Re: [Biofuel] Goodbye To All That Oil

2005-04-07 Thread MH

  From the sound of things the price of petroleum
  products is to cheap and should increase
  to adjust for inflation, world growth and demand.

 along with gov't intelligence and military actions
 needed to secure world supplies.  If only there were
 some conciliatory alternatives to all this. 

  Won't the problem take care of itself? As prices rise, people will
  voluntarily cut consumption, right? Well, in a 2003 article, energy
  economist Andrew McKillop showed that at least during the 1990s, the
  opposite happened. Each time oil prices rose, world demand rose
  within six-12 months. And over on the far side of Hubbert's peak, it
  will be physical reality, not economics, that governs consumption.
  With supply shrinking year by year, every barrel that comes out of
  the ground will likely be burned lickety-split.

  http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/21588/
 
  Goodbye To All That Oil
 
  By Stan Cox, AlterNet. Posted April 4, 2005.
 
  The peak oil idea - which says that world oil production will go into
  irreversible decline sometime in the next decade or two - is quickly
  morphing into conventional wisdom.
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Re: [Biofuel] Goodbye To All That Oil

2005-04-07 Thread Michael Redler


Hey, I found this while surfing yesterday and thought it was interesting, 
ironic, and related to this thread.

Mike

According to information posted on the Renewable Energy: The Infinite Power  
of Texas Web server, the Lone Star State now imports $7 billion worth of  
fossil fuels annually but has more renewable energy potential than any  other 
state in America. 

http://solstice.crest.org/pipermail/bioenergy/1997-June/005334.html


MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the sound of things the price of petroleum
 products is to cheap and should increase
 to adjust for inflation, world growth and demand.

along with gov't intelligence and military actions
needed to secure world supplies. If only there were
some conciliatory alternatives to all this. 

 Won't the problem take care of itself? As prices rise, people will
 voluntarily cut consumption, right? Well, in a 2003 article, energy
 economist Andrew McKillop showed that at least during the 1990s, the
 opposite happened. Each time oil prices rose, world demand rose
 within six-12 months. And over on the far side of Hubbert's peak, it
 will be physical reality, not economics, that governs consumption.
 With supply shrinking year by year, every barrel that comes out of
 the ground will likely be burned lickety-split.

  http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/21588/
 
  Goodbye To All That Oil
 
  By Stan Cox, AlterNet. Posted April 4, 2005.
 
  The peak oil idea - which says that world oil production will go into
  irreversible decline sometime in the next decade or two - is quickly
  morphing into conventional wisdom.
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Re: [Biofuel] Goodbye To All That Oil

2005-04-06 Thread MH

 From the sound of things the price of petroleum
 products is to cheap and should increase
 to adjust for inflation, world growth and demand. 

 Won't the problem take care of itself? As prices rise, people will 
 voluntarily cut consumption, right? Well, in a 2003 article, energy 
 economist Andrew McKillop showed that at least during the 1990s, the 
 opposite happened. Each time oil prices rose, world demand rose 
 within six-12 months. And over on the far side of Hubbert's peak, it 
 will be physical reality, not economics, that governs consumption. 
 With supply shrinking year by year, every barrel that comes out of 
 the ground will likely be burned lickety-split. 


 http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/21588/
 
 Goodbye To All That Oil
 
 By Stan Cox, AlterNet. Posted April 4, 2005.
 
 The peak oil idea - which says that world oil production will go into
 irreversible decline sometime in the next decade or two - is quickly
 morphing into conventional wisdom.
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[Biofuel] Goodbye To All That Oil

2005-04-05 Thread Keith Addison



Goodbye To All That Oil

By Stan Cox, AlterNet. Posted April 4, 2005.

The peak oil idea - which says that world oil production will go into 
irreversible decline sometime in the next decade or two - is quickly 
morphing into conventional wisdom.


Until recently, peak-oil analysts got about as much respect from the 
energy establishment as do perpetual-motion enthusiasts. But now, 
with oil prices headed for uncharted territory and even Saudi Arabia 
seemingly unable to boost production to higher levels, the peak oil 
idea - which says that world oil production will go into irreversible 
decline sometime in the the next decade or two - is quickly morphing 
into conventional wisdom.


Fifty years ago, geologist M. King Hubbert showed that the output of 
an oilfield, or indeed the oil production of an entire country, 
increases year by year up to the point (a peak) at which 
approximately half the oil is exhausted. From there, he said, annual 
output drops inexorably toward zero.


Hubbert hit the bullseye with his prediction that U.S. production 
would peak in 1970. And over the past half century, country after 
country has seen its oil production hit a peak and start dropping. 
Yet for decades, economists, petroleum executives and government 
officials refused to follow Hubbert's analysis to its logical 
conclusion - that in the easily foreseeable future, humanity will 
pass over a global peak of oil production, where there awaits a very 
grim, slippery slope.


The Hubbert Curve, designed by geophysicist M. King Hubbert, 
illustrates that over time, the rate of oil production rises and then 
falls in a bell-shape pattern.


But gradually, in the past couple of years, the main issue in the oil 
debate has shifted from whether a world peak will occur to when. And 
when it comes to peak-oil predictions these days, there is no 
shortage.


Please place your bets

Colin Campbell of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas 
(ASPO) predicts that production will begin its decline between now 
and 2010.


British Petroleum exploration consultant Francis Harper believes it 
will happen between 2010 and 2020. Consulting firm PFC Energy puts it 
at around 2010 to 2015. The publication Petroleum Review predicts 
that demand will outstrip supply in 2007. Richard Heinberg, author of 
the 2003 book, The Party's Over: Oil, War, and the Fate of Industrial 
Societies, expects a peak in 2007 or 2008.


Retired Princeton professor Kenneth Deffeyes, author of the 
just-published, Beyond Oil: The View from Hubbert's Peak is more 
pessimistic, and more specific, about when the peak will happen: 
Thanksgiving Day, 2005. (His tongue appears to be in his cheek 
regarding the day, but not the year).


If all that is too gloomy for you, energy consultant Michael Lynch 
maintains that there's no peak in sight for the next 20 or 30 
years. Peter Odell of Erasmus University in the Netherlands has 
tacked a full 30 years onto Deffeyes' grim prediction, setting a date 
of Thanksgiving 2035. And Uncle Sam has the cheeriest news of all: a 
peak year of 2037 forecast by the Department of Energy.


Now how many times has someone told you, Oh, yeah, all my life 
they've been saying the oil's about to run out, and it hasn't done it 
yet? In fact, the record of oil forecasting has not been an exercise 
in Chicken-Littlism.


Asking, When will oil peak and begin its decline? (not, When will 
it run out?), the prognosticators of the past came up with dates 
only five to 10 years ahead of many of today's predictions. Roger 
Bentley of the University of Reading found that in the 1970s - during 
the last outbreak of peak-oil fever - analysts from reputable 
organizations (including Esso, Shell, the UK Department of Energy, 
and the U.N., as well as Hubbert himself) were nearly unanimous in 
predicting a world oil peak somewhere around the year 2000.


Does the peak year even matter?

With oil prices soaring, economic logic says the sooner the peak's 
date can be nailed down, the better. Financial web sites are buzzing 
about it, but in a somewhat merrier key than the peak-oil sites. One 
research firm is even forecasting production peaks for individual oil 
companies, with obvious implications for stock values.


On the other hand, if we're more concerned about improving humanity's 
prospects in 2010 or 2037 than Wall Street's prospects at the close 
of trading tomorrow, then one prediction is probably as good as 
another. In designing an energy policy that can be sustained far into 
the post-petroleum future, the precise timing of the peak is of about 
as much practical importance as the date of the next total eclipse of 
the sun (on that forecast, astronomers agree: March 29, 2006).


A recent report prepared for the U.S. government by Science 
Applications International Corporation suggests that whatever the 
peak year turns out to be, 2005 is the time to get moving on energy 
policy. The report's lead author, Robert L. Hirsch,