Re: [Biofuel] grease trap waste

2005-12-15 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Hello Manuel,
the FFA value does not alter the net heat value, but high FFA oils are
usually quite corrosive. And - oil from grease traps may also contain
mineral oils and other fatty substances.
Good luck to you
AGERATEC AB
Jan Warnqvist
- Original Message -
From: "manuel cilia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] grease trap waste


> Has anyone has any experience with grease trap waste. I am looking into an
> idea of collecting grease trap waste and seperating the water from the
> grease, then heating the grease to a level where it can be filtered and
used
> in gas turbines while the water is cleaned up and use for irrigation I
know
> grease trap waste is very high in FFA but does this atler it total energy
> value or just its gelling point.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joey Hundert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Widescale Biodiesel Production from Algae
> byMichaelBriggs
>
>
> > Todd,
> >   Please forgive the fact that I'm about to post a previous thread into
> > this one, however, the archives don't seem to be working tonight.
> >
> >   The following is Keith's last post on this issue.  Subj: RE: Algae -
was
> > Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices
> >
> >   Todd, if you keep a good personal archive, please also note the thread
> > "the bad news about biodiesel"
> >
> >   http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg58130.html
> >
> >   as it also has some kernels.
> >
> > -Joey
> >
> >
> > Hello Craig
> >
> >>Hello Keith,
> >>
> >>I've been doing a bit of research on microalgae production for
> >>energy and found there is some research going on around the world in
> >>various places. The NREL's 'Aquatic Species Program' research closed
> >>in the mid 1990's due, among other things, to pressure for DOE
> >>funding and the decision to focus their research budgets on ethanol
> >>production.
> >
> > Were those the only reasons? I thought there were some negative
> > reasons about algae too, could always be wrong though.
> >
> >>Also in the 1990's the Japanese took the idea on in a big way,
> >>spending more than $250 million on research into hi-tec bioreactors
> >>with optical fiber devices etc but found they were too expensive to
> >>be economical. I believe research is continuing there but on a
> >>smaller scale;
> >
> > I haven't heard of any such research here, and I'm a bit sceptical.
> > As with biodiesel itself - it's quite easy to get the impression that
> > there's lots of fancy stuff going on here, especially if you listen
> > to several quite noisy people, and there are indeed some fancy
> > Japanese patents, but in fact biodiesel hardly exists here, some (or
> > most) of the few projects that do exist are very bad, to the extent
> > that emissions tests for exemption from the restrictions of the
> > anti-diesel campaign here (Tokyo and some other places) will no
> > longer allow biodiesel because they've found it's so badly made it
> > wrecks the machinery. Tests of our biodiesel have shown it would pass
> > and wouldn't mess up any machinery, but they made a blanket rule: NO
> > biodiesel, great, thanks guys. More and more people are making their
> > own now, since we got involved (not boasting, that's what's
> > happened), high-quality fuel, but it doesn't count, too bad. Same
> > with ethanol, lots of good research, lots of schemes, but nothing
> > happens. Yet.
> >
> >>China and Israel are also leaders in applied phycology and have done
> >>work on biofuels from algae.
> >>
> >>Michael Briggs, of UNH, and his team are currently focusing on
> >>enclosed systems where the algae will process wastewater too.
> >
> > Have they made any biodiesel from it yet?
> >
> >>John Benemann, who was involved in the NREL research, is now an
> >>independent consultant and heading up an international network who
> >>are researching into it: their website gives a good overview
> >
> > Thanks, I'll take a look.
> >
> >>http://www.co2captureandstorage.info/networks/Biofixation.htm .
> >>http://www.co2captureandstorage.info/networks/documents/01roadmp.pdf
> >>
> >>Other links...
> >>NREL research
> >>http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy04osti/34796.pdf
> >>http://govdoc

[Biofuel] grease trap waste

2005-12-14 Thread manuel cilia
Has anyone has any experience with grease trap waste. I am looking into an 
idea of collecting grease trap waste and seperating the water from the 
grease, then heating the grease to a level where it can be filtered and used 
in gas turbines while the water is cleaned up and use for irrigation I know 
grease trap waste is very high in FFA but does this atler it total energy 
value or just its gelling point.
- Original Message - 
From: "Joey Hundert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Widescale Biodiesel Production from Algae 
byMichaelBriggs


> Todd,
>   Please forgive the fact that I'm about to post a previous thread into
> this one, however, the archives don't seem to be working tonight.
>
>   The following is Keith's last post on this issue.  Subj: RE: Algae - was
> Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices
>
>   Todd, if you keep a good personal archive, please also note the thread
> "the bad news about biodiesel"
>
>   http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg58130.html
>
>   as it also has some kernels.
>
> -Joey
>
>
> Hello Craig
>
>>Hello Keith,
>>
>>I've been doing a bit of research on microalgae production for
>>energy and found there is some research going on around the world in
>>various places. The NREL's 'Aquatic Species Program' research closed
>>in the mid 1990's due, among other things, to pressure for DOE
>>funding and the decision to focus their research budgets on ethanol
>>production.
>
> Were those the only reasons? I thought there were some negative
> reasons about algae too, could always be wrong though.
>
>>Also in the 1990's the Japanese took the idea on in a big way,
>>spending more than $250 million on research into hi-tec bioreactors
>>with optical fiber devices etc but found they were too expensive to
>>be economical. I believe research is continuing there but on a
>>smaller scale;
>
> I haven't heard of any such research here, and I'm a bit sceptical.
> As with biodiesel itself - it's quite easy to get the impression that
> there's lots of fancy stuff going on here, especially if you listen
> to several quite noisy people, and there are indeed some fancy
> Japanese patents, but in fact biodiesel hardly exists here, some (or
> most) of the few projects that do exist are very bad, to the extent
> that emissions tests for exemption from the restrictions of the
> anti-diesel campaign here (Tokyo and some other places) will no
> longer allow biodiesel because they've found it's so badly made it
> wrecks the machinery. Tests of our biodiesel have shown it would pass
> and wouldn't mess up any machinery, but they made a blanket rule: NO
> biodiesel, great, thanks guys. More and more people are making their
> own now, since we got involved (not boasting, that's what's
> happened), high-quality fuel, but it doesn't count, too bad. Same
> with ethanol, lots of good research, lots of schemes, but nothing
> happens. Yet.
>
>>China and Israel are also leaders in applied phycology and have done
>>work on biofuels from algae.
>>
>>Michael Briggs, of UNH, and his team are currently focusing on
>>enclosed systems where the algae will process wastewater too.
>
> Have they made any biodiesel from it yet?
>
>>John Benemann, who was involved in the NREL research, is now an
>>independent consultant and heading up an international network who
>>are researching into it: their website gives a good overview
>
> Thanks, I'll take a look.
>
>>http://www.co2captureandstorage.info/networks/Biofixation.htm .
>>http://www.co2captureandstorage.info/networks/documents/01roadmp.pdf
>>
>>Other links...
>>NREL research
>>http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy04osti/34796.pdf
>>http://govdocs.aquake.org/cgi/reprint/2004/915/9150010.pdf
>>
>>Further studies
>>http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/pdf/algae_salton_sea.pdf
>>http://europa.eu.int/comm/research/energy/pdf/36_qingyu_wu_en.pdf
>>
>>Discussion forum exchanges
>>http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=447609751&f=719605551&m
>>=932606061&r=932606061#932606061
>
> Um... (burp), no thanks.
>
>>http://forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3153.
>>http://forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3414&whichpage=1
>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oil_from_algae/
>>
>>Algal biodiesel plant planned for California?? (I don't know
>>anything more about it)
>>http://www.bfi.org/Trimtab/spring02/biodiesel.htm
>>
>>US Company making algal biodiesel from power station gases
>>http://www.greenfuelonline.com/index.htm
>>
>>
>>I find the last link particularly interesting. My only problem with
>>it - and with John Benemann's network - is the idea of putting CO2
>>from coal power stations into algae. All that fossil carbon still
>>ends up in the atmosphere eventually: we need to focus on ways of
>>locking it up permanently.
>
> Like just leaving it where it is now, for instance, nicely locked up
> and causing no trouble (apart from the odd war and so on). Some hope.
>
>>Also, as an alternative to algae, a lo