Re: [Biofuel] Lye and Methanol in Ottawa (was no subject)
Anhydrous methanol is available from monarch oils in Kitchener at $27.45 for 5 gal pail and $59.50 for 45 Gal drum. KOH available from Alphachem in Mississauga 2kg - $27.45 10 kg - $190.50 50 kg - $725.00 You need a hazardous materials transport license to transport more than 2kg and they ask for it. But they will deliver to your door for about 30 bucks. Joe Vincent zadworny wrote: hey ray, i produce bio diesel here in vancouver and have found a few different places that sell methanol and lye. a company called UNIVAR supplies both products out here for the larger amounts but when i was first starting i didn't need a 55 gallon drum and a 1kg bag so i found a smaller place called Xenex and they sold 2 litre quantities. but have a look in the yellow pages under chemicals here there is about half a page of listings vince z Darryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Ray, Jesse and all. Yes, Jesse, busy is a good word for it just now. OK Ray, by MeOH, you mean methanol right? (CH4OH). There are indeed race tracks in the Ottawa area. The Ottodrome International Speedway (Stittsville) and Luskville Dragway come to mind. I have no idea if they run methanol at either, but you can call them up and see where you get. (As an avid electric vehicle guy, I don't hang out with those folks much.) I'm assuming you are looking for small quantities (10s, not 1000s of litres). For methanol, go to Canadian Tire, in the paint section. Find their paint thinner, called methyl hydrate. Same thing as methanol. Comes in 4 litre containers, about Cdn$8 each, IIRC. So, $40 for 20L. For Lye (NaOH), try a Home Hardware store. They sell a container about 3 kg, with resealable lid. Don't recall the price, but not prohibitive. Forget Fisher Scientific, they don't want to deal with folks like us (e.g. minimum charge of $200 per order, before shipping and taxes). If you are looking for larger quantities, let me know. I did some research a while ago. Distributors are looking to deliver multiple (e.g. 10 or more) 200 L barrels of methanol as a shipment. I think lye was in the order of 1000 kg for an order from distributor. In between those, try a company like W.O. Stinson fuels for the methanol, and soap-makers suppliers for the lye. Darryl McMahon > Hi Ray, > No answers? don't despair. Our dear Darryl must be busy. He's up near > you. The lye is not expensive, a Cdn Tire thing, and he told me last year > where to get methanol. Erg, I'm looking for it in the old letters. > Jesse > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:50:48 -0400 > > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > Subject: [Biofuel] (no subject) > > > > Hello to my fellow brewers from Ontario, Canada: > > > > I just tried pricing MeOH and NaOH from Fisher Scientific (via > > Good Health and Safety in Mississauga). MeOH @ $79CAD for 20L > > and NaOH @ $267CAD for 5kg both before tax and shipping. That > > won't do! There must be cheaper sources. I'm near Ottawa. > > How do you make it economically viable? Diesel is running at > > about $0.90CAD per litre right now, but at these prices I can > > only hope to break even. > > > > Ray > > > > -- > > Ray or Shiraz Ings > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 1-613-253-1311 > > Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lye and Methanol in Ottawa (was no subject)
hey ray, i produce bio diesel here in vancouver and have found a few different places that sell methanol and lye. a company called UNIVAR supplies both products out here for the larger amounts but when i was first starting i didn't need a 55 gallon drum and a 1kg bag so i found a smaller place called Xenex and they sold 2 litre quantities. but have a look in the yellow pages under chemicals here there is about half a page of listings vince z Darryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Ray, Jesse and all.Yes, Jesse, busy is a good word for it just now. OK Ray, by MeOH, you mean methanol right? (CH4OH).There are indeed race tracks in the Ottawa area. The Ottodrome International Speedway (Stittsville) and Luskville Dragway come to mind. I have no idea if they run methanol at either, but you can call them up and see where you get. (As an avid electric vehicle guy, I don't hang out with those folks much.)I'm assuming you are looking for small quantities (10s, not 1000s of litres).For methanol, go to Canadian Tire, in the paint section. Find their paint thinner, called methyl hydrate. Same thing as methanol. Comes in 4 litre containers, about Cdn$8 each, IIRC. So, $40 for 20L.For Lye (NaOH), try a Home Hardware store. They sell a container about 3 kg, with resealable lid. Don't recall the price, but not prohibitive.Forget Fisher Scientific, they don't want to deal with folks like us (e.g. minimum charge of $200 per order, before shipping and taxes).If you are looking for larger quantities, let me know. I did some research a while ago. Distributors are looking to deliver multiple (e.g. 10 or more) 200 L barrels of methanol as a shipment. I think lye was in the order of 1000 kg for an order from distributor. In between those, try a company like W.O. Stinson fuels for the methanol, and soap-makers suppliers for the lye.Darryl McMahon> Hi Ray,> No answers? don't despair. Our dear Darryl must be busy. He's up near> you. The lye is not expensive, a Cdn Tire thing, and he told me last year> where to get methanol. Erg, I'm looking for it in the old letters.> Jesse> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:50:48 -0400> > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > Subject: [Biofuel] (no subject)> > > > Hello to my fellow brewers from Ontario, Canada:> > > > I just tried pricing MeOH and NaOH from Fisher Scientific (via> > Good Health and Safety in Mississauga). MeOH @ $79CAD for 20L> > and NaOH @ $267CAD for 5kg both before tax and shipping. That> > won't do! There must be cheaper sources. I'm near Ottawa.> > How do you make it economically viable? Diesel is running at> > about $0.90CAD per litre right now, but at these prices I can> > only hope to break even.> > > > Ray> > > > -- > > Ray or Shiraz Ings> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 1-613-253-1311> > Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/> > -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Lye and Methanol in Ottawa (was no subject)
Hello Ray, Jesse and all. Yes, Jesse, busy is a good word for it just now. OK Ray, by MeOH, you mean methanol right? (CH4OH). There are indeed race tracks in the Ottawa area. The Ottodrome International Speedway (Stittsville) and Luskville Dragway come to mind. I have no idea if they run methanol at either, but you can call them up and see where you get. (As an avid electric vehicle guy, I don't hang out with those folks much.) I'm assuming you are looking for small quantities (10s, not 1000s of litres). For methanol, go to Canadian Tire, in the paint section. Find their paint thinner, called methyl hydrate. Same thing as methanol. Comes in 4 litre containers, about Cdn$8 each, IIRC. So, $40 for 20L. For Lye (NaOH), try a Home Hardware store. They sell a container about 3 kg, with resealable lid. Don't recall the price, but not prohibitive. Forget Fisher Scientific, they don't want to deal with folks like us (e.g. minimum charge of $200 per order, before shipping and taxes). If you are looking for larger quantities, let me know. I did some research a while ago. Distributors are looking to deliver multiple (e.g. 10 or more) 200 L barrels of methanol as a shipment. I think lye was in the order of 1000 kg for an order from distributor. In between those, try a company like W.O. Stinson fuels for the methanol, and soap-makers suppliers for the lye. Darryl McMahon > Hi Ray, > No answers? don't despair. Our dear Darryl must be busy. He's up near > you. The lye is not expensive, a Cdn Tire thing, and he told me last year > where to get methanol. Erg, I'm looking for it in the old letters. > Jesse > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:50:48 -0400 > > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > Subject: [Biofuel] (no subject) > > > > Hello to my fellow brewers from Ontario, Canada: > > > > I just tried pricing MeOH and NaOH from Fisher Scientific (via > > Good Health and Safety in Mississauga). MeOH @ $79CAD for 20L > > and NaOH @ $267CAD for 5kg both before tax and shipping. That > > won't do! There must be cheaper sources. I'm near Ottawa. > > How do you make it economically viable? Diesel is running at > > about $0.90CAD per litre right now, but at these prices I can > > only hope to break even. > > > > Ray > > > > -- > > Ray or Shiraz Ings > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 1-613-253-1311 > > Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
