[biofuel] Re: Biofuel business in developing countries is published

2003-04-09 Thread k5farms

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 After Darryl and Keith helped me with language, as foreigner I try
 to make it as good as possible, but I am really grateful and in need
 of help.
 
 Levent, Mauro and others came with very good comments and as
 it is a web publication, I am open for other valuable suggestion and
 changes.
 
 http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofueldev.shtml
 
I would like to see your diatribute start with something like:

Biofuels are usable in almost all current critical needs for 
agriculture, food processing, industry, housing, transport, water 
supplies, waste management, electricity and heating. 


Biofuels has low startup costs and are scalable. 


Biofuels are local economy solutions and therefore not sensitive to 
world market prices, trade balances and international pricing. 
Biofuels will follow the relative and local models for food and labor 
costs. Development of a sustainable agriculture and growing energy 
will help each other and provide for sustainability and security. 


Biofuels are cost-efficient, ready for use technologies that, 
together with energy saving, solar energy and electricity from wind 
generators, can give rapid relief to the mounting energy problem and 
the power to get out of the poverty trap. 


Biofuels provides for very large reduction in pollution. The 
pollution for fossil fuels or wood burning are significant today and 
biofuels will provide for rapid improvements. 


If a solution can be simple and implemented by many small producers 
with profits and employment opportunities, it is almost a crime 
against humanity not to do it as fast as possible in developing 
countries. 

intstead of the viewpoints about North America, Maybe someone is 
looking for the positive side of biofuels and already knows why they 
want to use them. Instead of your opinions and such. Put that all in 
another link and add other US bashing and that way you could check 
which links get more hits. 

Or else change the title as it sure doesn't start out about 
developing countries.



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Re: [biofuel] Re: Biofuel business in developing countries is published

2003-04-09 Thread Hakan Falk


k5farms,

I do not really understand what you are trying to tell me and
I cannot see any US bashing. I read my description of the
current situation and I think that it is without any emotional
references to US, only statements of known facts.

I am trying to explain the real situation and why it is important
to adopt biofuels in developing countries. In the fossil energy
equation it is no space for growth in developing countries, the
developed countries will take it all. To hide or trying to make
belive, that this is not the situation, would be a big disservice
to the developing countries. If only China over night started
to use energy per capita as the developed countries, the
current oil reserves would be finished in 5 years.

Hakan

At 11:20 AM 4/9/2003 +, you wrote:
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  After Darryl and Keith helped me with language, as foreigner I try
  to make it as good as possible, but I am really grateful and in need
  of help.
 
  Levent, Mauro and others came with very good comments and as
  it is a web publication, I am open for other valuable suggestion and
  changes.
 
  http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofueldev.shtml
 
I would like to see your diatribute start with something like:

Biofuels are usable in almost all current critical needs for
agriculture, food processing, industry, housing, transport, water
supplies, waste management, electricity and heating.


Biofuels has low startup costs and are scalable.


Biofuels are local economy solutions and therefore not sensitive to
world market prices, trade balances and international pricing.
Biofuels will follow the relative and local models for food and labor
costs. Development of a sustainable agriculture and growing energy
will help each other and provide for sustainability and security.


Biofuels are cost-efficient, ready for use technologies that,
together with energy saving, solar energy and electricity from wind
generators, can give rapid relief to the mounting energy problem and
the power to get out of the poverty trap.


Biofuels provides for very large reduction in pollution. The
pollution for fossil fuels or wood burning are significant today and
biofuels will provide for rapid improvements.


If a solution can be simple and implemented by many small producers
with profits and employment opportunities, it is almost a crime
against humanity not to do it as fast as possible in developing
countries.

intstead of the viewpoints about North America, Maybe someone is
looking for the positive side of biofuels and already knows why they
want to use them. Instead of your opinions and such. Put that all in
another link and add other US bashing and that way you could check
which links get more hits.

Or else change the title as it sure doesn't start out about
developing countries.




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[biofuel] Re: Biofuel business in developing countries is published

2003-04-09 Thread Keith Addison

k5farms wrote:

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  After Darryl and Keith helped me with language, as foreigner I try
  to make it as good as possible, but I am really grateful and in need
  of help.
 
  Levent, Mauro and others came with very good comments and as
  it is a web publication, I am open for other valuable suggestion and
  changes.
 
  http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofueldev.shtml
 
I would like to see your diatribute start with something like:

Biofuels are usable in almost all current critical needs for
agriculture, food processing, industry, housing, transport, water
supplies, waste management, electricity and heating.


Biofuels has low startup costs and are scalable.


Biofuels are local economy solutions and therefore not sensitive to
world market prices, trade balances and international pricing.
Biofuels will follow the relative and local models for food and labor
costs. Development of a sustainable agriculture and growing energy
will help each other and provide for sustainability and security.


Biofuels are cost-efficient, ready for use technologies that,
together with energy saving, solar energy and electricity from wind
generators, can give rapid relief to the mounting energy problem and
the power to get out of the poverty trap.


Biofuels provides for very large reduction in pollution. The
pollution for fossil fuels or wood burning are significant today and
biofuels will provide for rapid improvements.


If a solution can be simple and implemented by many small producers
with profits and employment opportunities, it is almost a crime
against humanity not to do it as fast as possible in developing
countries.

intstead of the viewpoints about North America, Maybe someone is
looking for the positive side of biofuels and already knows why they
want to use them. Instead of your opinions and such. Put that all in
another link and add other US bashing and that way you could check
which links get more hits.

Or else change the title as it sure doesn't start out about
developing countries.

It starts like this:

To implement and introduce biofuels in the market for a developing 
country should be both easier and give larger benefits than for a 
developed country.

That's not about developing countries? I'd say it makes all the right 
points very economically.

On the other hand, your proposed beginning doesn't mention developing 
countries directly until the end of the sixth paragraph - unless 
you're going to claim that development of a sustainable agriculture 
and avoiding the poverty trap are exclusively developing-country 
issues and don't apply to North America and the West.

I think it's a well-structured article and should stay as it is - 
well, I'm sure Hakan will evolve it over time, but I don't think it 
should be changed. What you dub US bashing and opinion is not 
superfluous, it's relevant, it fits in with the structure and the 
thrust of the piece, and it carries its own weight.

intstead of the viewpoints about North America, Maybe someone is
looking for the positive side of biofuels and already knows why they
want to use them. Instead of your opinions and such.

If they already know why they want to use biofuels then they already 
know the positive side, no? - and will be more likely to respond to 
your proposed beginning with I know all this already - what's this 
got to do with developing countries?

You seem to think some data about North America and energy that you 
apparently don't like puts biofuels in a negative light, but I can't 
see how you make that connection and certainly wouldn't upset a 
rationally structured article because of it.

Keith


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