Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestation
Marilyn, Thanks for the post. I haven't found anything that contradicts the info below. I found a place that sells organic, shade-grown coffee not far away. Expensive, but good. I'll have to drink less and enjoy more. Tom - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:38 PM Subject: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestation > The article below regarding sun-grown coffee deforestation was > sent to me. Does anyone know more about this? > Marilyn > > Americans consume 130,000,000 cups of coffee every day? Until > the 1970s, farmers mostly used sustainable agricultural > techniques to grow coffee. Traditionally, shade grown coffee > plants are interspersed under a shielding canopy of trees that > create more biodiversity and bird habitat with less need for > chemical inputs. In recent decades, however, a desire to boost > production has caused many producers to abandon traditional > shade growing techniques in favor of coffee grown in the sun > under aggressive application of fertilizers and pesticides. In the > process, vast stretches of native forests were cleared. Latin > America currently has the world's highest deforestation rate, in > part due to this conversion to sun-grown coffee. > > To learn more about shade grown coffee and where you can > obtain it, > http://www.pachamama.org/updates/index.php?month=5&year > 06#7 > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestation
Kirk, I am an operator in many fields from electronics to sustainable live stock and forestation and alternative fuels from wastes. Treading a very unstable and un-balanced line between the haves and the have nots and those that will never have. It is obligatory to educate ourselves with the purpose of giving future generations reasons for hope. Coffee is very labor intensive in the Arabica line and thus also has better returns for farmers/growers that are not broadening their shadows through seating. Tis so true what the conglomerates do to the local farmers. No responsibility at all, not even the training to better life or sustainability which in the long run leads to the conglomerate looking for new soils to spoils. However there are some good guys here that work with minority groups and thus keep the processing within the growers family allowing for greater rewards to the farmers/growers family. Just a handful of people but a difference is there. It shows that how come farmer X gets more and yet farmer Y supports the conglomerates. Some is just plain lazy and others not understanding. The tasks here are humungous to begin with, China in the North, Thailand in the West, Viet Nam to the East and Cambodia to the South. We, the most heavily bombed country in the world with no declaration of war against the US. The coffee by those that do it right and spend the time with discriminate harvesting make a real good product. Have sent samples to many parts of the world and no negative feed back except that there is no "kick" to the coffee. It is just a real smooth refreshing drink. Let me know if you want to try a sample of coffee from here. My first electric bicycle I made in 1973, my home was powered by wind in 1972. Been with wind powered pumps for many years and probably the first solar powered cattle station. Am into design of electric transport for individuals and ethanol power. The bio-diesel plant should be up and running by years end. My first "How to make Ethanol fuel" is out in pamphlet form in the local language with how to make the Ethanol and how to modify engines to run on Ethanol, the book is available free to those that want. As one once said "The future belongs to those that give future generations reason for hope". Doug - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestation laotel.com? Are you in Thailand? Yes, a good cup of coffee is a delight. Are you a grower? Kirklres1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kirk, This may be true in some cases and in some types of beans, there are some real horrible concoctions under the term coffees out there that should be banned from being called coffee. However the Arabica grown here is organic and hand picked, sun dried and then roasted. It is a top Arabica and as such is treated with much respect to bush, soil, pruning, harvesting. It only takes one green Arabica bean to deteriorate the taste to a third grade product with no real sale value unless used for "blending". This is normally a very small percentage of Arabica with the rest being the bitter and taste filled seeds from Robusta. The wholesale picking or indiscriminate picking/harvesting of the Robusta means all beans are picked and the tree/bush stripped. Robusta has no great value to the grower and as such gets the appropriate treatment of a poor sales product. There is not the profit for small farms to take care in the growing or harvesting and care of the Robusta coffee. 100% sun dried and medium roasted Arabica makes for a low Caf low taste coffee of excellent choice. Arabica can be likened to a gentle awakening in the mornings with roosters calling etc, Robusta can be likened to being chucked out of bed, a bucket of cold water thrown over you and given a brutal kick start to the day. Robusta the 24/7 of today's life styles/ Arabica the 8/5 and the family life. More information if you require is available from here, as are samples of the real stuff. Doug - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestation I find I can only tolerate organic coffee. My wife responds even worse to the regular stuff. It is my understanding non organic is picked by defoliating the tree and all the beans are taken at once not just the ripe ones. Thus the current trend for heavy or "French" roast to mask the state of the beans. Also they are allowed one or two percent trash
Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestation
laotel.com? Are you in Thailand? Yes, a good cup of coffee is a delight. Are you a grower? Kirklres1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kirk, This may be true in some cases and in some types of beans, there are some real horrible concoctions under the term coffees out there that should be banned from being called coffee. However the Arabica grown here is organic and hand picked, sun dried and then roasted. It is a top Arabica and as such is treated with much respect to bush, soil, pruning, harvesting. It only takes one green Arabica bean to deteriorate the taste to a third grade product with no real sale value unless used for "blending". This is normally a very small percentage of Arabica with the rest being the bitter and taste filled seeds from Robusta. The wholesale picking or indiscriminate picking/harvesting of the Robusta means all beans are picked and the tree/bush stripped. Robusta has no great value to the grower and as such gets the appropriate treatment of a poor sales product. There is not the profit for small farms to take care in the growing or harvesting and care of the Robusta coffee. 100% sun dried and medium roasted Arabica makes for a low Caf low taste coffee of excellent choice. Arabica can be likened to a gentle awakening in the mornings with roosters calling etc, Robusta can be likened to being chucked out of bed, a bucket of cold water thrown over you and given a brutal kick start to the day. Robusta the 24/7 of today's life styles/ Arabica the 8/5 and the family life. More information if you require is available from here, as are samples of the real stuff. Doug - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestationI find I can only tolerate organic coffee. My wife responds even worse to the regular stuff. It is my understanding non organic is picked by defoliating the tree and all the beans are taken at once not just the ripe ones. Thus the current trend for heavy or "French" roast to mask the state of the beans. Also they are allowed one or two percent trash (contaminants) and I assume this to be defoliant contaminated leaves. Monsanto strikes again. Kirk[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The article below regarding sun-grown coffee deforestation was sent to me. Does anyone know more about this?MarilynAmericans consume 130,000,000 cups of coffee every day? Until the 1970s, farmers mostly used sustainable agricultural techniques to grow coffee. Traditionally, shade grown coffee plants are interspersed under a shielding canopy of trees that create more biodiversity and bird habitat with less need for chemical inputs. In recent decades, however, a desire to boost production has caused many producers to abandon traditional shade growing techniques in favor of coffee grown in the sun under aggressive application of fertilizers and pesticides. In the process, vast stretches of native forests were cleared. Latin America currently has the world's highest deforestation rate, in part due to this conversion to sun-grown coffee. To learn more about shade grown coffee and where you can obtain it, http://www.pachamama.org/updates/index.php?month=5&year 06#7___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. MailScanner with NOD32, and is believed to be clean. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is believed to be clean. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journ
Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestation
I would assume not harvested with herbicide Not exactly Juan Valdez and his burro but a far cry from Monsanto KirkChris Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I find I can only tolerate organic coffee. < I did not realise the organic label meant it had to be hand picked, I just thought it was grown without chemicals. Chris ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestation
Kirk, This may be true in some cases and in some types of beans, there are some real horrible concoctions under the term coffees out there that should be banned from being called coffee. However the Arabica grown here is organic and hand picked, sun dried and then roasted. It is a top Arabica and as such is treated with much respect to bush, soil, pruning, harvesting. It only takes one green Arabica bean to deteriorate the taste to a third grade product with no real sale value unless used for "blending". This is normally a very small percentage of Arabica with the rest being the bitter and taste filled seeds from Robusta. The wholesale picking or indiscriminate picking/harvesting of the Robusta means all beans are picked and the tree/bush stripped. Robusta has no great value to the grower and as such gets the appropriate treatment of a poor sales product. There is not the profit for small farms to take care in the growing or harvesting and care of the Robusta coffee. 100% sun dried and medium roasted Arabica makes for a low Caf low taste coffee of excellent choice. Arabica can be likened to a gentle awakening in the mornings with roosters calling etc, Robusta can be likened to being chucked out of bed, a bucket of cold water thrown over you and given a brutal kick start to the day. Robusta the 24/7 of today's life styles/ Arabica the 8/5 and the family life. More information if you require is available from here, as are samples of the real stuff. Doug - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestation I find I can only tolerate organic coffee. My wife responds even worse to the regular stuff. It is my understanding non organic is picked by defoliating the tree and all the beans are taken at once not just the ripe ones. Thus the current trend for heavy or "French" roast to mask the state of the beans. Also they are allowed one or two percent trash (contaminants) and I assume this to be defoliant contaminated leaves. Monsanto strikes again. Kirk[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The article below regarding sun-grown coffee deforestation was sent to me. Does anyone know more about this?MarilynAmericans consume 130,000,000 cups of coffee every day? Until the 1970s, farmers mostly used sustainable agricultural techniques to grow coffee. Traditionally, shade grown coffee plants are interspersed under a shielding canopy of trees that create more biodiversity and bird habitat with less need for chemical inputs. In recent decades, however, a desire to boost production has caused many producers to abandon traditional shade growing techniques in favor of coffee grown in the sun under aggressive application of fertilizers and pesticides. In the process, vast stretches of native forests were cleared. Latin America currently has the world's highest deforestation rate, in part due to this conversion to sun-grown coffee. To learn more about shade grown coffee and where you can obtain it, http://www.pachamama.org/updates/index.php?month=5&year 06#7___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. MailScanner with NOD32, and is believed to be clean. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is believed to be clean. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestation
> I find I can only tolerate organic coffee. < I did not realise the organic label meant it had to be hand picked, I just thought it was grown without chemicals. Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestation
I find I can only tolerate organic coffee. My wife responds even worse to the regular stuff. It is my understanding non organic is picked by defoliating the tree and all the beans are taken at once not just the ripe ones. Thus the current trend for heavy or "French" roast to mask the state of the beans. Also they are allowed one or two percent trash (contaminants) and I assume this to be defoliant contaminated leaves. Monsanto strikes again. Kirk[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The article below regarding sun-grown coffee deforestation was sent to me. Does anyone know more about this?MarilynAmericans consume 130,000,000 cups of coffee every day? Until the 1970s, farmers mostly used sustainable agricultural techniques to grow coffee. Traditionally, shade grown coffee plants are interspersed under a shielding canopy of trees that create more biodiversity and bird habitat with less need for chemical inputs. In recent decades, however, a desire to boost production has caused many producers to abandon traditional shade growing techniques in favor of coffee grown in the sun under aggressive application of fertilizers and pesticides. In the process, vast stretches of native forests were cleared. Latin America currently has the world's highest deforestation rate, in part due to this conversion to sun-grown coffee. To learn more about shade grown coffee and where you can obtain it, http://www.pachamama.org/updates/index.php?month=5&year 06#7___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestation
The article below regarding sun-grown coffee deforestation was sent to me. Does anyone know more about this? Marilyn Americans consume 130,000,000 cups of coffee every day? Until the 1970s, farmers mostly used sustainable agricultural techniques to grow coffee. Traditionally, shade grown coffee plants are interspersed under a shielding canopy of trees that create more biodiversity and bird habitat with less need for chemical inputs. In recent decades, however, a desire to boost production has caused many producers to abandon traditional shade growing techniques in favor of coffee grown in the sun under aggressive application of fertilizers and pesticides. In the process, vast stretches of native forests were cleared. Latin America currently has the world's highest deforestation rate, in part due to this conversion to sun-grown coffee. To learn more about shade grown coffee and where you can obtain it, http://www.pachamama.org/updates/index.php?month=5&year 06#7 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
