Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[KinsleyForPrez08]

Are you implying that the boogie man doesn't exist either?!?!?!?
How can this be?  I know I saw him in my closet last night, at least I stay 
awake imagining that he was in my closet, ready to pounce the moment I 
closed my eyes

- Original Message - 
From: "bob allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Dear Bob Allen was Re: There'sno proof of global 
warming


> so I'm a skeptic.  you can believe in the boogie man if you wish.  And a 
> comment for future
> reference. I find it mildly disconcerting the you plant my name in the 
> subject line. I know that I
> am trying to talk about chemtrails and your trying to talk about me, but 
> let's please keep the
> discourse civil and at the very least keep the personalities out of the 
> subject line. I get enough
> spam as it is thank you.
>
>
> Appal Energy wrote:
>> Nice song and dance Bob,
>>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[Keith Addison]

>IMHO, the difference in the pictures are a good evidence of cause of 
>the warming.  But also, I don't think that a natural cycle would 
>account for this.  Even over 100 years.  Good old Mother Earth takes 
>thousands of years to go through these cycles and this one is 
>happening a little too fast.
>
>Again, my 2cents.
>
>John

The insurance industry needs no convincing.

http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 
5-September/004569.html
Or:
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[Biofuel] New Report Warns of Rising Threat to U.S. Insurers due to 
Climate Change

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg30888.html
[biofuel] Re-insurer counts cost of global warming

"An estimated 12,000 weather-related disasters since 1980 have caused 
618,200 fatalities and resulted in economic losses of $1.3 trillion. 
In the 1980s, the average annual economic loss from weather-related 
disasters was $26 billion. In 2004, that number rose to $104 billion, 
and in 2005, Hurricane Katrina alone is expected to cost $100-200 
billion in economic losses." (Worldwatch)

Best

Keith


>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry Eyers
>Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:00 PM
>To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
>
>Hmm... I can't reach them today either.  Just go to any nasa sight, 
>and search for apollo pictures of the earth, then search for space 
>shuttle pictures of the earth.
>
>
>Jerry
>
>---Original Message---
>
>From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>des
>Date: 09/22/05 10:51:36
>To: <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
>
>I'm still trying to get to the sites listed in this post.  is everyone
>else able to get to them?  Just trying to go to 
><http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/>http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/
>times out.
>
>doug swanson
>
>
>
>Jerry Eyers wrote:
> >  > What did the photos show?
> >
> > In the late 1960's, it was a beautiful blue sphere,
> > clear atmoshpere, very nice.
> >
> > Now, there is a smokey white smudge over everything.
> > There is no nice, clean, blue ball anymore, just
> > a smokey, murkey haze all the time.
> >
> > Compare this picture (apollo 7 docking with satellite):
> > 
><http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&se 
>lections=AS7&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=20&pageno=1&photoId=AS07-03-153 
>1>http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&s 
>elections=AS7&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=20&pageno=1&photoId=AS07-03-15 
>31
> > 
><<http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&s 
>elections=AS7&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=20&pageno=1&photoId=AS07-03-15 
>31>http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&; 
>selections=AS7&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=20&pageno=1&photoId=AS07-03-1 
>531>
> >
> > With this picture (space shuttle docking with satellite):
> > 
><http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&se 
>lections=STS77&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=10&pageno=3&photoId=s77e5069> 
>http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&sel 
>ections=STS77&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=10&pageno=3&photoId=s77e5069
> > 
><<http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&s 
>elections=STS77&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=10&pageno=3&photoId=s77e5069 
> >http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&se 
>lections=STS77&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=10&pageno=3&photoId=s77e5069>
> >
> > And look at the earth in the background.
> >
> > Jerry


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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[John Mullan]

IMHO, the difference in the pictures are a 
good evidence of cause of the warming.  But also, I don't think that a 
natural cycle would account for this.  Even over 100 years.  Good old 
Mother Earth takes thousands of years to go through these cycles and this one is 
happening a little too fast.
 
Again, my 2cents.
 
John
 

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jerry 
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  of global warming
  

  
Hmm... I can't reach them today 
either.  Just go to any nasa sight, and search for apollo pictures 
of the earth, then search for space shuttle pictures of the earth.
 
 
Jerry
 
---Original Message---
 

From: des
Date: 09/22/05 
10:51:36
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: 
    [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
 
I'm still trying to get to the sites listed in this 
post.  is everyone
else able to get to them?  Just trying to go to http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/
times out.
 
doug swanson
 
 
 
Jerry Eyers wrote:
>  > What did the photos show?
>
> In the late 1960's, it was a beautiful blue sphere,
> clear atmoshpere, very nice.
>
> Now, there is a smokey white smudge over everything.
> There is no nice, clean, blue ball anymore, just
> a smokey, murkey haze all the time.
>
> Compare this picture (apollo 7 docking with satellite):
> http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&selections=AS7&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=20&pageno=1&photoId=AS07-03-1531
> <http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&selections=AS7&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=20&pageno=1&photoId=AS07-03-1531>
>
> With this picture (space shuttle docking with 
satellite):
> http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&selections=STS77&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=10&pageno=3&photoId=s77e5069
> <http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&selections=STS77&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=10&pageno=3&photoId=s77e5069>
>
> And look at the earth in the background.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
> 

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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[Jerry Eyers]

Hmm... I can't reach them today either.  Just go to any nasa sight, and search for apollo pictures of the earth, then search for space shuttle pictures of the earth.
 
 
Jerry
 
---Original Message---
 

From: des
Date: 09/22/05 10:51:36
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
 
I'm still trying to get to the sites listed in this post.  is everyone
else able to get to them?  Just trying to go to http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/
times out.
 
doug swanson
 
 
 
Jerry Eyers wrote:
>  > What did the photos show?
>
> In the late 1960's, it was a beautiful blue sphere,
> clear atmoshpere, very nice.
>
> Now, there is a smokey white smudge over everything.
> There is no nice, clean, blue ball anymore, just
> a smokey, murkey haze all the time.
>
> Compare this picture (apollo 7 docking with satellite):
> http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&selections=AS7&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=20&pageno=1&photoId=AS07-03-1531
> <http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&selections=AS7&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=20&pageno=1&photoId=AS07-03-1531>
>
> With this picture (space shuttle docking with satellite):
> http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&selections=STS77&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=10&pageno=3&photoId=s77e5069
> <http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&selections=STS77&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=10&pageno=3&photoId=s77e5069>
>
> And look at the earth in the background.
>
> Jerry
>
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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[des]

I'm still trying to get to the sites listed in this post.  is everyone 
else able to get to them?  Just trying to go to http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/
times out.

doug swanson



Jerry Eyers wrote:
>  > What did the photos show?
>  
> In the late 1960's, it was a beautiful blue sphere,
> clear atmoshpere, very nice.
>  
> Now, there is a smokey white smudge over everything.
> There is no nice, clean, blue ball anymore, just
> a smokey, murkey haze all the time.
>  
> Compare this picture (apollo 7 docking with satellite):
> http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&selections=AS7&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=20&pageno=1&photoId=AS07-03-1531
>  
> 
>  
> With this picture (space shuttle docking with satellite):
> http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&selections=STS77&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=10&pageno=3&photoId=s77e5069
>  
> 
>  
> And look at the earth in the background.
>  
> Jerry
>   
> 
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[Terry Dyck]

A member of the International Panel on Climate Change from Victoria, BC, 
Canada was on a national radio program and he talked about the fact that he 
was asked to appear as a guest on a national American TV network (could have 
been NBC) to debate Global Warming.  The network wanted some one to take the 
other view point; that Global Warming didn't exist or wasn't caused by 
humans.  The Climate scientist said he would debate this issue with any one 
they chose as long as that person was a climate scientist and not an 
econmist.
The TV network could not find a climate scientist that would take the other 
viewpoint so the debate could not take place.

Terry Dyck


>From: Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
>Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:28:45 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Are there any physicists in the house? Isn't true that greenhouse gases 
>like CO2 are used for laser light excitation? isn't the theory behind the 
>excitation of that band of light a practical (another) example of the 
>effects of global warming?
>
>The far right preaches theories based on pure emotion. A lack of 
>understanding translates into the non-existence of that issue or idea. Even 
>if I'm wrong about the above example, there is an abundance of scientific 
>data about the physics which prove the effects of greenhouse gasses and 
>that it highlights the far right's foundation in pure emotion and (for 
>their brand of "intellectuals") convoluted metaphysical beliefs.
>
>That said, have you read Mein Kampf?
>
>Mike
>
>Tom Irwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>BODY{font:10pt Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif;}Hi All,
>
>Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical 
>storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's 
>heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36 
>hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all 
>burn more Dino since none of this is connected.
>
>Tom
>
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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[Chris lloyd]

> As far as the grey layer of crud that's built up in the atmosphere, there 
> have been airplanes whose sole
apparent purpose has been to lay that grey layer down in the atmosphere. <

Research done here in the UK estimates that 85% of high level air pollution 
is due to planes not cars or industry.   Chris.

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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[bob allen]

woo-woo alert!


Charles Tounah wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> As far as the grey layer of crud that's built up in
> the atmosphere, there have been airplanes whose sole
> apparent purpose has been to lay that grey layer down
> in the atmosphere. 

oh really?




  I have personally observed them in
> many different cities, even in different countries,
> for about the last five years.  The phenomenon is
> called chemtrails,

other than usual exhaust emissions- water vapor, CO2, and trace 
combustion products such as NOX, what is there?


  and you can find a whole education
> on the internet regarding it.   www.carnicom.com

woo-woo. woo-woo.

> (which I have not visited in years) is probably the
> most well-known.


sorry for my sarcasm, but I will save my worrying over reality, and 
leave the really paranoid speculation to others.


> 
> Charles Tounah

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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[Jerry Eyers]

> What did the photos show?
 
In the late 1960's, it was a beautiful blue sphere, 
clear atmoshpere, very nice.
 
Now, there is a smokey white smudge over everything.
There is no nice, clean, blue ball anymore, just
a smokey, murkey haze all the time.
 
Compare this picture (apollo 7 docking with satellite):
http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&selections=AS7&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=20&pageno=1&photoId=AS07-03-1531
 
With this picture (space shuttle docking with satellite):
http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true&selections=STS77&browsepage=Go&hitsperpage=10&pageno=3&photoId=s77e5069
 
And look at the earth in the background.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[Keith Addison]

>I think a strong agument to believe that there is global warming,

There's no need to *believe* that there is global warming, you don't 
have to believe in something that's happening. The hard evidence has 
been convincing for rather a long time and it's been mounting 
steadily ever since into what's become a flood - unless of course 
you've been wearing blinkers, as specified by people like these (for 
one source among thousands):



http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/05/some_like_it_hot.html

Some Like It Hot

News: Forty public policy groups have this in common: They seek to 
undermine the scientific consensus that humans are causing the earth 
to overheat. And they all get money from ExxonMobil.



Give it a read. Nothing new there though, we've been dealing with it 
at this level here for more than five years (and some of us much 
longer than that). Do a list archives search for "baliunas", for 
instance:

http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=and&format=short&c 
onfig=biofuel_sustainablelists_org&restrict=&exclude=&words=baliunas
Search results for 'baliunas'
Or:
http://snipurl.com/huc2

>(or maybe a better term to be scientific is climate change)

It's a softer term, so it's preferred by the global warming deniers. 
Nobody knows for sure how it might unfold in the longer term, but 
what's happening now and what we'll have to deal with now and in the 
immediate future and beyond is global warming, precipitated by 
over-use of fossil-fuel energy mostly by the industrialised nations.

This has been known since 1988 - sufficiently known to take remedial 
action right then, when James Hansen announced it to the US Congress, 
with the majority of scientists agreeing (now all agree except those 
who're paid not to). Two years later, when I became involved, I 
watched the US government at the highest levels putting a damper on 
it so that no binding commitments were made by governments or 
industry at the Rio Conference as had been planned.

We knew it in the early 1970s - we didn't know whether it would be 
warming or freezing but we knew well enough that the climate was 
changing because of industrialisation.

We've wasted 15 years, or 17 years, or 35 years, while the industries 
that are your government's paymasters dragged their feet, optimised 
their bottom-lines and pulled the wool over your eyes. I wonder what 
your grandchildren will have to say about that.

You said before: "So the first war is for the hearts of the people, 
then the second war (to save the plannet) can be won." The first war 
was for the *minds* of the people, and the people succumbed without a 
murmur.

 From previous:

>"Do you have faith in the institutions of your society?" You tend to 
>get one of two answers, either a pause followed by "What do you 
>mean?" or an immediate "Of course not!", and neither needs a reply, 
>it would either be futile or superfluous.

And:

>"... what I tend to think of as Churchill's critical threshold 
>level, when he mouthed that nonsense that you can fool some of the 
>people all of the time and you can fool all of the people some of 
>the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - 
>while knowing very well that there's absolutely no need to fool all 
>of them all of the time just as long as you can fool enough of them 
>enough of the time. Which all our governments succeed in doing."

'Fraid so.

>can be found by looking up global dimming

Flavour of the month.

>on the net once such find was at 
>rdian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0%2C13026%2C1108853%2C00.html>http://ge 
>ography.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.guardian.co.u 
>k/life/feature/story/0%2C13026%2C1108853%2C00.html I 
>believe as the solar energy hitting the earth is reducing by 3% per 
>recent decade (source above) and the worlds claciers are only just 
>staring to melt after 100,000 's of thousands of years then some 
>sort of cliamte change is happening.
>They can hang a man for evidence beyond reasonable doubt, I think 
>mankind should make the call and move to save the plannet, because I 
>think there is more than enough reasonable doubt.

And has been for a long time.

Best wishes

Keith


>Ian
>
>Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Actually Jerry,
>
>Just go back to photos of Earth during the airline shutdowns after
>September 11th and you'll see precisely (or rather so) what the
>contribution of the airline industry is to global polution. No need to
>go back to the Apollo years for photos, especially since emissions have
>been curbed considerably (in some regions) since then.
>
>Anything short of what happened on September 11th that throttles the
>airline industry to a permanent standstill is in the best interests of
>all living things.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>
>Jerry Eyers wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hi All,
> >>
> >>Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita wa

Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[Charles Tounah]

Hello,

As far as the grey layer of crud that's built up in
the atmosphere, there have been airplanes whose sole
apparent purpose has been to lay that grey layer down
in the atmosphere.  I have personally observed them in
many different cities, even in different countries,
for about the last five years.  The phenomenon is
called chemtrails, and you can find a whole education
on the internet regarding it.   www.carnicom.com
(which I have not visited in years) is probably the
most well-known.

Charles Tounah

--- Jerry Eyers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh
> that Rita was a tropical
> storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now
> at Catagory 2. It's
> heading west now and will probably increase in
> ferocity in the next 24-36
> hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still
> above 30C. Let's all burn
> more Dino since none of this is connected. 
> >  
> > Tom
>  
> Well, technically speaking, he is right, there is no
> "direct" evidence, only
> circumstantial evidence.  That said, however, there
> have been MANY
> convictions made on only circumstantial evidence!! 
> All you really have to
> do is get into an airplane and try flying anywhere,
> and you will see the
> smokey crudd layer that exists over everything. 
> Better yet, look at some
> space shots of the earth made by the space shuttle
> crews compaired to space
> shots made of the earth in the Apollo launches, and
> there is a BIG
> difference.
> 
> Is it effecting weather??  Some say yes, some no. 
> The current warming cycle
> (which is DEFINATELY happening) some say to be a
> normal heat cycle on a 26
> year basis (some evidence for that) and that it will
> be followed by a cold
> cycle.
> 
> There are arguments both ways, but nobody can argue
> against the murky-grey
> layer of crudd building up in the atmosphere!
> 
> Jerry
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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[Ian Hodgson]

I think a strong agument to believe that there is global warming, (or maybe a better term to be scientific is climate change) can be found by looking up global dimming on the net once such find was at http://geography.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0%2C13026%2C1108853%2C00.html I believe as the solar energy hitting the earth is reducing by 3% per recent decade (source above) and the worlds claciers are only just staring to melt after 100,000 's of thousands of years then some sort of cliamte change is happening. 
They can hang a man for evidence beyond reasonable doubt, I think mankind should make the call and move to save the plannet, because I think there is more than enough reasonable doubt.
 
IanAppal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Actually Jerry,Just go back to photos of Earth during the airline shutdowns after September 11th and you'll see precisely (or rather so) what the contribution of the airline industry is to global polution. No need to go back to the Apollo years for photos, especially since emissions have been curbed considerably (in some regions) since then.Anything short of what happened on September 11th that throttles the airline industry to a permanent standstill is in the best interests of all living things.Todd SwearingenJerry Eyers wrote:> > >>>Hi All,Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical>> >>>storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's>heading west now and will probably increase in
 ferocity in the next 24-36>hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burn>more Dino since none of this is connected. > >>> >>Tom>> >>> >Well, technically speaking, he is right, there is no "direct" evidence, only>circumstantial evidence. That said, however, there have been MANY>convictions made on only circumstantial evidence!! All you really have to>do is get into an airplane and try flying anywhere, and you will see the>smokey crudd layer that exists over everything. Better yet, look at some>space shots of the earth made by the space shuttle crews compaired to space>shots made of the earth in the Apollo launches, and there is a BIG>difference.>>Is it effecting weather?? Some say yes, some no. The current warming cycle>(which is DEFINATELY happening) some say to be a normal heat cycle on a
 26>year basis (some evidence for that) and that it will be followed by a cold>cycle.>>There are arguments both ways, but nobody can argue against the murky-grey>layer of crudd building up in the atmosphere!>>Jerry> > >>___>Biofuel mailing list>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever:>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> >___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at
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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[Randall]

What did the photos show? 

Appal Energy wrote:

>Actually Jerry,
>
>Just go back to photos of Earth during the airline shutdowns after 
>September 11th and you'll see precisely (or rather so) what the 
>contribution of the airline industry is to global polution. No need to 
>go back to the Apollo years for photos, especially since emissions have 
>been curbed considerably (in some regions) since then.
>
>Anything short of what happened on September 11th that throttles the 
>airline industry to a permanent standstill is in the best interests of 
>all living things.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>
>Jerry Eyers wrote:
>
>  
>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi All,
>>>
>>>Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's
>>heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36
>>hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burn
>>more Dino since none of this is connected. 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>Tom
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>Well, technically speaking, he is right, there is no "direct" evidence, only
>>circumstantial evidence.  That said, however, there have been MANY
>>convictions made on only circumstantial evidence!!  All you really have to
>>do is get into an airplane and try flying anywhere, and you will see the
>>smokey crudd layer that exists over everything.  Better yet, look at some
>>space shots of the earth made by the space shuttle crews compaired to space
>>shots made of the earth in the Apollo launches, and there is a BIG
>>difference.
>>
>>Is it effecting weather??  Some say yes, some no.  The current warming cycle
>>(which is DEFINATELY happening) some say to be a normal heat cycle on a 26
>>year basis (some evidence for that) and that it will be followed by a cold
>>cycle.
>>
>>There are arguments both ways, but nobody can argue against the murky-grey
>>layer of crudd building up in the atmosphere!
>>
>>Jerry
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[Appal Energy]

Actually Jerry,

Just go back to photos of Earth during the airline shutdowns after 
September 11th and you'll see precisely (or rather so) what the 
contribution of the airline industry is to global polution. No need to 
go back to the Apollo years for photos, especially since emissions have 
been curbed considerably (in some regions) since then.

Anything short of what happened on September 11th that throttles the 
airline industry to a permanent standstill is in the best interests of 
all living things.

Todd Swearingen

Jerry Eyers wrote:

> 
>  
>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical
>>
>>
>storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's
>heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36
>hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burn
>more Dino since none of this is connected. 
>  
>
>> 
>>Tom
>>
>>
> 
>Well, technically speaking, he is right, there is no "direct" evidence, only
>circumstantial evidence.  That said, however, there have been MANY
>convictions made on only circumstantial evidence!!  All you really have to
>do is get into an airplane and try flying anywhere, and you will see the
>smokey crudd layer that exists over everything.  Better yet, look at some
>space shots of the earth made by the space shuttle crews compaired to space
>shots made of the earth in the Apollo launches, and there is a BIG
>difference.
>
>Is it effecting weather??  Some say yes, some no.  The current warming cycle
>(which is DEFINATELY happening) some say to be a normal heat cycle on a 26
>year basis (some evidence for that) and that it will be followed by a cold
>cycle.
>
>There are arguments both ways, but nobody can argue against the murky-grey
>layer of crudd building up in the atmosphere!
>
>Jerry
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

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> Hi All,
> 
> Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical
storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's
heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36
hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burn
more Dino since none of this is connected. 
>  
> Tom
 
Well, technically speaking, he is right, there is no "direct" evidence, only
circumstantial evidence.  That said, however, there have been MANY
convictions made on only circumstantial evidence!!  All you really have to
do is get into an airplane and try flying anywhere, and you will see the
smokey crudd layer that exists over everything.  Better yet, look at some
space shots of the earth made by the space shuttle crews compaired to space
shots made of the earth in the Apollo launches, and there is a BIG
difference.

Is it effecting weather??  Some say yes, some no.  The current warming cycle
(which is DEFINATELY happening) some say to be a normal heat cycle on a 26
year basis (some evidence for that) and that it will be followed by a cold
cycle.

There are arguments both ways, but nobody can argue against the murky-grey
layer of crudd building up in the atmosphere!

Jerry
 
 

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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[Michael Redler]

Are there any physicists in the house? Isn't true that greenhouse gases like CO2 are used for laser light excitation? isn't the theory behind the excitation of that band of light a practical (another) example of the effects of global warming?
 
The far right preaches theories based on pure emotion. A lack of understanding translates into the non-existence of that issue or idea. Even if I'm wrong about the above example, there is an abundance of scientific data about the physics which prove the effects of greenhouse gasses and that it highlights the far right's foundation in pure emotion and (for their brand of "intellectuals") convoluted metaphysical beliefs.
 
That said, have you read Mein Kampf?
 
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Hi All,
 
Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36 hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burn more Dino since none of this is connected. 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[Zeke Yewdall]

Limbaugh and ilk have for years said that the cost of preventing
global warming (or any other environmental disaster) was too great,
compared to the minor inconvenience it may or may not cause if it does
happen.  I don't know if I'd use the word "inconvenience" to refer to
almost 1000 poor black people in New Orleans drowned, and another
million displaced, or 2,000 young servicemen and women have being
blown to bits and other 20,000 having limbs and such blown off.  But
then again, I am a weepy eyed liberal.  He obviously feels those
deaths were worth it to preserve his comfortable way of life.






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>
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> heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36
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[Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming

[Tom Irwin]

Hi All,
 
Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36 hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burn more Dino since none of this is connected. 
 
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