Re: [Biofuel] kind of interesting
Hi Joe, Why yes (she said modestly), Mark knows Bill. I have forwarded your note to him so he can tell you all about it. Your story is so cool!! Imagine seeing that formation fly over, yipers. Mark is proud to be part of a group who is organizing to green up the IATSE film union activities here in Toronto, on-site recycling, the reuse of building materials: all stuff that the biz has been doing for years and is now integrating with the general community. There's a big new studio going up that is squeeky green. Jess --- Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Really Jesse? Mark knows Bill Lishman? What a > small world. You know I > was standing down at the mouth of wilmot creek where > it blows into Lake > Ontario trout fishing when the ultralight went > directly over me with the > classic V formation of geese. It was just after > Dawn and I had been > fishing since 4 am and I know I had imbibed but I > stood there in > disbelief first wondering why in heck the ultralight > jockey would > venture beyond gliding range of the shore and second > what the heck was > wrong with these geese who decided to form up on the > ultralight and > wondering if I was actually losing my mind. Later > the story was on the > news. It gets richer, the movie Fly Away Home which > chronicles > Lishman's work ( hollywood style of course) has all > the flying scenes > done by Michael Robertson a long time hang glider > and Canadian icon of > sorts ( he flew a hang glider from the top of the CN > tower) and he is a > local activist trying to stop the expropriation of > farm land in the GTA > for the proposed new airport. He is a real great > down to earth guy just > like Bill. They cut their teeth on the old home > made rogallo wing hang > gliders back in the late 60's and 70's. He lived > with a red tail hawk up > in Locust hill when I met him back in '85 when I > bought my first wing. > What a sweet guy. He will be building one of my > biodiesel reactors this > summer. He has an open petition you can sign if you > want to add your > voice to the protest over the land issues. > I think you can find a link to it on his page > http://www.flyhigh.com/index.php > This is a big issue as the area has primo fertile > land and wetlands > which stand to be harmed if the airport goes in. > The area I used to fish is all suburbia now.:( > Caught a 40 pound > chinook there once upon a time.sigh. > > > Joe > > Jesse Frayne wrote: > > >Thanks for this completely engaging picture of your > >nutty feathered friends. What lucky birds to be > >closely observed and respected. > > > >My husband worked on a film years ago about birds > who > >imprinted on a guy who showed them how to migrate, > >leading them south with a pair of ultra-lights. > Came > >home from work with wonderful stories about the > social > >life of geese: their hard-working natures, how > they > >would play and relax at the end of a long film > >shooting day, their community interaction and > >supportiveness... but especially their sense of > >humour! > > > >Damn! I used to love to eat a goose, but boy, you > >can't do that to someone who can crack a joke. > > > >As a cook, I'm dismayed to read that the chickens I > >prepare regularly are also in the "wide-awake > species" > >category... humm. > > > >Not to resurrect the vegan theme. We all know we > must > >be grateful for anything that sustains us > (broccoli!), > >and try to make something worthwhile with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hi Jesse > >> > >> > >> > >>>Thanks Keith, > >>>and I loved reading about your birds! No > flirting, > >>>just the fanning of feathers. > >>>-J > >>> > >>> > >>:-) > >> > >>I've had a day fraught with birds, especially > broody > >>females getting > >>bad-tempered with everyone else because they think > >>it gives them the > >>moral high ground. Marilyn the duck came out of > her > >>nest-box where > >>she's sitting on 11 eggs, had an enormous shit, > had > >>a large meal, > >>attacked poor Lucy and Spot and beat them up, > >>snarled at the others, > >>and went back to her eggs, making weird squeaking > >>noises. She's a > >>sweetie, is Marilyn, when she's sane, which she's > >>always been up to > >>now. The two big drakes stood off all the while > and > >>huffed a lot, > >>left the womenfolk to it, very wise. Anyway Lucy > and > >>Spot weren't > >>exactly beaten up, Muscovies are built like those > >>special rubber > >>balls that bounce 10 times higher, it's hard to > make > >>an impression. > >> > >>The geese, though, are being sweet and reasonable > >>about it all, for > >>once. Well, they're always extremely sweet, unless > >>you happen to be > >>not a goose (we're sort of honorary geese), but > >>they're not always > >>reasonable. They argue about everything, they're > >>terrible busybodies. > >>They untied all the knots holding up the
Re: [Biofuel] kind of interesting
Really Jesse? Mark knows Bill Lishman? What a small world. You know I
was standing down at the mouth of wilmot creek where it blows into Lake
Ontario trout fishing when the ultralight went directly over me with the
classic V formation of geese. It was just after Dawn and I had been
fishing since 4 am and I know I had imbibed but I stood there in
disbelief first wondering why in heck the ultralight jockey would
venture beyond gliding range of the shore and second what the heck was
wrong with these geese who decided to form up on the ultralight and
wondering if I was actually losing my mind. Later the story was on the
news. It gets richer, the movie Fly Away Home which chronicles
Lishman's work ( hollywood style of course) has all the flying scenes
done by Michael Robertson a long time hang glider and Canadian icon of
sorts ( he flew a hang glider from the top of the CN tower) and he is a
local activist trying to stop the expropriation of farm land in the GTA
for the proposed new airport. He is a real great down to earth guy just
like Bill. They cut their teeth on the old home made rogallo wing hang
gliders back in the late 60's and 70's. He lived with a red tail hawk up
in Locust hill when I met him back in '85 when I bought my first wing.
What a sweet guy. He will be building one of my biodiesel reactors this
summer. He has an open petition you can sign if you want to add your
voice to the protest over the land issues.
I think you can find a link to it on his page
http://www.flyhigh.com/index.php
This is a big issue as the area has primo fertile land and wetlands
which stand to be harmed if the airport goes in.
The area I used to fish is all suburbia now.:( Caught a 40 pound
chinook there once upon a time.sigh.
Joe
Jesse Frayne wrote:
Thanks for this completely engaging picture of your
nutty feathered friends. What lucky birds to be
closely observed and respected.
My husband worked on a film years ago about birds who
imprinted on a guy who showed them how to migrate,
leading them south with a pair of ultra-lights. Came
home from work with wonderful stories about the social
life of geese: their hard-working natures, how they
would play and relax at the end of a long film
shooting day, their community interaction and
supportiveness... but especially their sense of
humour!
Damn! I used to love to eat a goose, but boy, you
can't do that to someone who can crack a joke.
As a cook, I'm dismayed to read that the chickens I
prepare regularly are also in the "wide-awake species"
category... humm.
Not to resurrect the vegan theme. We all know we must
be grateful for anything that sustains us (broccoli!),
and try to make something worthwhile with it.
--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Hi Jesse
Thanks Keith,
and I loved reading about your birds! No flirting,
just the fanning of feathers.
-J
:-)
I've had a day fraught with birds, especially broody
females getting
bad-tempered with everyone else because they think
it gives them the
moral high ground. Marilyn the duck came out of her
nest-box where
she's sitting on 11 eggs, had an enormous shit, had
a large meal,
attacked poor Lucy and Spot and beat them up,
snarled at the others,
and went back to her eggs, making weird squeaking
noises. She's a
sweetie, is Marilyn, when she's sane, which she's
always been up to
now. The two big drakes stood off all the while and
huffed a lot,
left the womenfolk to it, very wise. Anyway Lucy and
Spot weren't
exactly beaten up, Muscovies are built like those
special rubber
balls that bounce 10 times higher, it's hard to make
an impression.
The geese, though, are being sweet and reasonable
about it all, for
once. Well, they're always extremely sweet, unless
you happen to be
not a goose (we're sort of honorary geese), but
they're not always
reasonable. They argue about everything, they're
terrible busybodies.
They untied all the knots holding up the pasture
fence netting, we
had to retie everything with strong plastic cord.
They didn't want to
get out, they just really enjoy untying knots.
They're really good at
it. Very hi-tech gear, those beaks of theirs.
Anyway there are two nests of eggs in their hutch,
lots of eggs,
probably a communal effort rather than two separate
nests for two
geese. Very tight-knit are the geese. Very sexually
liberated too,
they're not rapists like cocks and drakes, it's much
more like making
love. It also gets to be a communal effort, I saw
five them in a
tangle the other day, I couldn't tell who was doing
what to whom.
They sure seemed to be enjoying it, with the other
two standing by
providing a torrent of advice and encouragement.
Suppose they'd
already had their turn. These teenagers of today,
tut-tut. ("Tut-tut"
is Otjiwarongan for "Wish I'd had it so good in my
day".)
All first-timers so far, these new mums-to-be, and
quite a lot of
chaos with it, probably not helped by the fact
Re: [Biofuel] kind of interesting
Thanks for this completely engaging picture of your
nutty feathered friends. What lucky birds to be
closely observed and respected.
My husband worked on a film years ago about birds who
imprinted on a guy who showed them how to migrate,
leading them south with a pair of ultra-lights. Came
home from work with wonderful stories about the social
life of geese: their hard-working natures, how they
would play and relax at the end of a long film
shooting day, their community interaction and
supportiveness... but especially their sense of
humour!
Damn! I used to love to eat a goose, but boy, you
can't do that to someone who can crack a joke.
As a cook, I'm dismayed to read that the chickens I
prepare regularly are also in the "wide-awake species"
category... humm.
Not to resurrect the vegan theme. We all know we must
be grateful for anything that sustains us (broccoli!),
and try to make something worthwhile with it.
--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hi Jesse
>
> >Thanks Keith,
> >and I loved reading about your birds! No flirting,
> >just the fanning of feathers.
> >-J
>
> :-)
>
> I've had a day fraught with birds, especially broody
> females getting
> bad-tempered with everyone else because they think
> it gives them the
> moral high ground. Marilyn the duck came out of her
> nest-box where
> she's sitting on 11 eggs, had an enormous shit, had
> a large meal,
> attacked poor Lucy and Spot and beat them up,
> snarled at the others,
> and went back to her eggs, making weird squeaking
> noises. She's a
> sweetie, is Marilyn, when she's sane, which she's
> always been up to
> now. The two big drakes stood off all the while and
> huffed a lot,
> left the womenfolk to it, very wise. Anyway Lucy and
> Spot weren't
> exactly beaten up, Muscovies are built like those
> special rubber
> balls that bounce 10 times higher, it's hard to make
> an impression.
>
> The geese, though, are being sweet and reasonable
> about it all, for
> once. Well, they're always extremely sweet, unless
> you happen to be
> not a goose (we're sort of honorary geese), but
> they're not always
> reasonable. They argue about everything, they're
> terrible busybodies.
> They untied all the knots holding up the pasture
> fence netting, we
> had to retie everything with strong plastic cord.
> They didn't want to
> get out, they just really enjoy untying knots.
> They're really good at
> it. Very hi-tech gear, those beaks of theirs.
>
> Anyway there are two nests of eggs in their hutch,
> lots of eggs,
> probably a communal effort rather than two separate
> nests for two
> geese. Very tight-knit are the geese. Very sexually
> liberated too,
> they're not rapists like cocks and drakes, it's much
> more like making
> love. It also gets to be a communal effort, I saw
> five them in a
> tangle the other day, I couldn't tell who was doing
> what to whom.
> They sure seemed to be enjoying it, with the other
> two standing by
> providing a torrent of advice and encouragement.
> Suppose they'd
> already had their turn. These teenagers of today,
> tut-tut. ("Tut-tut"
> is Otjiwarongan for "Wish I'd had it so good in my
> day".)
>
> All first-timers so far, these new mums-to-be, and
> quite a lot of
> chaos with it, probably not helped by the fact that
> spring came two
> months early, triggering some things but not yet
> others. I found
> three of the Thai chickens in one of the nesting
> boxes, all sitting
> on the same clutch, and on each other. At first I
> thought there were
> two but there was another one buried underneath. I
> sorted it out (I
> think), they grumbled very loudly but I told them it
> wasn't my fault
> and it wasn't their fault either it was ExxonMobil's
> fault. They all
> slept in a huddle when they were little, so now they
> want to hatch
> eggs in a huddle too. Maybe the bit of instinct that
> says "one nest
> one hen" will only wake up next week.
>
> Oh well. I guess they'll sort it out. With a bit of
> luck we'll have
> lots of little balls of fluff rushing about the
> place with their
> mums. If you just get day-old chicks like we did
> last year then you
> have to be their mum, no thanks, had enough of that.
> They do a much
> better job themselves anyway.
>
> All best
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> >--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >[snip]
> > > They get a thumbs-down in these two posts:
> > >
> > >
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69025.html
> > > [Biofuel] Carbon Offsets Challenged
> > >
> > >
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69062.html
> > > [Biofuel] The Carbon Neutral Myth - Offset
> > > Indulgences for your Climate
> > >
> > > I like your website. General joie de livre eh?
> Can't
> > > be too much of
> > > that can there? You're not thinking of doing a
> bit
> > > of catering in our
> > > neighbourhood are you? I mean you even have a
> > > civilised way of
> > > spelling "nei
Re: [Biofuel] kind of interesting
Hi Jesse
>Thanks Keith,
>and I loved reading about your birds! No flirting,
>just the fanning of feathers.
>-J
:-)
I've had a day fraught with birds, especially broody females getting
bad-tempered with everyone else because they think it gives them the
moral high ground. Marilyn the duck came out of her nest-box where
she's sitting on 11 eggs, had an enormous shit, had a large meal,
attacked poor Lucy and Spot and beat them up, snarled at the others,
and went back to her eggs, making weird squeaking noises. She's a
sweetie, is Marilyn, when she's sane, which she's always been up to
now. The two big drakes stood off all the while and huffed a lot,
left the womenfolk to it, very wise. Anyway Lucy and Spot weren't
exactly beaten up, Muscovies are built like those special rubber
balls that bounce 10 times higher, it's hard to make an impression.
The geese, though, are being sweet and reasonable about it all, for
once. Well, they're always extremely sweet, unless you happen to be
not a goose (we're sort of honorary geese), but they're not always
reasonable. They argue about everything, they're terrible busybodies.
They untied all the knots holding up the pasture fence netting, we
had to retie everything with strong plastic cord. They didn't want to
get out, they just really enjoy untying knots. They're really good at
it. Very hi-tech gear, those beaks of theirs.
Anyway there are two nests of eggs in their hutch, lots of eggs,
probably a communal effort rather than two separate nests for two
geese. Very tight-knit are the geese. Very sexually liberated too,
they're not rapists like cocks and drakes, it's much more like making
love. It also gets to be a communal effort, I saw five them in a
tangle the other day, I couldn't tell who was doing what to whom.
They sure seemed to be enjoying it, with the other two standing by
providing a torrent of advice and encouragement. Suppose they'd
already had their turn. These teenagers of today, tut-tut. ("Tut-tut"
is Otjiwarongan for "Wish I'd had it so good in my day".)
All first-timers so far, these new mums-to-be, and quite a lot of
chaos with it, probably not helped by the fact that spring came two
months early, triggering some things but not yet others. I found
three of the Thai chickens in one of the nesting boxes, all sitting
on the same clutch, and on each other. At first I thought there were
two but there was another one buried underneath. I sorted it out (I
think), they grumbled very loudly but I told them it wasn't my fault
and it wasn't their fault either it was ExxonMobil's fault. They all
slept in a huddle when they were little, so now they want to hatch
eggs in a huddle too. Maybe the bit of instinct that says "one nest
one hen" will only wake up next week.
Oh well. I guess they'll sort it out. With a bit of luck we'll have
lots of little balls of fluff rushing about the place with their
mums. If you just get day-old chicks like we did last year then you
have to be their mum, no thanks, had enough of that. They do a much
better job themselves anyway.
All best
Keith
>--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[snip]
> > They get a thumbs-down in these two posts:
> >
> >
>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69025.html
> > [Biofuel] Carbon Offsets Challenged
> >
> >
>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69062.html
> > [Biofuel] The Carbon Neutral Myth - Offset
> > Indulgences for your Climate
> >
> > I like your website. General joie de livre eh? Can't
> > be too much of
> > that can there? You're not thinking of doing a bit
> > of catering in our
> > neighbourhood are you? I mean you even have a
> > civilised way of
> > spelling "neighbourhood".
> >
> > Now don't you go accusing me of flirting with you
> > Jesse, I never
> > flirt with anyone except Midori, and anyway even if
> > you're old enough
> > to be Darryl's mother I'm sure you're not old enough
> > to be my mother
> > and if you are you're smart enough not to admit it.
> > :-)
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Keith
>
>
>
>Jesse Frayne
>itsdinner.ca
>Neighbourhood catering and general joie de livre
>
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Re: [Biofuel] kind of interesting
Thanks Keith, and I loved reading about your birds! No flirting, just the fanning of feathers. -J --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > They get a thumbs-down in these two posts: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69025.html > [Biofuel] Carbon Offsets Challenged > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69062.html > [Biofuel] The Carbon Neutral Myth - Offset > Indulgences for your Climate > > I like your website. General joie de livre eh? Can't > be too much of > that can there? You're not thinking of doing a bit > of catering in our > neighbourhood are you? I mean you even have a > civilised way of > spelling "neighbourhood". > > Now don't you go accusing me of flirting with you > Jesse, I never > flirt with anyone except Midori, and anyway even if > you're old enough > to be Darryl's mother I'm sure you're not old enough > to be my mother > and if you are you're smart enough not to admit it. > :-) > > Regards > > Keith Jesse Frayne itsdinner.ca Neighbourhood catering and general joie de livre __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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>My husband's union is looking into this. Anyone dealt >with them? > >http://www.carbonneutral.com//pages/whyweareinbusiness.asp > >Jesse Frayne >itsdinner.ca >Neighbourhood catering and general joie de livre They get a thumbs-down in these two posts: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69025.html [Biofuel] Carbon Offsets Challenged http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69062.html [Biofuel] The Carbon Neutral Myth - Offset Indulgences for your Climate I like your website. General joie de livre eh? Can't be too much of that can there? You're not thinking of doing a bit of catering in our neighbourhood are you? I mean you even have a civilised way of spelling "neighbourhood". Now don't you go accusing me of flirting with you Jesse, I never flirt with anyone except Midori, and anyway even if you're old enough to be Darryl's mother I'm sure you're not old enough to be my mother and if you are you're smart enough not to admit it. :-) Regards Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] kind of interesting
My husband's union is looking into this. Anyone dealt with them? http://www.carbonneutral.com//pages/whyweareinbusiness.asp Jesse Frayne itsdinner.ca Neighbourhood catering and general joie de livre __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Kind of... interesting?
DHAJOGLO wrote: > So I get this cyptic email from a collegue stating the Armada he had > been waiting for has finally arived. So he proceeds to describe how > he went to the Armada down at the river and had a tour of the raft, > brought them some cookies, chocolate, and rope and was impressed. > Needless to say, I was just about as confused as you should be about > now: > > The story: A group of people (many would say crazy) put together a > raft to float down the Mississippi. Truly, any description I give > cannot do justice to their own. Check it out here: > http://www.missrockaway.org/wordpress/ > > the blog is the best place to start. > > And now that I have your (in)attention... here is the relevant part. > The engineering of the raft was actually planned out and motors they > crafted use VW Rabbit diesels that run on WVO: > > http://www.missrockaway.org/wordpress/?page_id=39 > > Considering all the depressing news, this should provide a small > break from the toil and torment. > > -dave > Glad to hear they're under way. I think I might have had some influence on the choice of the Rabbit diesel engines. Jeff Stark wrote me about electric propulsion in early June, but I couldn't come up with a viable, low budget e-drive solution for them long distance in a matter of days. That's when I suggested the VW diesels and biodiesel. Some days you just do what you can and hope for the best. Looks like they're having fun. -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Kind of... interesting?
ill have to keep an eye on these guys, they should be traipsing through my hometown in a few weeks...it ought to be interesting. On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 14:13 -0500, DHAJOGLO wrote: > So I get this cyptic email from a collegue stating the Armada he had been > waiting for has finally arived. So he proceeds to describe how he went to > the Armada down at the river and had a tour of the raft, brought them some > cookies, chocolate, and rope and was impressed. Needless to say, I was just > about as confused as you should be about now: > > The story: A group of people (many would say crazy) put together a raft to > float down the Mississippi. Truly, any description I give cannot do justice > to their own. Check it out here: http://www.missrockaway.org/wordpress/ > > the blog is the best place to start. > > And now that I have your (in)attention... here is the relevant part. The > engineering of the raft was actually planned out and motors they crafted use > VW Rabbit diesels that run on WVO: > > http://www.missrockaway.org/wordpress/?page_id=39 > > Considering all the depressing news, this should provide a small break from > the toil and torment. > > -dave > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Kind of... interesting?
So I get this cyptic email from a collegue stating the Armada he had been waiting for has finally arived. So he proceeds to describe how he went to the Armada down at the river and had a tour of the raft, brought them some cookies, chocolate, and rope and was impressed. Needless to say, I was just about as confused as you should be about now: The story: A group of people (many would say crazy) put together a raft to float down the Mississippi. Truly, any description I give cannot do justice to their own. Check it out here: http://www.missrockaway.org/wordpress/ the blog is the best place to start. And now that I have your (in)attention... here is the relevant part. The engineering of the raft was actually planned out and motors they crafted use VW Rabbit diesels that run on WVO: http://www.missrockaway.org/wordpress/?page_id=39 Considering all the depressing news, this should provide a small break from the toil and torment. -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
