RE: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages
I agree with you John and your comment on Steve. Doug -Original Message- From: John Brewer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 6:10 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages Steve I have been lurking here four several months, I thought your replies were both helpful and polite. So don't worry about it, the angry people of the world will have to live with their own misery. John Brewer Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages
please unsubscribe me. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages
Thank you. I try. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "John Brewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages > Steve > > I have been lurking here four several months, I thought your replies were > both helpful and polite. > > So don't worry about it, the angry people of the world will have to live > with their own misery. > > John Brewer > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > www. > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages
Steve I have been lurking here four several months, I thought your replies were both helpful and polite. So don't worry about it, the angry people of the world will have to live with their own misery. John Brewer Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages
Dear all Again, my apologies for all this stuff, and many, many thanks for your tolerance, your input and your support. For the sake of cutting OT content and bringing this thread to an end, I'm writing off-list to some of those who posted responses. Thanks again to you all for your patience and help. I think we'll all probably agree with Ed Beggs' summing up, so I'll repeat it here: >We will have to tolerate the messages. Just keep sending them the macro and >eveyone else PLEASE just delete the unsubscribe requests. Do not respond to >the list and add more clutter, a number have tried to help these foks (me >included) and all it does is create more problems, it seems. After enough >macros from Keith they will eventually figure it out. Okay? There doesn't seem to be any way to stop it happening, so please just ignore unsubscribe messages sent to the list, just delete them, I'll deal with it, it's my job after all, no need to waste your time. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ List owner Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages
Keith: Send autoreply. Do not let them get the best of you or you will be doing the unsubscribes manually, forever, for people who are too lazy or too dumb to figure out how use the "copy and paste" function on their computers. Every one who uses a computer needs to learn this, it has all sorts of uses, and certainly prevents incorrect spelling. We will have to tolerate the messages. Just keep sending them the macro and eveyone else PLEASE just delete the unsubscribe requests. Do not respond to the list and add more clutter, a number have tried to help these foks (me included) and all it does is create more problems, it seems. After enough macros from Keith they will eventually figure it out. 2 cents worth. Ed B. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages
Keith - you have only so much time left in this world - why waste it? We have had enough problems with time-wasters in the past - ditch them by the fastest possible means. Re Volvo and the Olsson report - the matter has been referred to the Environment Committee, Sweden, by Volvo UK and I am awaiting results and re-vamping of their retraction - the first version was quite unapologetic, despite the fact that editors who have used the story lay themselves open to complaints to the Press Complaints Commission - or the equivalent. I wonder how many "suscribers" to this panel actually did anything about it? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages
--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, top o' the weekend to you > > Sorry to impose, but I need a bit of feedback, or > something. > > I'm a bit upset because I received some deeply nasty > emails about the > apparently abominable way I treated Marie Miller, > who couldn't > unsubscribe and kept sending "please unsuscribe me" > [sic] notes to > the list. I am sorry that my message got you flammed Mr Addison. But, how do we know that it wasn't someone that was trying to be an idiot, or pulling a prank to start with. What i mean is, people send emails everyday that go along the lines of, if you don't send this to 50 million others, you will be cursed for life. I have been deleting these type of emails for the past 10 years now that I have been around the internet. (ok, so I am exagerating here a bit, but it still proves my point, i think). Any ways, like I said, maybe it was someone just trying to be a pain, or someone that likes the attention of the way that Ms Miller had just received. Its a weird and complicated world out there sometimes. ;-) Just my 2 cents if anyone really cares. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages
Keith, I'm with you on this one. But I would build another macro that'll do it for you based on the subject line(if that's possible -- I don't know). I think you MAY have been a bit sarcastic in one or two instances, but nowhere NEAR what they would have gotten from me! >"...but heavens, if these folks > have got the gorm to subscribe themselves in the first place, surely > they can manage to unsubscribe themselves too?" I agree 100%. I get a bit annoyed with that facet myself--they must be too lazy to figure out for themselves how to get off the list; I doubt that it's inexperience--if that were the case, I don't think they could find this list in the firstplace, much less subscribe. Still, I suppose it IS possible Anyway, don't feel bad for your treatment of them I thought it was quite fair under the circumstances and It's too bad there are so many idiots left to their own devices in this world, and you obviously just encountered a few of them. -Tim Z :) - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 3:39 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages > Hello all, top o' the weekend to you > > Sorry to impose, but I need a bit of feedback, or something. > > I'm a bit upset because I received some deeply nasty emails about the > apparently abominable way I treated Marie Miller, who couldn't > unsubscribe and kept sending "please unsuscribe me" [sic] notes to > the list. > > The first letter, from a non-lister, was most rude and insulting, > basically accusing me of sarcasm for my comment on Marie's > misspelling, of "wise-ass" comments, being a know-it-all, not knowing > how to run a list and so on, with a fair measure of personal insult > thrown in. At the bottom was a copy of part of an email from a lister > (new member, posted one message I think), copying part of my last > message to Marie and pointing out my sarcasm. Prolly I should've > ignored it, but I'm not used to getting such spew and responded, > direct enough but without rudeness or insults, saying I wasn't being > sarcastic, she'd misspelled "unsubscribe" every time, and I wasn't > the first to point it out. I cc'd the reply to the list member who'd > made the original comment to this person. > > Then I got a broadside from both of them, a really disgusting tirade > from the non-lister, full of personal attack and obscenity on my > handling of the list, and saying she'd paid a visit to the Journey to > Forever website and it was a lot of *&[EMAIL PROTECTED] and so am I, it's > people > like me who cause all the trouble in the world and so on and on. Yuk. > Felt like going and spraying the website with disinfectant. > > Anyway, it included this point: why hadn't I just unsubscribed Marie, > or did I "get my jollies grinding her like that". > > The lister meanwhile saw fit to tell me that he agrees with her, I'm > too curt with list members and so on. > > I replied to both, the first got five words, which seems to have shut > her up at least (I hope), the second got a short response, again > direct enough but without any of the gratuitous rudeness I was > receiving, and asking why he'd started it. He replied, accusing me of > insulting him, denying he'd started anything (though his first note > said he had), generally telling me I'm an idiot and telling me not to > contact him again. I sent a one-word reply to the last bit saying > "same", but had it returned: "not accepting mail from this sender". > One way of having the last word I guess. Suits me. > > So that's that. Leaves a nasty taste in my mouth, but I guess these > things happen. > > Anyway, there's the point about why hadn't I unsubscribed Marie, and > this general continuing problem of people who can't unsubscribe > themselves and send their "unsubscribe" messages to the list. As I'm > sure we've all noticed by now, it keeps on happening. Finally I made > a macro that writes an auto-reply: > > "You have to do that yourself. The unsubscribe address is in every message: > List-Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > In fact the unsubscribe address appears twice in every message. > > It happens so often that one starts doubting the thing works, but it > does work - three listers have recently tested it. I get unsubscribe > notifications from Yahoo every day (more subscribes though). > > It's not just here, it happens to most of the lists I'm on, but I > must say that they get the kindest treatment here - on other lists &g
Re: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages
if people are too stupid to follow clear instructions, they have no business using a computer. they could always go log on http://groups.yahoo.com and change their subscription interests as well. if they can sign up, they can go away on their own as well. good riddance. I personally had many private emails with Marie, and she still couldn't spell unsubscribe even when I made it plain for her. as to the lister that abused you? that person should be banned. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 3:39 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages > Hello all, top o' the weekend to you > > Sorry to impose, but I need a bit of feedback, or something. > > I'm a bit upset because I received some deeply nasty emails about the > apparently abominable way I treated Marie Miller, who couldn't > unsubscribe and kept sending "please unsuscribe me" [sic] notes to > the list. > > The first letter, from a non-lister, was most rude and insulting, > basically accusing me of sarcasm for my comment on Marie's > misspelling, of "wise-ass" comments, being a know-it-all, not knowing > how to run a list and so on, with a fair measure of personal insult > thrown in. At the bottom was a copy of part of an email from a lister > (new member, posted one message I think), copying part of my last > message to Marie and pointing out my sarcasm. Prolly I should've > ignored it, but I'm not used to getting such spew and responded, > direct enough but without rudeness or insults, saying I wasn't being > sarcastic, she'd misspelled "unsubscribe" every time, and I wasn't > the first to point it out. I cc'd the reply to the list member who'd > made the original comment to this person. > > Then I got a broadside from both of them, a really disgusting tirade > from the non-lister, full of personal attack and obscenity on my > handling of the list, and saying she'd paid a visit to the Journey to > Forever website and it was a lot of *&[EMAIL PROTECTED] and so am I, it's > people > like me who cause all the trouble in the world and so on and on. Yuk. > Felt like going and spraying the website with disinfectant. > > Anyway, it included this point: why hadn't I just unsubscribed Marie, > or did I "get my jollies grinding her like that". > > The lister meanwhile saw fit to tell me that he agrees with her, I'm > too curt with list members and so on. > > I replied to both, the first got five words, which seems to have shut > her up at least (I hope), the second got a short response, again > direct enough but without any of the gratuitous rudeness I was > receiving, and asking why he'd started it. He replied, accusing me of > insulting him, denying he'd started anything (though his first note > said he had), generally telling me I'm an idiot and telling me not to > contact him again. I sent a one-word reply to the last bit saying > "same", but had it returned: "not accepting mail from this sender". > One way of having the last word I guess. Suits me. > > So that's that. Leaves a nasty taste in my mouth, but I guess these > things happen. > > Anyway, there's the point about why hadn't I unsubscribed Marie, and > this general continuing problem of people who can't unsubscribe > themselves and send their "unsubscribe" messages to the list. As I'm > sure we've all noticed by now, it keeps on happening. Finally I made > a macro that writes an auto-reply: > > "You have to do that yourself. The unsubscribe address is in every message: > List-Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > In fact the unsubscribe address appears twice in every message. > > It happens so often that one starts doubting the thing works, but it > does work - three listers have recently tested it. I get unsubscribe > notifications from Yahoo every day (more subscribes though). > > It's not just here, it happens to most of the lists I'm on, but I > must say that they get the kindest treatment here - on other lists > they either get ignored or get a real shellacking. Here they get > helped. I've never seen them get a blasting for it. > > So why don't I just unsubscribe them as they ask?
Re: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages
Keep up the good work Keith. I am on multiple lists and this is a recurrent problem on all of them. Some of the moderators do unsubscribe the list subscriber, saying in the long run it is less aggravation. However, I tend to agree with your viewpoint that if they managed to get subscribed, they should be able to figure out how to get off the list. It continues to amaze me how many people can receive the messages and not notice the unsubscribe notice at the bottom. I think you handled it all very appropriately. I know what you mean about the bad taste in your mouth about the situation. However, you have my support, and just move on. You run a good list and I vote for you as Best List Moderator of the year. Derek W. Hargis [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:39 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages
Hello all, top o' the weekend to you Sorry to impose, but I need a bit of feedback, or something. I'm a bit upset because I received some deeply nasty emails about the apparently abominable way I treated Marie Miller, who couldn't unsubscribe and kept sending "please unsuscribe me" [sic] notes to the list. The first letter, from a non-lister, was most rude and insulting, basically accusing me of sarcasm for my comment on Marie's misspelling, of "wise-ass" comments, being a know-it-all, not knowing how to run a list and so on, with a fair measure of personal insult thrown in. At the bottom was a copy of part of an email from a lister (new member, posted one message I think), copying part of my last message to Marie and pointing out my sarcasm. Prolly I should've ignored it, but I'm not used to getting such spew and responded, direct enough but without rudeness or insults, saying I wasn't being sarcastic, she'd misspelled "unsubscribe" every time, and I wasn't the first to point it out. I cc'd the reply to the list member who'd made the original comment to this person. Then I got a broadside from both of them, a really disgusting tirade from the non-lister, full of personal attack and obscenity on my handling of the list, and saying she'd paid a visit to the Journey to Forever website and it was a lot of *&[EMAIL PROTECTED] and so am I, it's people like me who cause all the trouble in the world and so on and on. Yuk. Felt like going and spraying the website with disinfectant. Anyway, it included this point: why hadn't I just unsubscribed Marie, or did I "get my jollies grinding her like that". The lister meanwhile saw fit to tell me that he agrees with her, I'm too curt with list members and so on. I replied to both, the first got five words, which seems to have shut her up at least (I hope), the second got a short response, again direct enough but without any of the gratuitous rudeness I was receiving, and asking why he'd started it. He replied, accusing me of insulting him, denying he'd started anything (though his first note said he had), generally telling me I'm an idiot and telling me not to contact him again. I sent a one-word reply to the last bit saying "same", but had it returned: "not accepting mail from this sender". One way of having the last word I guess. Suits me. So that's that. Leaves a nasty taste in my mouth, but I guess these things happen. Anyway, there's the point about why hadn't I unsubscribed Marie, and this general continuing problem of people who can't unsubscribe themselves and send their "unsubscribe" messages to the list. As I'm sure we've all noticed by now, it keeps on happening. Finally I made a macro that writes an auto-reply: "You have to do that yourself. The unsubscribe address is in every message: List-Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" In fact the unsubscribe address appears twice in every message. It happens so often that one starts doubting the thing works, but it does work - three listers have recently tested it. I get unsubscribe notifications from Yahoo every day (more subscribes though). It's not just here, it happens to most of the lists I'm on, but I must say that they get the kindest treatment here - on other lists they either get ignored or get a real shellacking. Here they get helped. I've never seen them get a blasting for it. So why don't I just unsubscribe them as they ask? Well, why should I? It takes time, I've got better things to do. I'll help little old ladies across the street or whatever, but heavens, if these folks have got the gorm to subscribe themselves in the first place, surely they can manage to unsubscribe themselves too? Well, I did unsubscribe Marie Miller, mainly because I was thoroughly sick of the whole thing, but I don't plan to make a habit of it - it's a special case, not setting a precedent. What does the list think, please? Should I unsubscribe these people? Any thoughts on what if anything to do about these constant "unsubscribe" messages to the list? I should add that very few of these people ever contribute anything, if that's relevant at all. Marie contributed one message, a question, about energy from horse manure. She got four or five useful responses, but didn't reply, and that was all. (Which is NOT to say that anyone isn't most welcome to lurk to their heart's content - lurkers, feel free!) For the record, there's a list of the postings about Marie and her unsubscribe difficulties below, including my abominable response. When she posted her first "unsunscribe" [sic] message I sent her an auto-reply. Very glad of any input on this problem. Sorry to ask. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ List owner Marie Miller - "marie miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscribed 28 Feb 2001 Posted one on-topic message. From: "marie miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04 May 2001 19:24:42 Subject: Re: [biofuel]
