Re: [Biofuel] question's
I would suggest that you replace the cigar shaped hose from the fuel filter and the line leading to the lift pump on the injection pump after you have run for a little while anyway. They break down over time and will need replacing even if you only ran dino diesel. If you buy them now and put them in the trunk with a screw driver and you won't have to worry. I'd also suggest carrying a couple extra fuel filters in the trunk as well. Once again, I'd make this suggestion even if you were running dino diesel. There are several good mercedes lists like mercedeslist.com and mbz.orq - they are great resources. Andy On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:37:07 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hello luc, you scared me at first,thanks for the info. now i just need to > find somewhere to buy from, thanks dina > -- Original message -- > > > G'day Dina; > > > > You can't. The car is crap, but I will gladly take it off your hands :-) > > Just is jest. Good car, by the way. > > > > - Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:45 PM > > Subject: [Biofuel] question's > > > > > > >I was wondering if someone could help me find out how I can convert my 1980 > > >Mercedes 300sd Turbo Diesel to biodiesel ? > > > > You need to do nothing to it, it will love the B100 as is, however there are > > things you need to be aware of concerning the filters ect. > > > > > I have been doing some research but have not been able to find out what I > > > need to do to the vehicle itself. > > > > Nothing. The only "converting" that could be done is if you wanted to run > > SVO (Straight Vegetable Oil) or WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil) directly in it, > > but biodiesel is fully compatible to any percentage with your car. You > > *might* experience some rubber hose failure, although this is not a > > guarentee. > > > > >I am very new to all of this but am very interested in making it work it > > >sounds so sensible I can't believe more people aren't aware of this > > >alternative. > > > > We're working on it :-) > > > > >I live in S.F.- Bay Area so if anyone has information for this area I > > >would appreciate it. > > > > The beginning: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html > > > > Luc > > > > >Thankyou. Dina > > > ___ > > > Biofuel mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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hello luc, you scared me at first,thanks for the info. now i just need to find somewhere to buy from, thanks dina -- Original message -- > G'day Dina; > > You can't. The car is crap, but I will gladly take it off your hands :-) > Just is jest. Good car, by the way. > > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:45 PM > Subject: [Biofuel] question's > > > >I was wondering if someone could help me find out how I can convert my 1980 > >Mercedes 300sd Turbo Diesel to biodiesel ? > > You need to do nothing to it, it will love the B100 as is, however there are > things you need to be aware of concerning the filters ect. > > > I have been doing some research but have not been able to find out what I > > need to do to the vehicle itself. > > Nothing. The only "converting" that could be done is if you wanted to run > SVO (Straight Vegetable Oil) or WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil) directly in it, > but biodiesel is fully compatible to any percentage with your car. You > *might* experience some rubber hose failure, although this is not a > guarentee. > > >I am very new to all of this but am very interested in making it work it > >sounds so sensible I can't believe more people aren't aware of this > >alternative. > > We're working on it :-) > > >I live in S.F.- Bay Area so if anyone has information for this area I > >would appreciate it. > > The beginning: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html > > Luc > > >Thankyou. Dina > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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You can't. The car is crap, but I will gladly take it off your hands :-) Just is jest. Good car, by the way. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] question's I was wondering if someone could help me find out how I can convert my 1980 Mercedes 300sd Turbo Diesel to biodiesel ? You need to do nothing to it, it will love the B100 as is, however there are things you need to be aware of concerning the filters ect. I have been doing some research but have not been able to find out what I need to do to the vehicle itself. Nothing. The only "converting" that could be done is if you wanted to run SVO (Straight Vegetable Oil) or WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil) directly in it, but biodiesel is fully compatible to any percentage with your car. You *might* experience some rubber hose failure, although this is not a guarentee. I am very new to all of this but am very interested in making it work it sounds so sensible I can't believe more people aren't aware of this alternative. We're working on it :-) I live in S.F.- Bay Area so if anyone has information for this area I would appreciate it. The beginning: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Luc Thankyou. Dina ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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The only modification was to change about one foot of rubber fuel line with one made of nitrile. After that it was necessary to add an inline fuel filter before the stock fuel filter because the filters were clogging up with old petrol gunk. This was the only problem. I sold the car in '04 to buy an'02 VW golf TDI. The mercedes was still running fine and it still is. The new owners still come by to fill up with bio-D. I have mad over 2500 gal since dec 02., and highly recommend the mercedes 300 series. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 1:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] question's I was wondering if someone could help me find out how I can convert my 1980 Mercedes 300sd Turbo Diesel to biodiesel ? I have been doing some research but have not been able to find out what I need to do to the vehicle itself. I am very new to all of this but am very interested in making it work it sounds so sensible I can't believe more people aren't aware of this alternative.I live in S.F.- Bay Area so if anyone has information for this area I would appreciate it.Thankyou. Dina ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] question's
I was wondering if someone could help me find out how I can convert my 1980 Mercedes 300sd Turbo Diesel to biodiesel ? I have been doing some research but have not been able to find out what I need to do to the vehicle itself. I am very new to all of this but am very interested in making it work it sounds so sensible I can't believe more people aren't aware of this alternative.I live in S.F.- Bay Area so if anyone has information for this area I would appreciate it.Thankyou. Dina ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [biofuel] Question's
Martin, I mean increase the initial vinegar during the initial wash stage. I found that I got crme during wash. Much of it settled out but end result was lower BD yield. Increasing the acid/water ratio and lowering agitation helped to increase BD yield. Hope this helps. Mike > -Original Message- > From: Martin R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 12:42 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [biofuel] Question's > > > > Hi Mike > I use about 1 L of vinegar per 100L of BD but only at the wash stage > Do you mean to say add the vinegar to the BD --that has a high > soap contend > -- and then > bubble wash with no water , BD and vinegar mixture together ??? > > Martin R. > > > At 03:45 PM 20/10/01, you wrote: > >Martin, > > > >I found that the addition of 'MUCH' more vinegar with LOW > agitation helped > >improve the return considerably. Be patient!! > > > >Mike > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Martin R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:22 AM > > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [biofuel] Question's > > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > can some one tell me how long one should mix the BD for ??? > > > I mix for one hour > > > > > > also when working out the titration ,I was told that the PH should be > > > between 8 and 9 is this correct ?? > > > Most of my batches are around 8.3 to 8.7 PH > > > > > > the trouble that I had with the bubbles in my BD was with the PH > > > of the mix > > > being 8.35 PH > > > and still got all the extra soap in my fuel . > > > > > > How low can you go on the PH scale for the oil mixture to react > > > and form BD > > > and what is the least amount of Methanol one can use , say in 100L. > > > > > > Many thanks Martin R. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > > > <http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>http://journeytoforever. org/biofuel.html > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT ><http://rd.yahoo.com/M=213858.1650662.3186813.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705083 269:HM/A=763352/R=0/*http://www.classmates.com/index.tf?s=5085>bdd84.jpg >bddc0.jpg > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: ><http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>http://journeytoforever.org/biofu el.html >Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the ><http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hi Mike I use about 1 L of vinegar per 100L of BD but only at the wash stage Do you mean to say add the vinegar to the BD --that has a high soap contend -- and then bubble wash with no water , BD and vinegar mixture together ??? Martin R. At 03:45 PM 20/10/01, you wrote: >Martin, > >I found that the addition of 'MUCH' more vinegar with LOW agitation helped >improve the return considerably. Be patient!! > >Mike > > > -Original Message- > > From: Martin R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:22 AM > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [biofuel] Question's > > > > > > Hi all > > > > can some one tell me how long one should mix the BD for ??? > > I mix for one hour > > > > also when working out the titration ,I was told that the PH should be > > between 8 and 9 is this correct ?? > > Most of my batches are around 8.3 to 8.7 PH > > > > the trouble that I had with the bubbles in my BD was with the PH > > of the mix > > being 8.35 PH > > and still got all the extra soap in my fuel . > > > > How low can you go on the PH scale for the oil mixture to react > > and form BD > > and what is the least amount of Methanol one can use , say in 100L. > > > > Many thanks Martin R. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > <http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT ><http://rd.yahoo.com/M=213858.1650662.3186813.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=763352/R=0/*http://www.classmates.com/index.tf?s=5085>bdd84.jpg >bddc0.jpg > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: ><http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the ><http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Yeah, 3 to 4 tablespoons per gallon of water recommended in Foolproof. I found more works better for me. Mike > -Original Message- > From: steve spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:40 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Question's > > > vinegar? > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Brownstone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:45 AM > Subject: RE: [biofuel] Question's > > > > Martin, > > > > I found that the addition of 'MUCH' more vinegar with LOW > agitation helped > > improve the return considerably. Be patient!! > > > > Mike > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Martin R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:22 AM > > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [biofuel] Question's > > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > can some one tell me how long one should mix the BD for ??? > > > I mix for one hour > > > > > > also when working out the titration ,I was told that the PH should be > > > between 8 and 9 is this correct ?? > > > Most of my batches are around 8.3 to 8.7 PH > > > > > > the trouble that I had with the bubbles in my BD was with the PH > > > of the mix > > > being 8.35 PH > > > and still got all the extra soap in my fuel . > > > > > > How low can you go on the PH scale for the oil mixture to react > > > and form BD > > > and what is the least amount of Methanol one can use , say in 100L. > > > > > > Many thanks Martin R. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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vinegar? Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: "Mike Brownstone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:45 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Question's > Martin, > > I found that the addition of 'MUCH' more vinegar with LOW agitation helped > improve the return considerably. Be patient!! > > Mike > > > -Original Message- > > From: Martin R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:22 AM > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [biofuel] Question's > > > > > > Hi all > > > > can some one tell me how long one should mix the BD for ??? > > I mix for one hour > > > > also when working out the titration ,I was told that the PH should be > > between 8 and 9 is this correct ?? > > Most of my batches are around 8.3 to 8.7 PH > > > > the trouble that I had with the bubbles in my BD was with the PH > > of the mix > > being 8.35 PH > > and still got all the extra soap in my fuel . > > > > How low can you go on the PH scale for the oil mixture to react > > and form BD > > and what is the least amount of Methanol one can use , say in 100L. > > > > Many thanks Martin R. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Question's
Martin, I found that the addition of 'MUCH' more vinegar with LOW agitation helped improve the return considerably. Be patient!! Mike > -Original Message- > From: Martin R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:22 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Question's > > > Hi all > > can some one tell me how long one should mix the BD for ??? > I mix for one hour > > also when working out the titration ,I was told that the PH should be > between 8 and 9 is this correct ?? > Most of my batches are around 8.3 to 8.7 PH > > the trouble that I had with the bubbles in my BD was with the PH > of the mix > being 8.35 PH > and still got all the extra soap in my fuel . > > How low can you go on the PH scale for the oil mixture to react > and form BD > and what is the least amount of Methanol one can use , say in 100L. > > Many thanks Martin R. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Question's
Hi all can some one tell me how long one should mix the BD for ??? I mix for one hour also when working out the titration ,I was told that the PH should be between 8 and 9 is this correct ?? Most of my batches are around 8.3 to 8.7 PH the trouble that I had with the bubbles in my BD was with the PH of the mix being 8.35 PH and still got all the extra soap in my fuel . How low can you go on the PH scale for the oil mixture to react and form BD and what is the least amount of Methanol one can use , say in 100L. Many thanks Martin R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
