Chico > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Castor beens and oil
Hi All, I'm an American living in Uruguay and I may have a potential solution for your odor problem. It's called a compost biofilter. In essence you pull the air from your castor bean pressing facility and pass it through a large enough pile of compost. The compost scrubs the organics (the odors) from the air stream and eats them for dinner. You have to keep the compost optimally moist with water and it is sized by the number of cubic meter of air you pull from your pressing operation. I'm certain there are engineers in Brazil who can size this for you properly if not write back with the number of cubic meters you need scrubbed and I'll do a rough pass design for you. By rough pass, I mean I will oversize it to more than adequately scrub what you need. It will cost you slightly more in terms of land, compost and water. But heck, you live in Brazil, have lots of land, and if you can convince some folks there to just slow down on the cutting of the rainforest, plenty of water. Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: FRANCISCO To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/31/05 9:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Castor beens and oil Hy!!! need help form the group We are developping a project to replace fossil fuel ( about 12 million gallons per year ) by vegetable oil at 1 to1 ratio . The customer is a paper industry. We will have small farmers planting castor to begin with and later we will move to jatropha when we domesticate it. We will press and extract the oil then burn it in the furnace. The problem we will face in the field is odor as when we press castor beens a _*very bad smell*_ just come out( we found that on our lab/bench test). As of know we do not want a individual solution ( masks with activated carbon ) but an industrial operational solution. Does any one had experienced same thing with castor??? If so is there any solution and if so what is it and how do we implement it I thank you in advance for your cooperation. Very best for us Chico ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Castor beens and oil
We are developping a project to replace fossil fuel ( about 12 million gallons per year ) by vegetable oil at 1 to1 ratio . The customer is a paper industry. We will have small farmers planting castor to begin with and later we will move to jatropha when we domesticate it. We will press and extract the oil then burn it in the furnace. The problem we will face in the field is odor as when we press castor beens a _*very bad smell*_ just come out( we found that on our lab/bench test). As of know we do not want a individual solution ( masks with activated carbon ) but an industrial operational solution. Does any one had experienced same thing with castor??? If so is there any solution and if so what is it and how do we implement it I thank you in advance for your cooperation. Very best for us Chico ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
