Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-30 Thread subramanian D.V

Dear Mr.Keith,
I'll try to contribute on topics which you 've suggested after I return to my 
base at Chennai.
 
Regards,
 
D.V.S
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear D.V.

Nice to hear from you again.

Dear Mr. Keith,
I 've just come to know that you were hospitalied and back on the 
road to recovery. I pray for yr speedy recovery to normalcy and the 
good work you have been at.

Thankyou!

Hindu philosophy says that goodwork done for the community without 
expecting any return has its own rewards during yr current tenure 
(life) or the next .

I completely agree with that. I also think though that you can find 
similar beliefs in all philosophies and cultures (though it may take 
a little digging!).

I should say though that my reservations in the previous message are 
not about returns and rewards but more about what's worth doing and 
whether some things are more worth doing than others. I've said all 
this before, I've been saying it for a long time. Running this 
Biofuel list has been something of a labour of Sisyphus for us at 
Journey to Forever. We did not expect any reward for it, but it has 
held us back from doing our other work, also work done for the 
community without any expectation of reward, but work we felt is more 
important to us than the Biofuel list is. Journey to Forever is about 
combating hunger and poverty in a rich world, about sustainability - 
more important subjects than biofuels. Of course biofuels are a part 
of that, but it has consumed a quite disproportionate amount of our 
available time and resources (and still does). This should not be the 
case - this list should very largely be able to run itself as a 
self-moderating community without very much input from us. It's shown 
that it is capable of that, and that it's what most of the members 
want, but it's erratic. It needs to be able to stand on its own feet. 
If it still has to depend on me, after all this time, then I must 
deem it a failure.

What takes time? Maintaining and administering the list takes a lot 
of time, all the invisible stuff nobody sees. I just posted a bunch 
of news items, which I often do (and so do others), but that doesn't 
take any time, the stuff arrives of its own accord, I just select and 
forward it; I'll post a further bunch of stuff from DieselNet a bit 
later, that doesn't take any time either. But when Pan said I'm 
needed to make the list dynamic, There is need for your reply of 
many post here, I don't think he was referring to those posts. I've 
written a lot of posts on all aspects of sustainability, community 
self-reliance, appropriate technology and so on, all pertinent to 
biofuels issues (IMO), and that does take time. And it's what makes 
it worthwhile from Journey to Forever's point of view. But it just 
doesn't seem to go anywhere, it doesn't get the ball rolling, very 
few people ever pick it up and take it further. Yet a lot of people 
have told me that they really appreciate that input from me. And I 
suppose it has helped to give the list its scope and character. If I 
stopped doing it, what would happen? Would the list continue to 
develop as a forum for discussion of biofuels issues in their true 
context of global sustainability, or would it degenerate into endless 
rehashings of where to buy your methanol and what to do with the 
washwater? Which is all in the archives anyway, many times over. Do 
we go forward, or do we just go round and round?

These are some of the things Pan has said, to which I referred, with 
which I very much agree, and plenty of others here do too:

... to make our list as uniquely
balanced international forum to provide useful solution to rural
energy crisis.Surely 2005 or list can do better tthan 2004 , if all
of us can spent some time to our group and giving the heping hand.

I wish a happy 2005 and look forward exchange of information not only
biofuel for rural region , but also our list members projects for
ruralization of urban areas, of curse certainly with the useful
ecologically sound biofuel projects

Read this one:

http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050124/005235.html
[Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil

... The thin posting here, as Keith pointed out , I feel is lack of
main subject thread for debate and discussion such as biogas ethanol
form biomass, Diesel from wastes. etc

 We need to depend posts on tecnical subjects and new informations.

For example,some thread for debate are: The best way to make methane
from solid wates, which are complex subject that need integration of
two process composting with bioconversion of methane .
 But conventional composting will not do the job , then enzymatic one
is not practical on as Keith used point out the lab to
internationall articall only.What is the best way?

 We also need here new information flow here ,as our list members are
really sleeping.

And this:

http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050207/005726.html
[Biofuel] Re: Coconut :FOOD vS 

RE: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-29 Thread malcolm maclure

Hi Keith, I've been away doing a few pre Easter antique fairs - didn't find
out about your trip to H till tonight - you being overdoing it again? Tut
tut!!at your age:-)^

Seriously, hope you're feeling better  on the road to recovery - powered by
BioD I hope...:-)

Take care friend - take it easy! - light duties only for a while methinks!!!

Best regards

Malcolm

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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-29 Thread subramanian D.V

Dear Mr. Keith,
I 've just come to know that you were hospitalied and back on the road to 
recovery. I pray for yr speedy recovery to normalcy and the good work you have 
been at.
 
Hindu philosophy says that goodwork done for the community without expecting 
any return has its own rewards during yr current tenure (life) or the next . I 
dont want to go into the details which others in the forum may not agree and 
create more work for you in the form of a flood of EMails!
 
Again wishing you a speedy recovery to normal andwith Regards,
 
Subramanian, D.V
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Many thanks, all, for your concern, I'm sorry to have bothered you.

I was in hospital for five days. I'm back home now, recovering, but 
I'll have to take it easy for a while. This is the second time - I 
spent two weeks in hospital at the beginning of January. I'll be 
okay, the prognosis is good, just a matter of time.

Thanks once again for your concern and good wishes.

 Keith wish you happy recovery to come back here , make this list
much dynamic.There is need for your reply of many post here
sd
Pannirselvam
Brasil

Thankyou for saying so Pan, but I don't agree. I don't think there's 
any great need for my constant presence here, or at least there 
shouldn't be. When I was away in January very few people seem to have 
noticed, the list continued as usual, and several people said that 
was a sign of its maturity, which is what we were aiming for when we 
moved the list. See:
http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/07.html

Pan, we've repeatedly talked of the need for a new direction and a 
new focus for the list, I much agree, and I know others do too. But 
have you noticed how nothing happens?

I also said this at the time we moved:

If it [the membership] should shrink to only 300, and they're 
members who're prepared to take it seriously, that it's a community, 
*their* community, and they behave like responsible, self-moderating 
community members, I'll be more than pleased. I'll be delighted. If 
we can achieve that kind of community here, I couldn't care less how 
many members it has. For two reasons. One is that I don't have the 
time to run any other kind of list - we don't have the time, Journey 
to Forever doesn't have it. Running this list has been costing us 
very heavily for the last two years or more, it's held us back, done 
us and our project harm. I've said so before, but I just stuck it 
out somehow. Not any more. I've also said quite a few times that we 
don't think biofuels is the most important part of our project, 
important of course, but just a part - but it's a very greedy part 
that means more important things have to go without. Not any more.

The other reason, the more important one, is that such a list will 
be able to go about its business a LOT better and will achieve at 
least as much, regardless of how many members it has or doesn't have.

That's what we're aiming for, and this is it - it either flies or it 
dies. It should fly. I know that a lot of people here want that. A 
lot of other people I didn't know before have now told me the same. 
(Thankyou!)

Well, it's up to you. Get on with it.
From: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/000113.html

If it all STILL depends on me, then all that time and effort was 
wasted - many hundreds of hours and more. One man can't do this - 
what it NEEDS is not me but a community effort, as I've said all 
along. Otherwise? Let it die.

Best wishes, and thanks again

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
KYOTO Pref., Japan
http://journeytoforever.org/
Biofuel list owner



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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-29 Thread TLC Orchids and Such

Hello Keith,
   I hope all is well. I wanted to wright and thank you and everyone who has
helped to make my fuel production a success. Including but not limited to
Mike pelly and Alek Kac. I have now been almost fossil free for a month. I
had to buy some dino-diesel today because I was on a trip and developed a
fuel leak. I put five gallons in the tank and five in a can in case I ran
out. I made it home without having to use what was in the can. And I wish I
could take it back to the station for a refund.

I have been telling whoever will listen, about the benefits of using BD over
dino. I have one person trying some out in his truck. And three others who
are considering selling their gas guzzlers and getting diesels to burn the
stuff. They want me to do a seminar on collection of wvo and production of
BD.

This experience has changed the way I view things. I was driving by a
restaurant the other day and I smelled their grease coming from the vent.
Before that day I had only smelled the smoke stack. That may sound silly to
some but I would not shut up about it. My wife said OK I get it you smelled
their grease. Now can we get something to eat. Every time we turn a corner
and get a whiff of the exhaust we just smile and say. Did you smell that?

  Thanks again and happy fueling,
  Jeremy


 Many thanks, all, for your concern, I'm sorry to have bothered you.

 I was in hospital for five days. I'm back home now, recovering, but
 I'll have to take it easy for a while. This is the second time - I
 spent two weeks in hospital at the beginning of January. I'll be
 okay, the prognosis is good, just a matter of time.

 Thanks once again for your concern and good wishes.

Keith  wish you happy recovery to come back here , make this list
 much dynamic.There is need for your reply of many post here
 sd
 Pannirselvam
 Brasil

 Thankyou for saying so Pan, but I don't agree. I don't think there's
 any great need for my constant presence here, or at least there
 shouldn't be. When I was away in January very few people seem to have
 noticed, the list continued as usual, and several people said that
 was a sign of its maturity, which is what we were aiming for when we
 moved the list. See:
 http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/07.html

 Pan, we've repeatedly talked of the need for a new direction and a
 new focus for the list, I much agree, and I know others do too. But
 have you noticed how nothing happens?

 I also said this at the time we moved:

 If it [the membership] should shrink to only 300, and they're
 members who're prepared to take it seriously, that it's a community,
 *their* community, and they behave like responsible, self-moderating
 community members, I'll be more than pleased. I'll be delighted. If
 we can achieve that kind of community here, I couldn't care less how
 many members it has. For two reasons. One is that I don't have the
 time to run any other kind of list - we don't have the time, Journey
 to Forever doesn't have it. Running this list has been costing us
 very heavily for the last two years or more, it's held us back, done
 us and our project harm. I've said so before, but I just stuck it
 out somehow. Not any more. I've also said quite a few times that we
 don't think biofuels is the most important part of our project,
 important of course, but just a part - but it's a very greedy part
 that means more important things have to go without. Not any more.
 
 The other reason, the more important one, is that such a list will
 be able to go about its business a LOT better and will achieve at
 least as much, regardless of how many members it has or doesn't have.
 
 That's what we're aiming for, and this is it - it either flies or it
 dies. It should fly. I know that a lot of people here want that. A
 lot of other people I didn't know before have now told me the same.
 (Thankyou!)
 
 Well, it's up to you. Get on with it.
 From: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/000113.html

 If it all STILL depends on me, then all that time and effort was
 wasted - many hundreds of hours and more. One man can't do this -
 what it NEEDS is not me but a community effort, as I've said all
 along. Otherwise? Let it die.

 Best wishes, and thanks again

 Keith Addison
 Journey to Forever
 KYOTO Pref., Japan
 http://journeytoforever.org/
 Biofuel list owner



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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-29 Thread Keith Addison


appreciation, both onlist and off. I'm somewhat overwhelmed, I must 
say, and somewhat embarrassed too to have been the cause of such a 
fuss. Anyway, I'm back in action - yes, light duty, as you say 
Malcolm, for awhile, though that included making a batch of biodiesel 
today. Light fuel, LOL!


Thanks again, dear friends, I'm quite certain that good wishes, 
prayers or whatever you want to call them can and do help in a very 
direct way, I've seen it happening before. I'm pleased to be back 
with you all again.


Best wishes, as ever

Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-29 Thread Keith Addison



Nice to hear from you again.


Dear Mr. Keith,
I 've just come to know that you were hospitalied and back on the 
road to recovery. I pray for yr speedy recovery to normalcy and the 
good work you have been at.


Thankyou!

Hindu philosophy says that goodwork done for the community without 
expecting any return has its own rewards during yr current tenure 
(life) or the next .


I completely agree with that. I also think though that you can find 
similar beliefs in all philosophies and cultures (though it may take 
a little digging!).


I should say though that my reservations in the previous message are 
not about returns and rewards but more about what's worth doing and 
whether some things are more worth doing than others. I've said all 
this before, I've been saying it for a long time. Running this 
Biofuel list has been something of a labour of Sisyphus for us at 
Journey to Forever. We did not expect any reward for it, but it has 
held us back from doing our other work, also work done for the 
community without any expectation of reward, but work we felt is more 
important to us than the Biofuel list is. Journey to Forever is about 
combating hunger and poverty in a rich world, about sustainability - 
more important subjects than biofuels. Of course biofuels are a part 
of that, but it has consumed a quite disproportionate amount of our 
available time and resources (and still does). This should not be the 
case - this list should very largely be able to run itself as a 
self-moderating community without very much input from us. It's shown 
that it is capable of that, and that it's what most of the members 
want, but it's erratic. It needs to be able to stand on its own feet. 
If it still has to depend on me, after all this time, then I must 
deem it a failure.


What takes time? Maintaining and administering the list takes a lot 
of time, all the invisible stuff nobody sees. I just posted a bunch 
of news items, which I often do (and so do others), but that doesn't 
take any time, the stuff arrives of its own accord, I just select and 
forward it; I'll post a further bunch of stuff from DieselNet a bit 
later, that doesn't take any time either. But when Pan said I'm 
needed to make the list dynamic, There is need for your reply of 
many post here, I don't think he was referring to those posts. I've 
written a lot of posts on all aspects of sustainability, community 
self-reliance, appropriate technology and so on, all pertinent to 
biofuels issues (IMO), and that does take time. And it's what makes 
it worthwhile from Journey to Forever's point of view. But it just 
doesn't seem to go anywhere, it doesn't get the ball rolling, very 
few people ever pick it up and take it further. Yet a lot of people 
have told me that they really appreciate that input from me. And I 
suppose it has helped to give the list its scope and character. If I 
stopped doing it, what would happen? Would the list continue to 
develop as a forum for discussion of biofuels issues in their true 
context of global sustainability, or would it degenerate into endless 
rehashings of where to buy your methanol and what to do with the 
washwater? Which is all in the archives anyway, many times over. Do 
we go forward, or do we just go round and round?


These are some of the things Pan has said, to which I referred, with 
which I very much agree, and plenty of others here do too:



... to make our list as uniquely
balanced international  forum to  provide useful solution to  rural
energy crisis.Surely 2005 or list  can  do better  tthan 2004 , if all
of us can spent  some time to our group and  giving the heping hand.

I wish a happy 2005 and look forward  exchange of information not only
biofuel for rural region , but also our list members projects  for
ruralization of urban areas, of curse certainly with the useful
ecologically sound biofuel projects


Read this one:

http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050124/005235.html
[Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil


... The thin posting  here, as Keith pointed out , I feel  is  lack of
main subject thread  for debate and discussion such as biogas ethanol
form biomass, Diesel from wastes. etc

We need to  depend posts on tecnical subjects and new informations.

For example,some  thread for debate are: The best way to make methane
from solid wates, which are complex subject that need integration of
two process composting with bioconversion of methane .
But conventional composting will not do the job , then enzymatic one
is not  practical on as Keith used point out the  lab to
internationall articall only.What is the best way?

 We also need here new information flow here ,as our list members are
really sleeping.


And this:

http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050207/005726.html
[Biofuel] Re: Coconut :FOOD vS FUEL

Pan has said a lot about this too:


Our biofuel  members  has the knowlede  to jointly develope this small
biomass refinary concept 

Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-29 Thread Greg Harbican

Glad you are better Keith.

Anytime you are down and need a quick pick-me-up, ask for an  organically
produced IV .The resulting look is priceless, and make me feel better.
LOL

Greg H.


- Original Message - 
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:28
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?


 Many, many thanks once again for all the kind thoughts, prayers and
 appreciation, both onlist and off. I'm somewhat overwhelmed, I must
 say, and somewhat embarrassed too to have been the cause of such a
 fuss. Anyway, I'm back in action - yes, light duty, as you say
 Malcolm, for awhile, though that included making a batch of biodiesel
 today. Light fuel, LOL!

 Thanks again, dear friends, I'm quite certain that good wishes,
 prayers or whatever you want to call them can and do help in a very
 direct way, I've seen it happening before. I'm pleased to be back
 with you all again.

 Best wishes, as ever

 Keith




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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-28 Thread bmolloy

The ley lines are humming, all with the same message: fervent hope of a
speedy recovery for Keith and best wishes to Midori.
Bob.

--- Original Message - 
From: mark manchester [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?


 Sweet thoughts to you Keith, and warm hopes to Midori
 -J

  From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:18:55 +0200
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?
 
 
  I had no idea that Keith had medical problems. Is it someone that is
close
  enough and who could inform us about what is happening.
 
  I am probably only one of many, who want to know and feel concerned and
  worried.
 
  Hakan
 
 
  At 10:54 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote:
  i was wondering too.
  --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 3/26/05 11:07 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender at
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Keith  is back in the hospital for reasons unknown
  to me at this time.
  I would suggest prayer for those holding with
  prayer and good thoughts
  sent his way for those not so inclined.
 
 
 
 
  Thanks for the reply -- I had no idea 
 
  My thoughts are with him, and I miss his
  contributions :-(
 
  -K
 
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Fw: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-28 Thread csc-propulsion

  Keith,

  Our thoughts are for your speedy recovery.

  Cheers,

  CS Chua
  - Original Message -
  From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?


  
   I had no idea that Keith had medical problems. Is it someone that is
close
   enough and who could inform us about what is happening.
  
   I am probably only one of many, who want to know and feel concerned and
   worried.
  
   Hakan
  
  
   At 10:54 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote:
   i was wondering too.
   --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/26/05 11:07 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  Keith  is back in the hospital for reasons unknown
 to me at this time.
  I would suggest prayer for those holding with
 prayer and good thoughts
  sent his way for those not so inclined.
 



 Thanks for the reply -- I had no idea 

 My thoughts are with him, and I miss his
 contributions :-(

 -K

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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-28 Thread Joanne Olafson


good care  of yourself.  Have a gentle and speedy recovery, so that you can
come back very soon to participate in your biofuel community.
Best regards,
Joanne


- Original Message - 
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?




I had no idea that Keith had medical problems. Is it someone that is close
enough and who could inform us about what is happening.

I am probably only one of many, who want to know and feel concerned and
worried.

Hakan


At 10:54 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote:

i was wondering too.
--- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/26/05 11:07 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender at
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  Keith  is back in the hospital for reasons unknown
 to me at this time.
  I would suggest prayer for those holding with
 prayer and good thoughts
  sent his way for those not so inclined.
 



 Thanks for the reply -- I had no idea 

 My thoughts are with him, and I miss his
 contributions :-(

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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-28 Thread Pannir P.V

   Keith  wish you happy recovery to come back here , make this list
much dynamic.There is need for your reply of many post here
sd
Pannirselvam 
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:47:49 -0700, Joanne Olafson
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 Keith, it feels decidedly odd without your input on the list.  Take very
 good care  of yourself.  Have a gentle and speedy recovery, so that you can
 come back very soon to participate in your biofuel community.
 Best regards,
 Joanne
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?
 
 
  I had no idea that Keith had medical problems. Is it someone that is close
  enough and who could inform us about what is happening.
 
  I am probably only one of many, who want to know and feel concerned and
  worried.
 
  Hakan
 
 
  At 10:54 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote:
 i was wondering too.
 --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   on 3/26/05 11:07 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender at
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   
Keith  is back in the hospital for reasons unknown
   to me at this time.
I would suggest prayer for those holding with 
   prayer and good thoughts
sent his way for those not so inclined.
   
  
  
  
   Thanks for the reply -- I had no idea 
  
   My thoughts are with him, and I miss his
   contributions :-(
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-28 Thread Keith Addison



I was in hospital for five days. I'm back home now, recovering, but 
I'll have to take it easy for a while. This is the second time - I 
spent two weeks in hospital at the beginning of January. I'll be 
okay, the prognosis is good, just a matter of time.


Thanks once again for your concern and good wishes.


  Keith  wish you happy recovery to come back here , make this list
much dynamic.There is need for your reply of many post here
sd
Pannirselvam
Brasil


Thankyou for saying so Pan, but I don't agree. I don't think there's 
any great need for my constant presence here, or at least there 
shouldn't be. When I was away in January very few people seem to have 
noticed, the list continued as usual, and several people said that 
was a sign of its maturity, which is what we were aiming for when we 
moved the list. See:

http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/07.html

Pan, we've repeatedly talked of the need for a new direction and a 
new focus for the list, I much agree, and I know others do too. But 
have you noticed how nothing happens?


I also said this at the time we moved:

If it [the membership] should shrink to only 300, and they're 
members who're prepared to take it seriously, that it's a community, 
*their* community, and they behave like responsible, self-moderating 
community members, I'll be more than pleased. I'll be delighted. If 
we can achieve that kind of community here, I couldn't care less how 
many members it has. For two reasons. One is that I don't have the 
time to run any other kind of list - we don't have the time, Journey 
to Forever doesn't have it. Running this list has been costing us 
very heavily for the last two years or more, it's held us back, done 
us and our project harm. I've said so before, but I just stuck it 
out somehow. Not any more. I've also said quite a few times that we 
don't think biofuels is the most important part of our project, 
important of course, but just a part - but it's a very greedy part 
that means more important things have to go without. Not any more.


The other reason, the more important one, is that such a list will 
be able to go about its business a LOT better and will achieve at 
least as much, regardless of how many members it has or doesn't have.


That's what we're aiming for, and this is it - it either flies or it 
dies. It should fly. I know that a lot of people here want that. A 
lot of other people I didn't know before have now told me the same. 
(Thankyou!)


Well, it's up to you. Get on with it.

From: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/000113.html

If it all STILL depends on me, then all that time and effort was 
wasted - many hundreds of hours and more. One man can't do this - 
what it NEEDS is not me but a community effort, as I've said all 
along. Otherwise? Let it die.


Best wishes, and thanks again

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
KYOTO Pref., Japan
http://journeytoforever.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-28 Thread Michael Redler

Hooray!! He's back!
 

Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Many thanks, all, for your concern, I'm sorry to have bothered you.

I was in hospital for five days. I'm back home now, recovering, but 
I'll have to take it easy for a while. This is the second time - I 
spent two weeks in hospital at the beginning of January. I'll be 
okay, the prognosis is good, just a matter of time.

Thanks once again for your concern and good wishes.

 Keith wish you happy recovery to come back here , make this list
much dynamic.There is need for your reply of many post here
sd
Pannirselvam
Brasil

Thankyou for saying so Pan, but I don't agree. I don't think there's 
any great need for my constant presence here, or at least there 
shouldn't be. When I was away in January very few people seem to have 
noticed, the list continued as usual, and several people said that 
was a sign of its maturity, which is what we were aiming for when we 
moved the list. See:
http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/07.html

Pan, we've repeatedly talked of the need for a new direction and a 
new focus for the list, I much agree, and I know others do too. But 
have you noticed how nothing happens?

I also said this at the time we moved:

If it [the membership] should shrink to only 300, and they're 
members who're prepared to take it seriously, that it's a community, 
*their* community, and they behave like responsible, self-moderating 
community members, I'll be more than pleased. I'll be delighted. If 
we can achieve that kind of community here, I couldn't care less how 
many members it has. For two reasons. One is that I don't have the 
time to run any other kind of list - we don't have the time, Journey 
to Forever doesn't have it. Running this list has been costing us 
very heavily for the last two years or more, it's held us back, done 
us and our project harm. I've said so before, but I just stuck it 
out somehow. Not any more. I've also said quite a few times that we 
don't think biofuels is the most important part of our project, 
important of course, but just a part - but it's a very greedy part 
that means more important things have to go without. Not any more.

The other reason, the more important one, is that such a list will 
be able to go about its business a LOT better and will achieve at 
least as much, regardless of how many members it has or doesn't have.

That's what we're aiming for, and this is it - it either flies or it 
dies. It should fly. I know that a lot of people here want that. A 
lot of other people I didn't know before have now told me the same. 
(Thankyou!)

Well, it's up to you. Get on with it.
From: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/000113.html

If it all STILL depends on me, then all that time and effort was 
wasted - many hundreds of hours and more. One man can't do this - 
what it NEEDS is not me but a community effort, as I've said all 
along. Otherwise? Let it die.

Best wishes, and thanks again

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
KYOTO Pref., Japan
http://journeytoforever.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-28 Thread gustl

Hakan,

Keith is out of the hospital and doing well.  Not to worry
brother.

Happy Happy,

Gustl

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:18:55 +0200
 Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I had no idea that Keith had medical problems. Is it
 someone that is close enough and who could inform us
 about what is happening.
 
 I am probably only one of many, who want to know and feel
 concerned and worried.
 
 Hakan
 
 
 At 10:54 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote:
 i was wondering too.
 --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 3/26/05 11:07 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender at
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
   Keith  is back in the hospital for reasons unknown
  to me at this time.
   I would suggest prayer for those holding with
  prayer and good thoughts
   sent his way for those not so inclined.
  
 
 
 
  Thanks for the reply -- I had no idea 
 
  My thoughts are with him, and I miss his
  contributions :-(
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-28 Thread Kim Garth Travis



Information was passed, questions answered and yes, we did carry one 
without you.  BUT, you have become a friend and your presence is missed.  A 
candle sits on my altar sending healing energy to you.


While I do understand that you must move on to follow your path, we do hope 
you will still visit with us.


Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 07:01 AM 3/28/2005, you wrote:

If it all STILL depends on me, then all that time and effort was wasted - 
many hundreds of hours and more. One man can't do this - what it NEEDS is 
not me but a community effort, as I've said all along. Otherwise? Let it die.


Best wishes, and thanks again

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
KYOTO Pref., Japan
http://journeytoforever.org/
Biofuel list owner


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RE: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-28 Thread Tim Ferguson

Glad your home and recovering Keith,

My prayers and thoughts are with you and Midori as are those of many others as 
you can see from the post.

Over the past few days I was wondering what was missing from the list and then 
it hit me, there was an absence of Keith. Then I
wondered why and someone that same day posted Where's Keith?. That's when we 
all (the listers) learned that your were in the
Hospital. I'm glad you're home and on the mend.

I wanted also to take a moment and say Thank You. Thank you for all the 
selfless effort that you put into making this list what it
is today. When a person realizes that something is missing but they can't 
immediately put their finger on it, that is getting close
to taking it for granted. And I certainly don't take your efforts for granted. 
Your research into topics, your opinions, your level
minded approach to moderating this list all make it the useful tool at our 
disposal to improve our global community.

Please get well soon and continue the Journey.

And I also want to say thank you to all those individuals around the world that 
are posting their ideas, experiences, knowledge and
opinions regularly. I know I don't post a lot but that is related to my 
experience level in topics discussed. But thanks to this
list, that is changing.

Thank you Keith, and thank you all.

Best wishes
Tim

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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-28 Thread Phillip Wolfe

Welcome back Keith. I spent this Easter helping my 
sister with her sick baby and realized how fragile
life can be.   Take care and hope all the postings
give you words of encouragement and connectedness -
we are all connected in some way.


--- Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hooray!! He's back!
  
 
 Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Many thanks, all, for your concern, I'm sorry to
 have bothered you.
 
 I was in hospital for five days. I'm back home now,
 recovering, but 
 I'll have to take it easy for a while. This is the
 second time - I 
 spent two weeks in hospital at the beginning of
 January. I'll be 
 okay, the prognosis is good, just a matter of time.
 
 Thanks once again for your concern and good wishes.
 
  Keith wish you happy recovery to come back here ,
 make this list
 much dynamic.There is need for your reply of many
 post here
 sd
 Pannirselvam
 Brasil
 
 Thankyou for saying so Pan, but I don't agree. I
 don't think there's 
 any great need for my constant presence here, or at
 least there 
 shouldn't be. When I was away in January very few
 people seem to have 
 noticed, the list continued as usual, and several
 people said that 
 was a sign of its maturity, which is what we were
 aiming for when we 
 moved the list. See:

http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/07.html
 
 Pan, we've repeatedly talked of the need for a new
 direction and a 
 new focus for the list, I much agree, and I know
 others do too. But 
 have you noticed how nothing happens?
 
 I also said this at the time we moved:
 
 If it [the membership] should shrink to only 300,
 and they're 
 members who're prepared to take it seriously, that
 it's a community, 
 *their* community, and they behave like
 responsible, self-moderating 
 community members, I'll be more than pleased. I'll
 be delighted. If 
 we can achieve that kind of community here, I
 couldn't care less how 
 many members it has. For two reasons. One is that I
 don't have the 
 time to run any other kind of list - we don't have
 the time, Journey 
 to Forever doesn't have it. Running this list has
 been costing us 
 very heavily for the last two years or more, it's
 held us back, done 
 us and our project harm. I've said so before, but I
 just stuck it 
 out somehow. Not any more. I've also said quite a
 few times that we 
 don't think biofuels is the most important part of
 our project, 
 important of course, but just a part - but it's a
 very greedy part 
 that means more important things have to go
 without. Not any more.
 
 The other reason, the more important one, is that
 such a list will 
 be able to go about its business a LOT better and
 will achieve at 
 least as much, regardless of how many members it
 has or doesn't have.
 
 That's what we're aiming for, and this is it - it
 either flies or it 
 dies. It should fly. I know that a lot of people
 here want that. A 
 lot of other people I didn't know before have now
 told me the same. 
 (Thankyou!)
 
 Well, it's up to you. Get on with it.
 From:

http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/000113.html
 
 If it all STILL depends on me, then all that time
 and effort was 
 wasted - many hundreds of hours and more. One man
 can't do this - 
 what it NEEDS is not me but a community effort, as
 I've said all 
 along. Otherwise? Let it die.
 
 Best wishes, and thanks again
 
 Keith Addison
 Journey to Forever
 KYOTO Pref., Japan
 http://journeytoforever.org/
 Biofuel list owner
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-28 Thread Mike Pelly

Sure glad to hear your doing better Keith! I was
getting worried about you and you were in my thoughts.
Mike 
--- Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Welcome back Keith. I spent this Easter helping my 
 sister with her sick baby and realized how fragile
 life can be.   Take care and hope all the postings
 give you words of encouragement and connectedness
 -
 we are all connected in some way.
 
 
 --- Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hooray!! He's back!
   
  
  Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Many thanks, all, for your concern, I'm sorry to
  have bothered you.
  
  I was in hospital for five days. I'm back home
 now,
  recovering, but 
  I'll have to take it easy for a while. This is the
  second time - I 
  spent two weeks in hospital at the beginning of
  January. I'll be 
  okay, the prognosis is good, just a matter of
 time.
  
  Thanks once again for your concern and good
 wishes.
  
   Keith wish you happy recovery to come back here
 ,
  make this list
  much dynamic.There is need for your reply of many
  post here
  sd
  Pannirselvam
  Brasil
  
  Thankyou for saying so Pan, but I don't agree. I
  don't think there's 
  any great need for my constant presence here, or
 at
  least there 
  shouldn't be. When I was away in January very few
  people seem to have 
  noticed, the list continued as usual, and several
  people said that 
  was a sign of its maturity, which is what we were
  aiming for when we 
  moved the list. See:
 

http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/07.html
  
  Pan, we've repeatedly talked of the need for a new
  direction and a 
  new focus for the list, I much agree, and I know
  others do too. But 
  have you noticed how nothing happens?
  
  I also said this at the time we moved:
  
  If it [the membership] should shrink to only 300,
  and they're 
  members who're prepared to take it seriously,
 that
  it's a community, 
  *their* community, and they behave like
  responsible, self-moderating 
  community members, I'll be more than pleased.
 I'll
  be delighted. If 
  we can achieve that kind of community here, I
  couldn't care less how 
  many members it has. For two reasons. One is that
 I
  don't have the 
  time to run any other kind of list - we don't
 have
  the time, Journey 
  to Forever doesn't have it. Running this list has
  been costing us 
  very heavily for the last two years or more, it's
  held us back, done 
  us and our project harm. I've said so before, but
 I
  just stuck it 
  out somehow. Not any more. I've also said quite a
  few times that we 
  don't think biofuels is the most important part
 of
  our project, 
  important of course, but just a part - but it's a
  very greedy part 
  that means more important things have to go
  without. Not any more.
  
  The other reason, the more important one, is that
  such a list will 
  be able to go about its business a LOT better and
  will achieve at 
  least as much, regardless of how many members it
  has or doesn't have.
  
  That's what we're aiming for, and this is it - it
  either flies or it 
  dies. It should fly. I know that a lot of people
  here want that. A 
  lot of other people I didn't know before have now
  told me the same. 
  (Thankyou!)
  
  Well, it's up to you. Get on with it.
  From:
 

http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/000113.html
  
  If it all STILL depends on me, then all that time
  and effort was 
  wasted - many hundreds of hours and more. One man
  can't do this - 
  what it NEEDS is not me but a community effort, as
  I've said all 
  along. Otherwise? Let it die.
  
  Best wishes, and thanks again
  
  Keith Addison
  Journey to Forever
  KYOTO Pref., Japan
  http://journeytoforever.org/
  Biofuel list owner
  
  
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-27 Thread Hakan Falk


I had no idea that Keith had medical problems. Is it someone that is close 
enough and who could inform us about what is happening.


I am probably only one of many, who want to know and feel concerned and 
worried.


Hakan


At 10:54 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote:

i was wondering too.
--- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/26/05 11:07 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender at
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  Keith  is back in the hospital for reasons unknown
 to me at this time.
  I would suggest prayer for those holding with
 prayer and good thoughts
  sent his way for those not so inclined.
 



 Thanks for the reply -- I had no idea 

 My thoughts are with him, and I miss his
 contributions :-(

 -K

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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-27 Thread Hakan Falk


I had no idea that Keith had medical problems. Is it someone that is close 
enough and who could inform us about what is happening.


I am probably only one of many, who want to know and feel concerned and 
worried.


Hakan


At 10:54 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote:

i was wondering too.
--- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/26/05 11:07 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender at
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  Keith  is back in the hospital for reasons unknown
 to me at this time.
  I would suggest prayer for those holding with
 prayer and good thoughts
  sent his way for those not so inclined.
 



 Thanks for the reply -- I had no idea 

 My thoughts are with him, and I miss his
 contributions :-(

 -K

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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-27 Thread mark manchester

Sweet thoughts to you Keith, and warm hopes to Midori
-J

 From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 I had no idea that Keith had medical problems. Is it someone that is close
 enough and who could inform us about what is happening.
 
 I am probably only one of many, who want to know and feel concerned and
 worried.
 
 Hakan
 
 
 At 10:54 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote:
 i was wondering too.
 --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/26/05 11:07 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender at
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 Keith  is back in the hospital for reasons unknown
 to me at this time.
 I would suggest prayer for those holding with
 prayer and good thoughts
 sent his way for those not so inclined.
 
 
 
 
 Thanks for the reply -- I had no idea 
 
 My thoughts are with him, and I miss his
 contributions :-(
 
 -K
 
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[Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-26 Thread Ken Provost




If I wasn't such a lurker, I'd probly know this, but...
Where's Keith? I trust all's well...


-K

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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-26 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender

Hallo Ken,

Friday, 25 March, 2005, 21:55:30, you wrote:

KP If I wasn't such a lurker, I'd probly know this, but...
KP Where's Keith? I trust all's well...

Keith  is back in the hospital for reasons unknown to me at this time.
I would suggest prayer for those holding with prayer and good thoughts
sent his way for those not so inclined.

Happy Happy,

Gustl
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Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

2005-03-26 Thread Ken Provost

on 3/26/05 11:07 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Keith  is back in the hospital for reasons unknown to me at this time.
 I would suggest prayer for those holding with prayer and good thoughts
 sent his way for those not so inclined.
 



Thanks for the reply -- I had no idea 

My thoughts are with him, and I miss his contributions :-(

-K

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