Re: [biofuel] One Litre Line
as an aside, was boiling sap this weekend for maple syrup, and came across some really neat 15 gallon drums (half of a 30) labeled "dr. pepper", a semi popular soft drinks in these parts. complete with bungs and everything a 30 or 55 would have. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Darryl McMahon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:03 PM Subject: [biofuel] One Litre Line > I hope some of you can help explain to me what I have seen of late. > > I am a biodiesel novice and no chemist. I have spent a couple of months now > building my one-litre biodiesel processing "plant". This is intended to model my > plans for a larger 100-150 litre setup to come later. But I want to keep my early > mistakes small (and I make plenty to learn from). > > The reactor is a scavenged slow cooker, which does a reasonable job of keeping the > mixture at about 50 degrees C at the lowest setting. Agitation is provided by a > discarded mix master with one beater that is lowered into the cooker while attached > to a plexiglas splatter shield. The settling tank is a 1.8 litre glass jar, and > the washing tank is a 2-litre glass jar with 2 small air stones, a 5-gallon > aquarium pump, plastic tubing and a large steel washer as a weight. > > The first batch was done with fresh vegetable oil. I made the methoxide using 200 > ml of methanol and 3.5 grams of lye. The titration results were bizarre the first > time, and closer to the expected result the second time. I went with Mike Pelly's > recommended recipe for the one-litre test batch. I put the oil into the reactor, > then the methoxide. All went as expected from my reading. I allowed the mixing to > go for about an hour, then drained the lot into the settling tank. > > The separation began quite quickly, and after a couple of days there was a creamy > coloured precipitate layer at the bottom, but less than I expected. I estimate a > bit less than 10% of the total volume (say about 100 ml). Does this make sense > given it was fresh oil instead of waste oil? > > I let the batch settle for about 2 weeks, and then transferred the oil to the > washing tank, drawing the oil off from the top. I noticed at this time that there > seemed to be some "dendritic" material, almost like wisps of white cotton candy, > growing up from the sediment layer. Any ideas on what that is? > > Onto the washing. I set up the washer with the stones at the bottom of the jar, > then added about 500 ml of tap water, more or less the Idaho method, as I > understand it anyway. Then I added the oil, a little over a litre, so presumably > containing some methanol/methoxide. Before I started the bubbling, there was a > significant white layer above the water and below the oil. Reminded me of > mayonnaise. I suspect a water/methoxide reaction, as I see no visible reaction > when I mixed methanol and water for comparison. > > Oh, no vinegar used. When I was finally set to go tonight, not a drop to be found > in the house. I'll be sure to correct that before the next washing. > > After I started the bubbling, the "mayonnaise" came to look more like white > aquarium stone or rock salt. Anyway, the wash is under way now. Bubbling froth at > the top was ferocious initially, but after 20 minutes it has subsided a lot. The > mix is quite opaque and a dark cream colour now. I have had to stop the bubbling a > little after an hour, as one of the air stones has disintegrated (12 hours was > recommended). It is starting to settle out again, looks like there will be a good > pile of whitish precipitate once settling is done. > > The second batch was made from lightly used vegetable oil (to deep fry a turkey), > but has been stored for some time since then. Titration indicated 1.5 ml, so I > used 5 grams of lye (1.5 + 3.5) and 200 ml methanol. > > This batch frothed some during the stirring phase, which I did not notice with the > first batch (fresh oil). The separation started slower, but there is much more > precipitate this time (at least 25%). However, there are a few of the "dendritic" > white threads suspended in the clearer oil, apparently due to having trapped some > bubbles which are keeping them buoyant. I'm sure they'll filter out in the next > transfer. > > So, now that I actually have some experiences to report, I would also like to thank > Tom Leue for putting up with us for an afternoon last November when we brought the > snow to Massachusetts. His tour of the facility and advice were, and are, much > appreciated. >
[biofuel] One Litre Line
I hope some of you can help explain to me what I have seen of late. I am a biodiesel novice and no chemist. I have spent a couple of months now building my one-litre biodiesel processing "plant". This is intended to model my plans for a larger 100-150 litre setup to come later. But I want to keep my early mistakes small (and I make plenty to learn from). The reactor is a scavenged slow cooker, which does a reasonable job of keeping the mixture at about 50 degrees C at the lowest setting. Agitation is provided by a discarded mix master with one beater that is lowered into the cooker while attached to a plexiglas splatter shield. The settling tank is a 1.8 litre glass jar, and the washing tank is a 2-litre glass jar with 2 small air stones, a 5-gallon aquarium pump, plastic tubing and a large steel washer as a weight. The first batch was done with fresh vegetable oil. I made the methoxide using 200 ml of methanol and 3.5 grams of lye. The titration results were bizarre the first time, and closer to the expected result the second time. I went with Mike Pelly's recommended recipe for the one-litre test batch. I put the oil into the reactor, then the methoxide. All went as expected from my reading. I allowed the mixing to go for about an hour, then drained the lot into the settling tank. The separation began quite quickly, and after a couple of days there was a creamy coloured precipitate layer at the bottom, but less than I expected. I estimate a bit less than 10% of the total volume (say about 100 ml). Does this make sense given it was fresh oil instead of waste oil? I let the batch settle for about 2 weeks, and then transferred the oil to the washing tank, drawing the oil off from the top. I noticed at this time that there seemed to be some "dendritic" material, almost like wisps of white cotton candy, growing up from the sediment layer. Any ideas on what that is? Onto the washing. I set up the washer with the stones at the bottom of the jar, then added about 500 ml of tap water, more or less the Idaho method, as I understand it anyway. Then I added the oil, a little over a litre, so presumably containing some methanol/methoxide. Before I started the bubbling, there was a significant white layer above the water and below the oil. Reminded me of mayonnaise. I suspect a water/methoxide reaction, as I see no visible reaction when I mixed methanol and water for comparison. Oh, no vinegar used. When I was finally set to go tonight, not a drop to be found in the house. I'll be sure to correct that before the next washing. After I started the bubbling, the "mayonnaise" came to look more like white aquarium stone or rock salt. Anyway, the wash is under way now. Bubbling froth at the top was ferocious initially, but after 20 minutes it has subsided a lot. The mix is quite opaque and a dark cream colour now. I have had to stop the bubbling a little after an hour, as one of the air stones has disintegrated (12 hours was recommended). It is starting to settle out again, looks like there will be a good pile of whitish precipitate once settling is done. The second batch was made from lightly used vegetable oil (to deep fry a turkey), but has been stored for some time since then. Titration indicated 1.5 ml, so I used 5 grams of lye (1.5 + 3.5) and 200 ml methanol. This batch frothed some during the stirring phase, which I did not notice with the first batch (fresh oil). The separation started slower, but there is much more precipitate this time (at least 25%). However, there are a few of the "dendritic" white threads suspended in the clearer oil, apparently due to having trapped some bubbles which are keeping them buoyant. I'm sure they'll filter out in the next transfer. So, now that I actually have some experiences to report, I would also like to thank Tom Leue for putting up with us for an afternoon last November when we brought the snow to Massachusetts. His tour of the facility and advice were, and are, much appreciated. So anything you can tell me about what I have described, or any mistakes you can see I am making, please let me know. Darryl McMahon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/