Re: [biofuel] Re: Some choice Was: The Future of Fuel-Efficient Cars /The Thirst for Oil
- Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Some choice Was: The Future of Fuel-Efficient Cars /The Thirst for Oil csakima wrote: But now, arbitrarily set gasoline to ... say $20 bucks a gallon. Now what? I don't see the choices getting any better or am I missing something??? Curtis Double the price of gasoline, and I can economically electrolyze water into hydrogen and oxygen from grid hydro power. I can easily convert my machines to burn hydrogen, but it's more expensive to produce than gasoline is to buy at current prices, so I haven't made the investment. A kilogram of H2 has roughly the same energy as a gallon of gasoline, and with a decent electrolyzer would cost me $3.18 per kilo before compression, and probably $3.25 by the time it was ready to use. Right now, at .65 per liter, the price for a gallon of gasoline is $2.46. It doesn't have to get much more expensive for H2 to be a viable fuel with inexpensive hydro electricity. The problem is not the price of fuel. The problem is the price of land! There just isn't the hydro power available for that, not without huge decreases in present consumption anyway. The price of land is set by supply and demand. The demand is set by the city wage level. If you could reduce the wages then people would move away and the price of land would fall. I have many times seen people claiming higher wages because they cannot afford to buy a house, when in fact it is the wage level that pushes up the house prices. Malcolm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Some choice Was: The Future of Fuel-Efficient Cars / The Thirst for Oil
But now, arbitrarily set gasoline to ... say $20 bucks a gallon. Now what? I don't see the choices getting any better or am I missing something??? Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: malcolm.scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes of course they are choices, and ones that people are making all the time. There are probably many reasons for the increasing commuting mileage, but two are: People find higher paid jobs further away and don't want to move. People find lower cost housing further away and don't want to change jobs. Not only is the mileage per person increasing but the fuel consumption per vehicle is also. These things are encouraged by the very low cost of fuel. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Some choice Was: The Future of Fuel-Efficient Cars /The Thirst for Oil
csakima wrote: But now, arbitrarily set gasoline to ... say $20 bucks a gallon. Now what? I don't see the choices getting any better or am I missing something??? Curtis Double the price of gasoline, and I can economically electrolyze water into hydrogen and oxygen from grid hydro power. I can easily convert my machines to burn hydrogen, but it's more expensive to produce than gasoline is to buy at current prices, so I haven't made the investment. A kilogram of H2 has roughly the same energy as a gallon of gasoline, and with a decent electrolyzer would cost me $3.18 per kilo before compression, and probably $3.25 by the time it was ready to use. Right now, at .65 per liter, the price for a gallon of gasoline is $2.46. It doesn't have to get much more expensive for H2 to be a viable fuel with inexpensive hydro electricity. The problem is not the price of fuel. The problem is the price of land! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
