Re: [Re: [biofuel] Biofuel business in developing countries is published]
Hakan Bey, ncelikle gemiß olsun dileklerimi sunmak isterim, umaràm byk bir problemle karßà karßàya deÝilsinizdir. Biz yeni bir proje dahilinde biodiesel yakàt retme alàßmalaràmàzà tamamlamak zereyiz. Sizlerele konumuz dahilindeki bilgilerimizi paylaßarak daha ileri fikirler retmek isterim. Saygàlar zge SEVEN From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Re: [biofuel] Biofuel business in developing countries is published] Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 12:42:35 +0200 Dear Tejinder, Just came from the hospital and sorry if the answer is short. I would like to expand on this at a later stage. In the article http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofueldev.shtml I am saying Biofuels are local economy solutions and therefore not sensitive to world market prices, trade balances and international pricing. Biofuels will follow the relative and local models for food and labor costs. Development of a sustainable agriculture and growing energy will help each other and provide for sustainability and security. This basically means that the biofuel economy is more to compare with certain parts of construction industry, that normally are used to bridge economic cycles. This because its independence of foreign trade. Developing countries who often have an exchange rate that are low to the $ or Euro, with low production costs, should give competitive low prices for biofuels. The system that give low priced goods for developed countries, also automatically give low priced biofuels in the developing country. It is more a question of the leaders political will and independence. The latter could be a major problem, with the behavior of oil interests and developed countries that are interested in a status quo. Hakan At 12:02 AM 4/4/2003 +0550, you wrote: what would Bio Diesel cost? _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Re: [biofuel] Biofuel business in developing countries is published]
Dear Tejinder, Just came from the hospital and sorry if the answer is short. I would like to expand on this at a later stage. In the article http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofueldev.shtml I am saying Biofuels are local economy solutions and therefore not sensitive to world market prices, trade balances and international pricing. Biofuels will follow the relative and local models for food and labor costs. Development of a sustainable agriculture and growing energy will help each other and provide for sustainability and security. This basically means that the biofuel economy is more to compare with certain parts of construction industry, that normally are used to bridge economic cycles. This because its independence of foreign trade. Developing countries who often have an exchange rate that are low to the $ or Euro, with low production costs, should give competitive low prices for biofuels. The system that give low priced goods for developed countries, also automatically give low priced biofuels in the developing country. It is more a question of the leaders political will and independence. The latter could be a major problem, with the behavior of oil interests and developed countries that are interested in a status quo. Hakan At 12:02 AM 4/4/2003 +0550, you wrote: what would Bio Diesel cost? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- DVD Rentals with No Late Fees - Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ZKLNcC/pEZFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Re: [biofuel] Biofuel business in developing countries is published]
what would Bio Diesel cost? Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Attachment:Ê MIME Type:Êmultipart/alternative - Hi Hakan, sorry about the delay, but I got busy preparing a presentation that I gave last night on the Hydrogen Economy. Sadly, the overhead projector promised was not available, so it made for a rather dry and awkward evening, at least until the question and answer session, which was quite animated. I hope the surgery goes well. This time I am trying a new notation for the suggested changes. Additions will be shown like [+addition+] and deletions as [-deletion-]. I think this will make them stand out better, as some of my previous suggestions were missed. It's not easy to really make them show in simple text formatting. Let me know if you think this is an improvement. Darryl McMahon === Biofuel business in developing countries. A personal perspective. by Hakan Falk at Energy Saving Now. (energysavingnow.com) http://energysavingnow.com/ Introduction. The use of vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today. But such oils may become, in the course of time, as important as petroleum and coal tar products of the present time. Rudolph Diesel, German Engineer - 1912 To implement and introduce biofuels in the market for a developing country should be both easier and give larger benefits than for a developed country. It is certain that any country's development is to the greatest extent dependent on the availability of energy resources. Without energy it is not possible to develop the country. This document is not only aimed at helping prospective biofuel producers, but does also include information and suggestions for leaders, politicians and governmental programs. Feel free to use it, if you need it. We would of course appreciate if you keep references to Energy Saving Now http://energysavingnow.com/ and Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/. North America alone, uses close to 2 times of the total fossil fuel [-use-][+as+] in all the developing countries. The average annual discoveries of new oil reserves is now only 30% of current use. If the current suggested mixes of biofuel in fossil fuel (E10 and B20) are fully implemented in the developed countries, the saving will be the same as the developing countries total use, but only cover 15 years of expected growth in the developed countries. [-It-][+There+] is no space to develop for the developing countries, with energy from fossil fuels[-, i-[[+. I+]t [+will +]only reinforce the poverty trap. Energy is key for food, housing, production and transportation. There is nothing more important for a developing country than a good energy plan, that can be economically feasible and sustainable with growth of the activities in the country. The plan must be aimed to supply affordable energy for all aspects of society, if not, the country has no chance to escape the poverty trap. The energy supply must be resistant to disturbances of different kind[+s+]. The best model will have a diversified supply of energy sources and energy production. Central energy production and distribution[-,-] will be sensitive to social disturbances, price fixing and monopoly rule. To describe and evaluate the biofuel business opportunities in developing countries, I felt that a thorough explanation of the technologies behind it would be helpful and necessary. For preparation of this document, I enjoyed the strong support from Keith Addison's and Midori Hiraga's web site Journey to Forever (JTF) http://journeytoforever.org/, which is the most interesting and comprehensive site for Biofuels we have found. It is the only site that in depth connects sustainable agriculture and living in developing countries, with sustainable energy production. You will find many link references in this document and we are grateful for their cooperation and dedication to the issues. Availability of Fossil Fuels. This is estimated in several ways, depending on who is doing the estimates. The most usual value is Known Oil Reserves divided by Yearly Oil Production or consumption (R/P), which theoretically should give you the number of years that you can continue to produce oil. In this case there is no consideration[-s-] given to new discoveries of oil or the cost (price) to recover the oil. The value today is around 40 years. The yearly consumption today is around 30 gigabarrels and the known oil reserves around 1,000+ gigabarrels. Reserves can also include an estimate on the undiscovered oil reserves, based on geological conditions and past experiences. This is of course much more difficult. If we look at the last 7 years, the new discoveries have been 10 gigabarrels a year. Assuming that this continue, the R/P is around 80 years. The Middle East has the largest oil reserves. Iraq and
Re: [biofuel] Biofuel business in developing countries is published
Hi Hakan, sorry about the delay, but I got busy preparing a presentation that I gave last night on the Hydrogen Economy. Sadly, the overhead projector promised was not available, so it made for a rather dry and awkward evening, at least until the question and answer session, which was quite animated. I hope the surgery goes well. This time I am trying a new notation for the suggested changes. Additions will be shown like [+addition+] and deletions as [-deletion-]. I think this will make them stand out better, as some of my previous suggestions were missed. It's not easy to really make them show in simple text formatting. Let me know if you think this is an improvement. Darryl McMahon === Biofuel business in developing countries. A personal perspective. by Hakan Falk at Energy Saving Now. (energysavingnow.com) http://energysavingnow.com/ Introduction. The use of vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today. But such oils may become, in the course of time, as important as petroleum and coal tar products of the present time. Rudolph Diesel, German Engineer - 1912 To implement and introduce biofuels in the market for a developing country should be both easier and give larger benefits than for a developed country. It is certain that any country's development is to the greatest extent dependent on the availability of energy resources. Without energy it is not possible to develop the country. This document is not only aimed at helping prospective biofuel producers, but does also include information and suggestions for leaders, politicians and governmental programs. Feel free to use it, if you need it. We would of course appreciate if you keep references to Energy Saving Now http://energysavingnow.com/ and Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/. North America alone, uses close to 2 times of the total fossil fuel [-use-][+as+] in all the developing countries. The average annual discoveries of new oil reserves is now only 30% of current use. If the current suggested mixes of biofuel in fossil fuel (E10 and B20) are fully implemented in the developed countries, the saving will be the same as the developing countries total use, but only cover 15 years of expected growth in the developed countries. [-It-][+There+] is no space to develop for the developing countries, with energy from fossil fuels[-, i-[[+. I+]t [+will +]only reinforce the poverty trap. Energy is key for food, housing, production and transportation. There is nothing more important for a developing country than a good energy plan, that can be economically feasible and sustainable with growth of the activities in the country. The plan must be aimed to supply affordable energy for all aspects of society, if not, the country has no chance to escape the poverty trap. The energy supply must be resistant to disturbances of different kind[+s+]. The best model will have a diversified supply of energy sources and energy production. Central energy production and distribution[-,-] will be sensitive to social disturbances, price fixing and monopoly rule. To describe and evaluate the biofuel business opportunities in developing countries, I felt that a thorough explanation of the technologies behind it would be helpful and necessary. For preparation of this document, I enjoyed the strong support from Keith Addison's and Midori Hiraga's web site Journey to Forever (JTF) http://journeytoforever.org/, which is the most interesting and comprehensive site for Biofuels we have found. It is the only site that in depth connects sustainable agriculture and living in developing countries, with sustainable energy production. You will find many link references in this document and we are grateful for their cooperation and dedication to the issues. Availability of Fossil Fuels. This is estimated in several ways, depending on who is doing the estimates. The most usual value is Known Oil Reserves divided by Yearly Oil Production or consumption (R/P), which theoretically should give you the number of years that you can continue to produce oil. In this case there is no consideration[-s-] given to new discoveries of oil or the cost (price) to recover the oil. The value today is around 40 years. The yearly consumption today is around 30 gigabarrels and the known oil reserves around 1,000+ gigabarrels. Reserves can also include an estimate on the undiscovered oil reserves, based on geological conditions and past experiences. This is of course much more difficult. If we look at the last 7 years, the new discoveries have been 10 gigabarrels a year. Assuming that this continue, the R/P is around 80 years. The Middle East has the largest oil reserves. Iraq and Saudi Arabia have more than half of those. According to Professor Hubbert's calculations for production from finite resources, Middle East is at the moment at the peak of production capacity and will not have the capacity
Re: [biofuel] Biofuel business in developing countries is published
Sorry, that last one was meant to go just to Hakan. Darryl Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biofuel business in developing countries is published
Sorry, that last one was meant to go just to Hakan. Darryl Never mind, it's a good article, worth re-airing. To compound the error, here's the url: http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofueldev.shtml Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save Smiley. Help put Messenger back in the office. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4PqtEC/anyFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biofuel business in developing countries is published
After Darryl and Keith helped me with language, as foreigner I try to make it as good as possible, but I am really grateful and in need of help. Levent, Mauro and others came with very good comments and as it is a web publication, I am open for other valuable suggestion and changes. http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofueldev.shtml Feel free to print it, republish or refer to it. Would be producers, politicians and authorities need all info and suggestions that they can get. Luis published also his Yeast selection vs. investment levels for Ethanol production plants, which I think is valuable info. http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/ethanolyeast.shtml It is many, especially in developing countries, that read but do not post to the list. If you want to make any comments or have questions, mail me at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hakan ** If you want to take a look on a project that is very close to my heart, go to: http://energysavingnow.com/ http://hakan.vitools.net/ My .Net Card http://hakan.vitools.org/ About me http://vitools.com/ My webmaster site http://playa.nu/ Our small rental activities ** A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn't the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn't flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. -- Dresden James No flag is large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people -- Howard Zinn Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by deserting our ideals. Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul. - Unknown Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
