[biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short
In my view, it is long overdue that the EPA should improve its tests to reflect real-world mileage and not their out-of-touch lab work. http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,63413,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 Hybrid cars are hot, but not as hot as their owners, who complain that their gas mileage hasn't come close to well-advertised estimates. Don't knock the car companies for inflated claims: Experts say the blame lies with the 19-year-old EPA fuel-efficiency test that overstates hybrid performance. Pete Blackshaw was so excited about getting a hybrid gasoline-electric car that he had his wife videotape the trip to the Honda dealership to pick up his Civic Hybrid. The enthusiastic owner ordered a customized license plate with "MO MILES" on it, and started a blog about his new hybrid lifestyle. But after a few months of commuting to his job in Cincinnati, Blackshaw's hybrid euphoria vanished as his car's odometer revealed that the gas mileage he was hoping for was only a pipe dream. Honda's Civic Hybrid is rated by the EPA to get 47 miles per gallon in the city, and 48 mpg on the highway. After nearly 1,000 miles of mostly city driving, Blackshaw was getting 31.4 mpg. "I feel like a complete fraud driving around Cincinnati with a license plate that says MO MILES," says Blackshaw, who claims that after 4,000 miles his car has never gotten more than 33 mpg on any trip. The tenor of Blackshaw's blog shifted from adulation to frustration after his Honda dealer confirmed that his car was functioning properly, and that there was nothing he could do. [etc.] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short
My 2002 VW Golf TDI (stock) is getting 50 MPG on the back roads on mostly old country roads in Hills and Valleys in S.E. Ohio. I love it Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short
Bummer, my 235 ft. lbs. torque, Upsoluted 2002 Golf BioTDI is getting 45 MPG at 80+ MPH. Guess what I bought yesterday? A bumper sticker featuring Calvin p*ssing on the words, "Gas Hybrid." Want a copy? :) Ryan -Original Message- From: murdoch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short In my view, it is long overdue that the EPA should improve its tests to reflect real-world mileage and not their out-of-touch lab work. http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,63413,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 Hybrid cars are hot, but not as hot as their owners, who complain that their gas mileage hasn't come close to well-advertised estimates. Don't knock the car companies for inflated claims: Experts say the blame lies with the 19-year-old EPA fuel-efficiency test that overstates hybrid performance. Pete Blackshaw was so excited about getting a hybrid gasoline-electric car that he had his wife videotape the trip to the Honda dealership to pick up his Civic Hybrid. The enthusiastic owner ordered a customized license plate with "MO MILES" on it, and started a blog about his new hybrid lifestyle. But after a few months of commuting to his job in Cincinnati, Blackshaw's hybrid euphoria vanished as his car's odometer revealed that the gas mileage he was hoping for was only a pipe dream. Honda's Civic Hybrid is rated by the EPA to get 47 miles per gallon in the city, and 48 mpg on the highway. After nearly 1,000 miles of mostly city driving, Blackshaw was getting 31.4 mpg. "I feel like a complete fraud driving around Cincinnati with a license plate that says MO MILES," says Blackshaw, who claims that after 4,000 miles his car has never gotten more than 33 mpg on any trip. The tenor of Blackshaw's blog shifted from adulation to frustration after his Honda dealer confirmed that his car was functioning properly, and that there was nothing he could do. [etc.] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short
Heck, I put a "Got 50MPG?" sticker on my TDi Golf and I'm embarrassed, too. Because its been getting 53 MPG on road trips to my house in upstate NY. I'm so ashamed. BSEG :>) busyditch - Original Message - From: "murdoch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 3:11 AM Subject: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short > In my view, it is long overdue that the EPA should improve its tests > to reflect real-world mileage and not their out-of-touch lab work. > > http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,63413,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 > > Hybrid cars are hot, but not as hot as their owners, who complain that > their gas mileage hasn't come close to well-advertised estimates. > > Don't knock the car companies for inflated claims: Experts say the > blame lies with the 19-year-old EPA fuel-efficiency test that > overstates hybrid performance. > > Pete Blackshaw was so excited about getting a hybrid gasoline-electric > car that he had his wife videotape the trip to the Honda dealership to > pick up his Civic Hybrid. The enthusiastic owner ordered a customized > license plate with "MO MILES" on it, and started a blog about his new > hybrid lifestyle. > > But after a few months of commuting to his job in Cincinnati, > Blackshaw's hybrid euphoria vanished as his car's odometer revealed > that the gas mileage he was hoping for was only a pipe dream. Honda's > Civic Hybrid is rated by the EPA to get 47 miles per gallon in the > city, and 48 mpg on the highway. After nearly 1,000 miles of mostly > city driving, Blackshaw was getting 31.4 mpg. > > "I feel like a complete fraud driving around Cincinnati with a license > plate that says MO MILES," says Blackshaw, who claims that after 4,000 > miles his car has never gotten more than 33 mpg on any trip. The tenor > of Blackshaw's blog shifted from adulation to frustration after his > Honda dealer confirmed that his car was functioning properly, and that > there was nothing he could do. > > [etc.] > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short
My 96 Passat TDI, with a performance Upsolute chip installed for fun and power, has never gotten below 33 mpg, no matter how hard and fast I drive it in the city. Hiway is never under 45 mpg. This is an old TDI, the newer pump duece tdi's are even better, many tdi drivers get over 60 mpg on the highway. All in a car that is heavy, strong, durable and safe. Imagine if they made it like Honda and cut out 600 lbs. of weight. Chuck - Original Message - From: murdoch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 2:11 AM Subject: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short In my view, it is long overdue that the EPA should improve its tests to reflect real-world mileage and not their out-of-touch lab work. http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,63413,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 Hybrid cars are hot, but not as hot as their owners, who complain that their gas mileage hasn't come close to well-advertised estimates. Don't knock the car companies for inflated claims: Experts say the blame lies with the 19-year-old EPA fuel-efficiency test that overstates hybrid performance. Pete Blackshaw was so excited about getting a hybrid gasoline-electric car that he had his wife videotape the trip to the Honda dealership to pick up his Civic Hybrid. The enthusiastic owner ordered a customized license plate with "MO MILES" on it, and started a blog about his new hybrid lifestyle. But after a few months of commuting to his job in Cincinnati, Blackshaw's hybrid euphoria vanished as his car's odometer revealed that the gas mileage he was hoping for was only a pipe dream. Honda's Civic Hybrid is rated by the EPA to get 47 miles per gallon in the city, and 48 mpg on the highway. After nearly 1,000 miles of mostly city driving, Blackshaw was getting 31.4 mpg. "I feel like a complete fraud driving around Cincinnati with a license plate that says MO MILES," says Blackshaw, who claims that after 4,000 miles his car has never gotten more than 33 mpg on any trip. The tenor of Blackshaw's blog shifted from adulation to frustration after his Honda dealer confirmed that his car was functioning properly, and that there was nothing he could do. [etc.] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short
Ha! I was stopped at a traffic light nearby yesterday and a guy in a Ford Exploder came alongside and beeped his horn. I rolled down my window and he asked me what kind of mileage I got. I said "53 highway on long trips, @ 70MPH". He said "wanna trade?" I said NO WAY! I told him the VW TDi is the best kept secret. Its too bad people have to feel obligated to buy overstuffed g-ass guzzling land yachts because they need to keep up with their neighbors, heck the neighbors should keep up with me, I could go next door and borrow a cup of biodiesel! - Original Message - From: "Ken Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short > My 2002 VW Golf TDI (stock) is getting 50 MPG on the back roads on mostly > old country roads in Hills and Valleys in S.E. Ohio. > > I love it > > Ken > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
