Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection?
So make 5 gallon batches and then put it in your tank. Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hmmm. Remind me never to come to your town, as my truck has an 18.5 gallon fuel tank filled with biodiesel/diesel. If I parked in your driveway, It'd be illegal. On 12/1/05, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, Do people heat with fuel oil where you are? If so, that's not Biodiesel being stored, it's fuel oil. They have got to allow tanks of that. (Assuming people heat with oil where you are.) Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection? In an obscure way, I am all ready there. A neighbor up the street let me know about a month ago that if he ever suspects that I am making BioDiesel, he will make sure that one way or another will I end up in court ( legal or civil ). I'm not totaly sure of what the issue is, but, near as I can tell, he is one of those No one should do it but the professionals type of people, and he works for the city utilities ( I have found that he is the one of the people involved in buying the electricity for the city, so the fact that I want to use the BioDiesel to generate my own electricity is probably some concern to him ). It appears that the city has an obscure law about how much fuel ( and by what type) that can be stored on the premises of a residence, and only 5 gal of diesel ( of any type ) may be on hand at any time ( although 30 gal of kero may be stored ) in approved DOT above ground containers.To simplify things for inspectors, anything not approved by the law, is illegal. I'm still trying to figure out the ins and out's of this law, and so I'm just taking my time. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 13:40 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection? Hi Keith, You're probably right. I just have the fear that someone will kill/blind/maim themselves making BD and it'll be seized on by the forces of darkness. If training were available, or we could setp an serious non-profit (that is NOT the National Biodiesel Board) and do training, like The Motorcycle Safety Institute does, it would be a real service. I have toyed with the idea of a non-profit geared to and supported by the home-brew and smaller brew gang, to keep and an eye on legislation, provide the truth to the media and Congress and other Goverments, and to lobby to counter the anit-BD and biofuels people. This group could also provide training courses and certify trainers. Maybe to outreach to farmers and fleet drivers. I don't get the feeling the NBB is our friend. In no way do I mean to challenge your knowledge and instincts; you have far more experience and standing than I do. I guess I'm a Nervous Nellie sometimes. I am always careful to tell newbies coming by to learn what I do and why. Then I make a small batch with SVO, so it works, then move on from there. As for my safety when brewing, I do what I'm comfortable with. I spent years as a mechanic and have a bit of clue as to what to wear and when. That said, have I whipped up a small batch without gloves? Yup. I don't brew inside anymore, though. I finally built a shed for that, with good ventilation. Your JTF pages are good. I wouldn't add much. I have a punch list I give to people but you pretty much cover everything. Thanks, Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection?
1. Where do you live? In most places you can download county regs and read them. *Do this.* 2. Go to the code enforcement office, or county clerk or whatever. Make friends. Be charming. Find out what the truth is. 3. Find out who would actually deal with this situation. Get to know him/her. If he/she is reasonable, talk it over and see what happens. 4. My neighbors call the county on me pretty much every week. But, I read ALL the regs, I've made a point of knowing who is in charge and being very polite and respectful, and I have the code and documentation right there. So far no problem.5. 5. I can't over-estimate the part about being polite and respectful. It makes the other person look like a crank. -good luck, Mike Greg and April wrote: In an obscure way, I am all ready there. A neighbor up the street let me know about a month ago that if he ever suspects that I am making BioDiesel, he will make sure that one way or another will I end up in court ( legal or civil ). I'm not totaly sure of what the issue is, but, near as I can tell, he is one of those No one should do it but the professionals type of people, and he works for the city utilities ( I have found that he is the one of the people involved in buying the electricity for the city, so the fact that I want to use the BioDiesel to generate my own electricity is probably some concern to him ). It appears that the city has an obscure law about how much fuel ( and by what type) that can be stored on the premises of a residence, and only 5 gal of diesel ( of any type ) may be on hand at any time ( although 30 gal of kero may be stored ) in approved DOT above ground containers.To simplify things for inspectors, anything not approved by the law, is illegal. I'm still trying to figure out the ins and out's of this law, and so I'm just taking my time. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 13:40 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection? Hi Keith, You're probably right. I just have the fear that someone will kill/blind/maim themselves making BD and it'll be seized on by the forces of darkness. If training were available, or we could setp an serious non-profit (that is NOT the National Biodiesel Board) and do training, like The Motorcycle Safety Institute does, it would be a real service. I have toyed with the idea of a non-profit geared to and supported by the home-brew and smaller brew gang, to keep and an eye on legislation, provide the truth to the media and Congress and other Goverments, and to lobby to counter the anit-BD and biofuels people. This group could also provide training courses and certify trainers. Maybe to outreach to farmers and fleet drivers. I don't get the feeling the NBB is our friend. In no way do I mean to challenge your knowledge and instincts; you have far more experience and standing than I do. I guess I'm a Nervous Nellie sometimes. I am always careful to tell newbies coming by to learn what I do and why. Then I make a small batch with SVO, so it works, then move on from there. As for my safety when brewing, I do what I'm comfortable with. I spent years as a mechanic and have a bit of clue as to what to wear and when. That said, have I whipped up a small batch without gloves? Yup. I don't brew inside anymore, though. I finally built a shed for that, with good ventilation. Your JTF pages are good. I wouldn't add much. I have a punch list I give to people but you pretty much cover everything. Thanks, Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection?
In an obscure way, I am all ready there. A neighbor up the street let me know about a month ago that if he ever suspects that I am making BioDiesel, he will make sure that one way or another will I end up in court ( legal or civil ). I'm not totaly sure of what the issue is, but, near as I can tell, he is one of those No one should do it but the professionals type of people, and he works for the city utilities ( I have found that he is the one of the people involved in buying the electricity for the city, so the fact that I want to use the BioDiesel to generate my own electricity is probably some concern to him ). It appears that the city has an obscure law about how much fuel ( and by what type) that can be stored on the premises of a residence, and only 5 gal of diesel ( of any type ) may be on hand at any time ( although 30 gal of kero may be stored ) in approved DOT above ground containers.To simplify things for inspectors, anything not approved by the law, is illegal. I'm still trying to figure out the ins and out's of this law, and so I'm just taking my time. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 13:40 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection? Hi Keith, You're probably right. I just have the fear that someone will kill/blind/maim themselves making BD and it'll be seized on by the forces of darkness. If training were available, or we could setp an serious non-profit (that is NOT the National Biodiesel Board) and do training, like The Motorcycle Safety Institute does, it would be a real service. I have toyed with the idea of a non-profit geared to and supported by the home-brew and smaller brew gang, to keep and an eye on legislation, provide the truth to the media and Congress and other Goverments, and to lobby to counter the anit-BD and biofuels people. This group could also provide training courses and certify trainers. Maybe to outreach to farmers and fleet drivers. I don't get the feeling the NBB is our friend. In no way do I mean to challenge your knowledge and instincts; you have far more experience and standing than I do. I guess I'm a Nervous Nellie sometimes. I am always careful to tell newbies coming by to learn what I do and why. Then I make a small batch with SVO, so it works, then move on from there. As for my safety when brewing, I do what I'm comfortable with. I spent years as a mechanic and have a bit of clue as to what to wear and when. That said, have I whipped up a small batch without gloves? Yup. I don't brew inside anymore, though. I finally built a shed for that, with good ventilation. Your JTF pages are good. I wouldn't add much. I have a punch list I give to people but you pretty much cover everything. Thanks, Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection?
Greg, Do people heat with fuel oil where you are? If so, that's not Biodiesel being stored, it's fuel oil. They have got to allow tanks of that. (Assuming people heat with oil where you are.) Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection? In an obscure way, I am all ready there. A neighbor up the street let me know about a month ago that if he ever suspects that I am making BioDiesel, he will make sure that one way or another will I end up in court ( legal or civil ). I'm not totaly sure of what the issue is, but, near as I can tell, he is one of those No one should do it but the professionals type of people, and he works for the city utilities ( I have found that he is the one of the people involved in buying the electricity for the city, so the fact that I want to use the BioDiesel to generate my own electricity is probably some concern to him ). It appears that the city has an obscure law about how much fuel ( and by what type) that can be stored on the premises of a residence, and only 5 gal of diesel ( of any type ) may be on hand at any time ( although 30 gal of kero may be stored ) in approved DOT above ground containers.To simplify things for inspectors, anything not approved by the law, is illegal. I'm still trying to figure out the ins and out's of this law, and so I'm just taking my time. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 13:40 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection? Hi Keith, You're probably right. I just have the fear that someone will kill/blind/maim themselves making BD and it'll be seized on by the forces of darkness. If training were available, or we could setp an serious non-profit (that is NOT the National Biodiesel Board) and do training, like The Motorcycle Safety Institute does, it would be a real service. I have toyed with the idea of a non-profit geared to and supported by the home-brew and smaller brew gang, to keep and an eye on legislation, provide the truth to the media and Congress and other Goverments, and to lobby to counter the anit-BD and biofuels people. This group could also provide training courses and certify trainers. Maybe to outreach to farmers and fleet drivers. I don't get the feeling the NBB is our friend. In no way do I mean to challenge your knowledge and instincts; you have far more experience and standing than I do. I guess I'm a Nervous Nellie sometimes. I am always careful to tell newbies coming by to learn what I do and why. Then I make a small batch with SVO, so it works, then move on from there. As for my safety when brewing, I do what I'm comfortable with. I spent years as a mechanic and have a bit of clue as to what to wear and when. That said, have I whipped up a small batch without gloves? Yup. I don't brew inside anymore, though. I finally built a shed for that, with good ventilation. Your JTF pages are good. I wouldn't add much. I have a punch list I give to people but you pretty much cover everything. Thanks, Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection?
it's only biodiesel if you call it biodiesel. i would call it a biodegradable degreaser, cooking oil,cleaning fluid ,or yellow stuff. In an obscure way, I am all ready there. A neighbor up the street let me know about a month ago that if he ever suspects that I am making BioDiesel, he will make sure that one way or another will I end up in court ( legal or civil ). I'm not totaly sure of what the issue is, but, near as I can tell, he is one of those No one should do it but the professionals type of people, and he works for the city utilities ( I have found that he is the one of the people involved in buying the electricity for the city, so the fact that I want to use the BioDiesel to generate my own electricity is probably some concern to him ). It appears that the city has an obscure law about how much fuel ( and by what type) that can be stored on the premises of a residence, and only 5 gal of diesel ( of any type ) may be on hand at any time ( although 30 gal of kero may be stored ) in approved DOT above ground containers.To simplify things for inspectors, anything not approved by the law, is illegal. I'm still trying to figure out the ins and out's of this law, and so I'm just taking my time. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 13:40 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection? Hi Keith, You're probably right. I just have the fear that someone will kill/blind/maim themselves making BD and it'll be seized on by the forces of darkness. If training were available, or we could setp an serious non-profit (that is NOT the National Biodiesel Board) and do training, like The Motorcycle Safety Institute does, it would be a real service. I have toyed with the idea of a non-profit geared to and supported by the home-brew and smaller brew gang, to keep and an eye on legislation, provide the truth to the media and Congress and other Goverments, and to lobby to counter the anit-BD and biofuels people. This group could also provide training courses and certify trainers. Maybe to outreach to farmers and fleet drivers. I don't get the feeling the NBB is our friend. In no way do I mean to challenge your knowledge and instincts; you have far more experience and standing than I do. I guess I'm a Nervous Nellie sometimes. I am always careful to tell newbies coming by to learn what I do and why. Then I make a small batch with SVO, so it works, then move on from there. As for my safety when brewing, I do what I'm comfortable with. I spent years as a mechanic and have a bit of clue as to what to wear and when. That said, have I whipped up a small batch without gloves? Yup. I don't brew inside anymore, though. I finally built a shed for that, with good ventilation. Your JTF pages are good. I wouldn't add much. I have a punch list I give to people but you pretty much cover everything. Thanks, Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection?
Hmmm. Remind me never to come to your town, as my truck has an 18.5 gallon fuel tank filled with biodiesel/diesel. If I parked in your driveway, It'd be illegal. On 12/1/05, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, Do people heat with fuel oil where you are? If so, that's not Biodiesel being stored, it's fuel oil. They have got to allow tanks of that. (Assuming people heat with oil where you are.) Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection? In an obscure way, I am all ready there. A neighbor up the street let me know about a month ago that if he ever suspects that I am making BioDiesel, he will make sure that one way or another will I end up in court ( legal or civil ). I'm not totaly sure of what the issue is, but, near as I can tell, he is one of those No one should do it but the professionals type of people, and he works for the city utilities ( I have found that he is the one of the people involved in buying the electricity for the city, so the fact that I want to use the BioDiesel to generate my own electricity is probably some concern to him ). It appears that the city has an obscure law about how much fuel ( and by what type) that can be stored on the premises of a residence, and only 5 gal of diesel ( of any type ) may be on hand at any time ( although 30 gal of kero may be stored ) in approved DOT above ground containers.To simplify things for inspectors, anything not approved by the law, is illegal. I'm still trying to figure out the ins and out's of this law, and so I'm just taking my time. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 13:40 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection? Hi Keith, You're probably right. I just have the fear that someone will kill/blind/maim themselves making BD and it'll be seized on by the forces of darkness. If training were available, or we could setp an serious non-profit (that is NOT the National Biodiesel Board) and do training, like The Motorcycle Safety Institute does, it would be a real service. I have toyed with the idea of a non-profit geared to and supported by the home-brew and smaller brew gang, to keep and an eye on legislation, provide the truth to the media and Congress and other Goverments, and to lobby to counter the anit-BD and biofuels people. This group could also provide training courses and certify trainers. Maybe to outreach to farmers and fleet drivers. I don't get the feeling the NBB is our friend. In no way do I mean to challenge your knowledge and instincts; you have far more experience and standing than I do. I guess I'm a Nervous Nellie sometimes. I am always careful to tell newbies coming by to learn what I do and why. Then I make a small batch with SVO, so it works, then move on from there. As for my safety when brewing, I do what I'm comfortable with. I spent years as a mechanic and have a bit of clue as to what to wear and when. That said, have I whipped up a small batch without gloves? Yup. I don't brew inside anymore, though. I finally built a shed for that, with good ventilation. Your JTF pages are good. I wouldn't add much. I have a punch list I give to people but you pretty much cover everything. Thanks, Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection?
Hey Greg, Can't you put your biodiesel in a furnace tank and call it home heating oil? That should get around that arcane law. Too bad about your neighbour, tho'... Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
