[biofuel] Re: Ethanol vs. Methanol
Yes, I believe it's 200 proof (minus the small percentage of denaturing agent). The denaturing agent is usually methanol. Would a small percentage of methanol in the mix hurt the biodiesel production? David --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > denatured. is that 200 proof, and does the denaturing agent affect biodiesel > production? > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:22 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol vs. Methanol > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >Really, though, now that we know that ethanol is available why are > > we > > > >bothering with methanol? I find myself learning with methanol and > > then > > > >having to switch to ethanol for environmental advantage. > > > > > > > >Mike B > > > > > > Cost, cost, cost. I pay $3.00 a gallon for methanol in small > > quantities, > > > others are paying much less. I can't even make my own anhydrous > > > ethanol for less than $10 a gallon, and buying it from a commercial > > > producer puts you over $50 a gallon with all the tax. > >-K > > > > > > That's odd. Where do you live? I can buy denatured ethanol at my > > local hardware store for about $7 a gallon (?) I think (I'm trying to > > remember the exact price). There is no liquor tax on denatured > > ethanol, since you can't drink it. > > > > David > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Ethanol vs. Methanol
> I can buy denatured ethanol at my >local hardware store for about $7 a gallon (?) I think (I'm trying to >remember the exact price). There is no liquor tax on denatured >ethanol, since you can't drink it. > >David Unfortunately, you typically can't make biodiesel with it, either. They used to denature ethanol with just methanol, and that would work fine. Nowadays in the US you need to add not only methanol, but also a bittering agent, usually isobutyl methyl ketone, and there's usually a lot of water in there as well. As you point out, denaturing and leaving water in it makes it a LOT cheaper, but I've never been able to make biodiesel with it, after several attempts. -K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol vs. Methanol
Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: Joseph Martelle/US/GM/GMC) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol vs. Methanol Denatured means adding methanol to ethanol (10% I think) thus rendering it undrinkable. I don't know if it is anhydrous. But if not sealed tightly it becomes hydrous quickly (EtOH being very hygroscopic as is Sodium Hydroxide).Denatured alcohol would be okay to use because it is both kinds of alcohol, but you will have to account for the less EtOH in the mixture when using the ethyl esther formula. It will produce both methyl and ethyl esthers. Joe denatured. is that 200 proof, and does the denaturing agent affect biodiesel production? Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:22 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol vs. Methanol > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >Really, though, now that we know that ethanol is available why are > we > > >bothering with methanol? I find myself learning with methanol and > then > > >having to switch to ethanol for environmental advantage. > > > > > >Mike B > > > > Cost, cost, cost. I pay $3.00 a gallon for methanol in small > quantities, > > others are paying much less. I can't even make my own anhydrous > > ethanol for less than $10 a gallon, and buying it from a commercial > > producer puts you over $50 a gallon with all the tax. >-K > > > That's odd. Where do you live? I can buy denatured ethanol at my > local hardware store for about $7 a gallon (?) I think (I'm trying to > remember the exact price). There is no liquor tax on denatured > ethanol, since you can't drink it. > > David > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol vs. Methanol
denatured. is that 200 proof, and does the denaturing agent affect biodiesel production? Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:22 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol vs. Methanol > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >Really, though, now that we know that ethanol is available why are > we > > >bothering with methanol? I find myself learning with methanol and > then > > >having to switch to ethanol for environmental advantage. > > > > > >Mike B > > > > Cost, cost, cost. I pay $3.00 a gallon for methanol in small > quantities, > > others are paying much less. I can't even make my own anhydrous > > ethanol for less than $10 a gallon, and buying it from a commercial > > producer puts you over $50 a gallon with all the tax. >-K > > > That's odd. Where do you live? I can buy denatured ethanol at my > local hardware store for about $7 a gallon (?) I think (I'm trying to > remember the exact price). There is no liquor tax on denatured > ethanol, since you can't drink it. > > David > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Ethanol vs. Methanol
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Really, though, now that we know that ethanol is available why are we > >bothering with methanol? I find myself learning with methanol and then > >having to switch to ethanol for environmental advantage. > > > >Mike B > > Cost, cost, cost. I pay $3.00 a gallon for methanol in small quantities, > others are paying much less. I can't even make my own anhydrous > ethanol for less than $10 a gallon, and buying it from a commercial > producer puts you over $50 a gallon with all the tax. -K That's odd. Where do you live? I can buy denatured ethanol at my local hardware store for about $7 a gallon (?) I think (I'm trying to remember the exact price). There is no liquor tax on denatured ethanol, since you can't drink it. David Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
