Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Hi D...regarding removing the gases, the distiller I use finishes the process by dripping the water through a carbon filter. Is this what you're talking about? Regarding the mineral replacement, I take a vitamin and mineral supplement from a company called Bronson. They call it "Insurance Formula." It is a formulation based on a book written by a Dr. Roger J. Williams, The Wonderful World Within You (Bantam, 1977) (How's that for documentation, Bob?) It's been ages since I've read the book, so can't tell you a damn thing about it. We buy direct from Bronson, not a multilevel deal or anything. Prices seem real good, so have never considered anything else. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi Mike, Yep, homogenization breaks the particles down to such a small size that they can pass through the gut into the body cavity where they put a burden on the immune system. Pastuerization adds to the problem by destroying the "life force" of the milk, the enzymes. Of course the milk has to be from a healthy animal that is grass fed. Soy is controversial in that it has hormonal effects. Also it is a GM crop with all that that implies. But if you seem to be thriving on it, eh, what the heck? WRT distilled water, just take an extra mineral tablet each day. That's what I do. The thing with distillers is that they are poor wrt to removing volatile gases, like benzene, etc. So I run the water through a carbon filter like that from Pur to get those gases out. Also there's the removal of lead, cadmium, etc., then the distiller cleans up the residual. So the water is pretty clean. It is strange though that the Pur filter allows the flouride to pass through. Who needs that crap? Anyway, the distiller removes it. Peace and light, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi D and Mike...isn't homogenized milk whipped up into incredibly small particles that actually scar the lining of the esophagus and arteries, thereby, allowing cholesterol to more easily coagulate along the linings? Whether or not it does, I say "soy milk." I know I know...tastes terrible, to some. But I only use it on cereals and a couple of desserts. Plenty of other stuff to be drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc etc...hey...distilledperiod...and don't bother me about taste...if you can taste it, it ain't water you're tasting! Yeah, I'm closed minded on this one!! LOL Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) > Hi Mike,> I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When> milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful> to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the> Harvard study would actually be better off.> Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic.> Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the Hunzas> drink their milk cultured, not straight up.> Peace, D. Mindock> > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia > WasTestimonials as Evidence)> > >> From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept.>>>> Caveat: No proof other than what I've read over the years.>>>> It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are>> in large part due to environment/lifestyle. In the third world,>> disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of food and>> adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer from the>> diseaeses of affluence: diabetis being the one that comes to mind,>> along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, high blood>> pressure, strokes and so on. Smoking is anothe
Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Hi Tom...thanks for this post and especially your concern. I probably shouldn't have said anything. We've owned a distiller for years and have always enjoyed how the distilled water seems to make more pronounced the flavors of coffee, frozen oranje juice, various broths, stews, etc etc, and oh yeah, one of my favorites--scotch (single malt...Glen Moray, 12 yearneat...two fingers...in the eveningdelicious). Never worry about (or taste) anything between the water and our drink. But then I've always wondered about any leaching of stuff from my body, especially the bad stuff, because lord knows I dump enough vitamins and minerals in there to replace many times over whatever of the good stuff might be leached. Of course, I walk daily, getting ready to go out now in fact and keep myself in shape in part that way. I don't know, annual visits to my traditional westernized doc keep producing "healthy" results, except I have struggled with cholesterol until the last exam which was preceded by flax seed, soy milk, and increased exercise for several months prior to the exam and my cholesterol (the bad stuff) was way down, although the good stuff wasn't high enough for me, but my doc said it was okay. Anyway, I'm going into all this to try and round out a big picture. I know our water is a major piece of our overall health picture and my choices dictate distilled. I don't trust the bottled water stuff. I sure as heck don't trust the tap water. Your speaker's artificially softened water claims don't surprise me at all. I suppose I could go out and buy reverse osmosis which just sounds too weird to me. In the end, I suppose I have to nod to the "Bob" in me and request the data, the research, the unequivocal science that says, hey buddy, distilled bad. Even then, like I've said up front, I'd still be closed minded on this. Something about distilled water is just too simple, too clean, too clear, and really refreshing. But Tom, again, I mean this when I say it, thank you, thank you for your concern. It means everything to me. I hope you believe me. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Mike, You wrote: "Plenty of other stuff to be drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc etc...hey...distilledperiod..." Please, no. This goes back many years, but I heard a presentation by a Dr. Shapiro of the Univ. of Pittsburgh School of Public Health in which he suggested that softened, or worse, distilled water increases one's risk of cardiovascular disease. His conclusion was based on studies of communities that "softened" their water and then went back to "hard" water. There was an increase in cardiovascular disease in the years following treatment to soften the water. There was a decrease in cardiovascular disease in the years following reverting back to hard water. (Zinc may have been the key element.) I believe that this is why cold water lines for drinking and food prep .. bypass water softeners when the water softeners are properly installed. There has been much discussion about practices that grow healthful foods, and processing that compromises the healthfulness of our food. Please consider the water you drink as well. If you do not have access to good, healthful water, and distilled is your best option, I wonder if there is a way to restore it to a more natural state. I know that some beer brewers living in municipalities that soften their water, add something to restore the minerals. Wishing you good health, Tom - Original Message - From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi D and Mike...isn't homogenized milk whipped up into incredibly small particles that actually scar the lining of the esophagus and arteries, thereby, allowing cholesterol to more easily coagulate along the linings? Whether or not it does, I say "soy milk." I know I know...tastes terrible, to some. But I only use it on cereals and a couple of desserts. Plenty of other stuff to be drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc etc...hey...distilledperiod...and don't bo
Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Hi Mike, Quantum physics seems to be verifying much of metaphysical concepts. The idea of everything being connected is one such idea. Actually experiencing it is life changing. The idea of all things being intimately connected is then no longer an abstract thing, but real. Things like war or killing another human are no longer possible. Killing another becomes killing yourself. War is seen as a monstrosity. Peace & cooperation become as natural as breathing. Probably the way to go is to always assume the best intentions wrt messages via email or on this list. Email is a stripped of a lot of feeling and can be easily misconstrued. Joe does an admirable job of getting his ideas across with email. I still am learning how to use email so that I don't offend. This forum is good learning experience for me. Yep, experiencing the feeling of all pervasive connectedness becomes a knowing, beyond faith. So it becomes part of your intrinsic makeup--your being. This connectedness extends to your own soul/spirit. I heard Deepak Chopra speak last week. He presents this idea of Unity in a stunningly clear way via quantum physics and his knowledge of the human body. He is a endocrinologist, one of the best in the world. Nothing beats actually experiencing it, but listening to him explain it led to a-ha moments. We do create our own reality. So make yourself a great reality. Peace & light, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hey D...I hear ya. Much is lost oftentimes in the written word, especially tone of voice and other body language, so I sometimes don't know if I'm running up against a real arrogance or genuine inquiry. Nonetheless, I agree that objections to our beliefs and feelings, especially as they shape our perceptions of what is, can only be clarified if indeed we are truly "open-minded." In that regards, I recognize I am very "close-minded" about one thing, our connection to all that is. But curiously, this makes me very "open-minded" to both the probabilities and possibilities inherent within those connections, an attitude I find lacking in our dear self-professed archetype/cultural icon Bob and so many folks. And I wonder that it is because of this that we face so many of the "problems" that we do today or ever. I'm satisfied, however, that it doesn't matter. What is true is true, and ours is not to make it so, but only to realize it. Not an easy task being human. Thanks for your many posts D. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:51 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)> Yo Mike,> I'm a night owl. I go to bed at dawn. Four years working rotating shifts> as a weather> forecaster has totally screwed up whatever body clock I had. I was a > preemie> and the> lights were on all the time. That was the first assault on my body clock.> Bob is Bob (did Joe say that first?) is all I can say. He doesn't seem > to> give much credence to people's experience or opinions based on experience> and at the same time he has too much faith in science. These> are my opinions and I know they don't adequately express what is > percolating> in the back of> my head. But I do like Bob. I think he does help us as we try to formulate> our> beliefs and feelings in things far more important than scientific data.> Peace, D. Mindock>>>> - Original Message - > From: "M&K DuPree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 3:59 AM> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as> AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)>>>> Love your sense of humor D, ie Bob's love of data etc at times being "awe>> inspiring." But Bob might consider your comments awful. It's 4am as I>> write this, and I'm awfully tired. Mike DuPree>>>> - Original Message - >> From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 2:33 AM>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia>> WasTestimonials as Evidence)>>>>>>> Yep, I too admire scientists, real truth seeking ones, not those who can>>>
