Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus
How about wastewater treatment plants taking their sludge and land applying it without composting. Yours is cleaner than theirs for certain. Tom Irwin From:"A. Lawrence" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject:Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humusDate:Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:43:28 -0800Witness composting toilets... are they not doing the same thing you are,albeit in a different manner??- Original Message -From: "Keith Addison" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Friday, December 22, 2006 5:19 PMSubject: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus Can anyone help Tom? He's not a list member, but I'll refer him to any discussions here. Thanks! All best KeithFrom: "tom habasco" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: humanure to humus Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006Hello my name is Tom Habasco and I will be going into circuit court in order to defend my right to compost. I am the 5th generation of organic farming family.We have known of the benefits of this for many decades. Unfortunately the local health people tell me it is illegal for me to compost humanure, as it is explained by Joseph Jenkins in his book.Now they have a signed order which makes my home and lifestyle illegal . They say that there is no scientific proof that composting humanure works or that it is safe. I personally have been growing fruits and veggie's for the plate to eat for many years. In my defense I must say I have never become ill from my gardens. I have no illness whatsoever and take no medication for anything. How do we convince these youngsters at the so called "health dept's" that composting is safe and a much better approach to our handling of the environment than there septic approach? I need proof and support that you may have to fight for my right to own property live on that property, farm my small gardens " under half acre of gardens" and compost including humanure.If I fail at this I will be ordered off my property and my home will be moved away by them at my cost. This is not an option , that is why it is of the utmost importance that I seek help from like minded people like you to help[ support me and my decision to make a lifestyle change and help the earth by becoming less dependant on fossil fuels like oil. Thank you for your time, if you can please respond before Jan 3 2007,___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus
Ya know, I'm actually kinda curious to know how this guy is going about composting his waste...I've read a little about it, but never talked to anyone who's done it him/herself. I'm reading a cool book right now called Goodbye to the flush toilet... some late 70's idealistic commie-lib propaganda designed to make good honest folks think that the system that's in place now might not be very efficient. Pshaw, that's like saying the current administration isn't very efficient...just ludicrous. But anyways, this book (a good read, but might be a little hard to find...edited by Carol Hupping Stoner, Rodale Press, 1977) says that it takes some ungodly amount of time for the compost to reach a safe level to be mixed into garden manure. Something like a minimum of six months. And also...what kind of fascist housing authority is this guy dealing with...taking his house away...hmmm...does he have a history of pissing off the neighborhood, or does he just live in some posh upperclass development where the Bourgeoisie don't want to smell his decomposing shit. Best of luck anyways, --- Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - How about wastewater treatment plants taking their sludge and land applying it without composting. Yours is cleaner than theirs for certain. Tom Irwin - From: A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:43:28 -0800 Witness composting toilets... are they not doing the same thing you are, albeit in a different manner?? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus Can anyone help Tom? He's not a list member, but I'll refer him to any discussions here. Thanks! All best Keith From: tom habasco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: humanure to humus Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 Hello my name is Tom Habasco and I will be going into circuit court in order to defend my right to compost. I am the 5th generation of organic farming family.We have known of the benefits of this for many decades. Unfortunately the local health people tell me it is illegal for me to compost humanure, as it is explained by Joseph Jenkins in his book.Now they have a signed order which makes my home and lifestyle illegal . They say that there is no scientific proof that composting humanure works or that it is safe. I personally have been growing fruits and veggie's for the plate to eat for many years. In my defense I must say I have never become ill from my gardens. I have no illness whatsoever and take no medication for anything. How do we convince these youngsters at the so called health dept's that composting is safe and a much better approach to our handling of the environment than there septic approach? I need proof and support that you may have to fight for my right to own property live on that property, farm my small gardens under half acre of gardens and compost including humanure.If I fail at this I will be ordered off my property and my home will be moved away by them at my cost. This is not an option , that is why it is of the utmost importance that I seek help from like minded people like you to help[ support me and my decision to make a lifestyle change and help the earth by becoming less dependant on fossil fuels like oil. Thank you for your time, if you can please respond before Jan 3 2007, ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus
In Florida, there is an extension service provided by the University of Florida which provides all kinds of information on farming and agriculture to the general public. Does the local university have a program like that in your area? If so, they can probably provide plenty of scientific evidence in your favor, especially if you can find a professor who is willing to help you. Can the health dept. really prove it's human anyhow? On 12/22/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone help Tom? He's not a list member, but I'll refer him to any discussions here. Thanks! All best Keith From: tom habasco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: humanure to humus Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 Hello my name is Tom Habasco and I will be going into circuit court in order to defend my right to compost. I am the 5th generation of organic farming family.We have known of the benefits of this for many decades. Unfortunately the local health people tell me it is illegal for me to compost humanure, as it is explained by Joseph Jenkins in his book.Now they have a signed order which makes my home and lifestyle illegal . They say that there is no scientific proof that composting humanure works or that it is safe. I personally have been growing fruits and veggie's for the plate to eat for many years. In my defense I must say I have never become ill from my gardens. I have no illness whatsoever and take no medication for anything. How do we convince these youngsters at the so called health dept's that composting is safe and a much better approach to our handling of the environment than there septic approach? I need proof and support that you may have to fight for my right to own property live on that property, farm my small gardens under half acre of gardens and compost including humanure.If I fail at this I will be ordered off my property and my home will be moved away by them at my cost. This is not an option , that is why it is of the utmost importance that I seek help from like minded people like you to help[ support me and my decision to make a lifestyle change and help the earth by becoming less dependant on fossil fuels like oil. Thank you for your time, if you can please respond before Jan 3 2007, ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus
kind of mixed messages so far, for Tom. Yes, humanure composting is frowned on in many jurisdictions, for public health standards reasons, but those reg's. are usually applicable to whole communities, not individuals with closed-system applications, especially rural land-owners. The time-frame seems unusually short also -- a long-running neighborhood feud coming to a head? Given the time constraint, sounds like Tom needs a shark lawyer -- ACLU, perhaps? -- to protect his rights from gov't. harrassment (on whose behalf?). Tom, is your property in the path of some development or right-of-way? On composting, Rodale Press published numerous tomes some years back with good data -- JtF archives probably has a wealth also, more recent as well. Can you modify to meet standards in time, without spending an arm and leg? Might have to install flush system (unless they're going to surveil your bathrooms, how do they prove you ain't using it?) Go guerilla -- but keep your head down awhile (have you been bragging to neighbors?). Remember -- palm trees bend to ground-level horizontal when a hurricane blows through, then stand back up when it's past. :-)~ Good luck, E.A.C. --- Frank Navarrete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Florida, there is an extension service provided by the University of Florida which provides all kinds of information on farming and agriculture to the general public. Does the local university have a program like that in your area? If so, they can probably provide plenty of scientific evidence in your favor, especially if you can find a professor who is willing to help you. Can the health dept. really prove it's human anyhow? On 12/22/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone help Tom? He's not a list member, but I'll refer him to any discussions here. Thanks! All best Keith From: tom habasco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: humanure to humus Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 Hello my name is Tom Habasco and I will be going into circuit court in order to defend my right to compost. I am the 5th generation of organic farming family.We have known of the benefits of this for many decades. Unfortunately the local health people tell me it is illegal for me to compost humanure, as it is explained by Joseph Jenkins in his book.Now they have a signed order which makes my home and lifestyle illegal . They say that there is no scientific proof that composting humanure works or that it is safe. I personally have been growing fruits and veggie's for the plate to eat for many years. In my defense I must say I have never become ill from my gardens. I have no illness whatsoever and take no medication for anything. How do we convince these youngsters at the so called health dept's that composting is safe and a much better approach to our handling of the environment than there septic approach? I need proof and support that you may have to fight for my right to own property live on that property, farm my small gardens under half acre of gardens and compost including humanure.If I fail at this I will be ordered off my property and my home will be moved away by them at my cost. This is not an option , that is why it is of the utmost importance that I seek help from like minded people like you to help[ support me and my decision to make a lifestyle change and help the earth by becoming less dependant on fossil fuels like oil. Thank you for your time, if you can please respond before Jan 3 2007, ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus
Can anyone help Tom? He's not a list member, but I'll refer him to any discussions here. Thanks! All best Keith From: tom habasco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: humanure to humus Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 Hello my name is Tom Habasco and I will be going into circuit court in order to defend my right to compost. I am the 5th generation of organic farming family.We have known of the benefits of this for many decades. Unfortunately the local health people tell me it is illegal for me to compost humanure, as it is explained by Joseph Jenkins in his book.Now they have a signed order which makes my home and lifestyle illegal . They say that there is no scientific proof that composting humanure works or that it is safe. I personally have been growing fruits and veggie's for the plate to eat for many years. In my defense I must say I have never become ill from my gardens. I have no illness whatsoever and take no medication for anything. How do we convince these youngsters at the so called health dept's that composting is safe and a much better approach to our handling of the environment than there septic approach? I need proof and support that you may have to fight for my right to own property live on that property, farm my small gardens under half acre of gardens and compost including humanure.If I fail at this I will be ordered off my property and my home will be moved away by them at my cost. This is not an option , that is why it is of the utmost importance that I seek help from like minded people like you to help[ support me and my decision to make a lifestyle change and help the earth by becoming less dependant on fossil fuels like oil. Thank you for your time, if you can please respond before Jan 3 2007, ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus
Witness composting toilets... are they not doing the same thing you are, albeit in a different manner?? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus Can anyone help Tom? He's not a list member, but I'll refer him to any discussions here. Thanks! All best Keith From: tom habasco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: humanure to humus Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 Hello my name is Tom Habasco and I will be going into circuit court in order to defend my right to compost. I am the 5th generation of organic farming family.We have known of the benefits of this for many decades. Unfortunately the local health people tell me it is illegal for me to compost humanure, as it is explained by Joseph Jenkins in his book.Now they have a signed order which makes my home and lifestyle illegal . They say that there is no scientific proof that composting humanure works or that it is safe. I personally have been growing fruits and veggie's for the plate to eat for many years. In my defense I must say I have never become ill from my gardens. I have no illness whatsoever and take no medication for anything. How do we convince these youngsters at the so called health dept's that composting is safe and a much better approach to our handling of the environment than there septic approach? I need proof and support that you may have to fight for my right to own property live on that property, farm my small gardens under half acre of gardens and compost including humanure.If I fail at this I will be ordered off my property and my home will be moved away by them at my cost. This is not an option , that is why it is of the utmost importance that I seek help from like minded people like you to help[ support me and my decision to make a lifestyle change and help the earth by becoming less dependant on fossil fuels like oil. Thank you for your time, if you can please respond before Jan 3 2007, ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
