Re: Glycerine pretreat - was Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs
Hello Paul Interesting results you're getting, as usual. snip Keith, why the secrecy?. Sorry about that, not my decision - someone else's work, not in the public domain. But I'm working on it! Regards Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Regards Paul Gobert. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs
Worrying about hitting a deer is a pretty dumb reason for driving an SUV. I've hit them in a little Subaru, it's never put me in the ditch. Most accidents are avoidable if you're paying attention anyway. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs
- Original Message - From: Harmon Seaver Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 05:52 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs Worrying about hitting a deer is a pretty dumb reason for driving an SUV. I've hit them in a little Subaru, it's never put me in the ditch. Most accidents are avoidable if you're paying attention anyway. Perhaps, I grazed one about 2 weeks ago, I was going down the road, when a 6 pointer lunged up out of a ditch next to the road. It was dark and the ditch is about 8' deep, and less then 3' from the edge of the road, by the time the deer was high enough that the lights from the car could shine on it, it was about 4 ' from the road and about 15' in front of the car, as soon as it got about 5' into the road, it stoped. I was moving about 55 and squeezed between it and the ditch smacking it in the ass with the drivers mirror. Their was no way I would have seen the deer sooner because untill it got to the top of the ditch, it was down out of sight. Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs
Here in Montana many have grille guards and a deer is not much problem in a pickup. I see the little Geo and Subaru etc in the body shop all messed up though. Neighbor lady plowed into a big one with her 4 door sedan and there was tranny fluid and blood for 200 feet. She likes to drive fast. It was tow truck time. Depends on the mass of the animal and how fast you are going --and-- if you have a stout grille guard. Some of the ones sold by dealers, like Dodge for example, bend and hit the hood. Flimsy. My guard also contained my winch so you can imagine it was stout. Kirk -Original Message- From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:52 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs Worrying about hitting a deer is a pretty dumb reason for driving an SUV. I've hit them in a little Subaru, it's never put me in the ditch. Most accidents are avoidable if you're paying attention anyway. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.303 / Virus Database: 164 - Release Date: 11/24/2001 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs
On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 06:52:21AM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Worrying about hitting a deer is a pretty dumb reason for driving an SUV. I've hit them in a little Subaru, it's never put me in the ditch. Most accidents are avoidable if you're paying attention anyway. Some people near here about a year ago hit a moose and it killed the 2 people sitting in the front (went in through the windshield). It has generally been statistically proven that smaller cars are more dangerous, and there are more deaths in them. Some interesting points.. in small car on small car accidents, there are more deaths than in large car on large car accidents, so it's not just big cars crushing little ones. When they crash test vehicles, they are using an immovable object into which they smash the vehicle. This is to simulate a head on with another vehicle the same size. Howerver, in real life, when you crash into an object like a gurder, a tree, telephone pole etc, weight of the vehicle does play an important part in deciding what will happen, and how fast you will decelerate. An excellent paper on this topic: http://www.fplc.edu/risk/vol3/spring/graham.htm A short article: http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/driving/articles/43802/article.html Accidents are always unpredictable though, you never know what might happen. I've driven small cars most of my life and have been fine, but, regarding safety, there is certainly a rational argument for larger vehicles. Ian Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs
- Original Message - Recyling methanol from glycerine. What does anyone have to say about pretreating the biodiesel with the leftover weaste glycerin with the methanol still init? mix the glyc, whicvh has meth and NAOH, then do a reaction with a corresponding lesser amount of reactants... anton berteaux. Keep going, you're doing very well. I can tell you it works well if you get it right, but I'm not free to tell you any more than that. Be encouraged! Best Keith Addison Anton I like the idea. Results of a couple of trials. Waste glycerine from a batch of well used solidified vegetable oil (Citation). 12.5ml conc aqueous NaOH and 225ml methanol per litre used for conversion. Filtered waste cotton seed oil (FWCSO) SG 0.9136. 1/. 400ml glycerine + 100ml FWCSO reacted at 55 deg C, mixed intermittently over one hour as temp held. Settled overnight, upper layer 145ml, SG 0.8957 Retreat bottom layer with another 100ml glycerine again increased volume SG 0.9072 2/. 600ml glycerine + 600ml FWCSO treatment as above. upper layer 760ml SG 0.9058 However pH of remaining glycerol just above 7 indicating that FFA in FWCSO had neutralised NaOH and probably would have limited the extent of the reaction. Further tests required but I will certainly be using this method to recover the excess methanol. By using more than the titrated ammount of NaOH an excess will remain in the glycerol to neutralise the FFA in the FWCSO. Or thr FWCSO could be neutralised with slaked lime. High levels of NaOH favour conversion of high FFA oils and tallow. Have found that for a given methanol level the more NaOH used the lower the SG and Viscosity of the BD. However yield volume drops off. Treating the glycerine with WVO could reclaim this loss. Keith, why the secrecy?. Regards Paul Gobert. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs
- Original Message - From: Arne P. Ryason Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 20:17 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs I live in an agricultural state, and I think that biofuels might give a boost to the local farm / ranch economy, which is suffering from low grain prices. Does anybody know which oilseed crop would have the highest yield up here at about 42 degrees North? How many growing days do you have? That is the question. Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs (was Re: Thinking about buying a car?)
Jim, In some instances, a larger vehicle, even one in the form of an SUV, may be preferable as compared to a compact or energy efficient vehicle, but for the vast majority of people, this just isn't the case. For a family of four, a car like the Honda Civic will fulfill all the requirements you allude to in your conclusion, and it will do so in a far better way than most larger cars, including larger vehicles from Honda itself. With respect to the six points you raised, here are my humble replies. ... just getting the kids in the car is difficult ... The problem your family is experiencing relates to the design of your car rather than its size. For example, my '97 Civic sedan is easier to get in and out than a four-door Subaru Forester 2000, regardless of which door is used. As well, it has more headroom in its rear seats than most mid sized American car have in their front seats. The same goes for the trunk. ... the larger a vehicel people will choose, because they are more confortable, less exausting to drive. My civic drives well over any surface, from logging roads to frost heaved asphalt ones. It is far more comfortable than my full sized 4WD Blazer, a truck I use solely for work, and it is better than most pickups and SUVs on the market. Recreation / hobbies ... I've taken four adults skiing in my Civic, from Kelowna to Big White, which is about a 1-hour drive, and absolutely no problems or discomfort were experienced. The skis neatly fit into a roof rack and other equipment went into the truck. I've carried two 20' kayaks on the roof rack, and two mountain bikes on a rear bike rack, along with other camping equipment in the truck, on a camping trip of over 800 kms. Safety, ... There is some merit to this point. If a larger vehicle hits a smaller one, I'd prefer to be in the larger one. But if I were trying to evade an accident, regardless of road conditions, I'd much sooner be in my Civic that just about any vehicle including most 4x4s. Living in the mountains of British Columbia as I do, experiencing a wide range of road conditions, I speak form significant experience here. On mountain roads, I'll pass larger vehicles, especially American built SUVs that are in ditches all over the place, on a routine basis. The most important consideration with respect to traction in wet and snowy conditions is good rubber, such as Michelin Alpin tires, and smart driving. The only place I'd rather be driving a 4WD is in really deep snow or in certain off road conditions. Storage room, for work ... For certain jobs, I need my Blazer for exactly that reason. Indeed, that's the only reason I still have it. Wealth and Status ... Every day I see lots of people driving much more expensive cars than mine but I don't see them as superior or as having more status. Rather I usually see them as vain and uncaring. Every day I see lots of people alone in huge SUV's and pickups and I don't see them as having more wealth. Rather, I see them as being wasteful and insecure. What the auto industry needs, especially the American side, are not larger cars but smaller ones that are better built and designed. It is sad that not a single American small or compact or even midsize car is in the same class as the Honda Civic or the Toyota Tercel. It is sad that smaller American cars are not only look cheap but are built that way too, perhaps to motivate consumers to buy up, into larger vehicles, or perhaps because American car designers have a distorted perception of quality. Small is good, Jim. And when cruch time comes (oil shortages), it may be the only affordable way to get around. Now if only we can get Honda to put a BioDiesel engine into one of its models. Ted Swarts Kelowna, British Columbia - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:29 PM Subject: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs (was Re: Thinking about buying a car?) - Original Message - From: Alan S. Petrillo Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 16:24 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Thinking about buying a car? I must admit I do very often wonder at my fellow Americans' love affair with Big Trucks. They just don't make any sense. Particularly the SUV's. I have been thinking about it for a while and this is the conclusion I have come up with. 1) Size of family, people with larger family need a larger vehicel to get around as a family. I look at this from personal experance. The wife has a Hundai Excel, not a bad little car, and for a family of three about right, now that we have a new baby, just getting the kids in the car is diffacult, baby seat and booster seat in the back seat of the car makes it hard to get them in and out. The more things like baby and booster seats get scrunched together, in that car the harder it is to see out the rear view mirror. Forget about storage space, for a family vacation or even a weekend trip. 2
