Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel
he wasn't discussing biofuel for resale. astm standards are difficult for home made fuels, and certifications are expensive. home made fuel made to our directions will not hurt an engine. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel > Ken, > I dont agree. The manufacturing process is fairly simple and is not > expensive to set up. I believe all biodiesel that is being SOLD should be > filtered and to an acceptable standard. What I wish to see here is not the > exclusion of the small person but the exclusion of substandard manufacturing > plant such as rusty drums, laundry tubs, and other grossly inferior > equipment and materials which will lead to greatly inferior standards. For > the sake of the industry some minimum standards are required. How would you > feel if you just bought an expensive vehicle (remember vehicles in third > world countries while they may be cheap by standards in developed countries > still represent a heavy investment), and you then used biodiesel you > purchased in good faith but which was grossly inferior which lead to the > breakdown and damage to the motor? If the seller was able to walk away > saying "its not my fault he shouldnt have bought it in the first place" I > can tell you that you would feel pretty ripped off. For this reason minimum > standards are required. I agree with you when manufacturing for your own use > the standards dont have to be as high, but for onsale an acceptable standard > must apply. > B.r., David > > > - Original Message - > From: Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:01 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel > > > > David Reid writes: > > > > >...At the same time I believe anyone who > > >is manufacturing and selling for profit should have a moral and legal > > >responsibility to produce and provide biodiesel to an acceptable > standard. > > >This is why I would like to see any manufacturer anywhere bound by > minimum > > >legal standards which can be upheld and enforced. > > > > That's why I'd rather not go for profit -- let the corporations do > > that, they're > > going to make the government regulate the hell out of it anyway (for their > own > > benefit, of course!) We little people can stick with co-ops, pooling our > own > > resources and labor to get cheap fuel for our own use. Any bigger than > that > > and we'll be squashed.-K > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel
Bravo! Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "Ken Provost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel > David Reid writes: > > >...At the same time I believe anyone who > >is manufacturing and selling for profit should have a moral and legal > >responsibility to produce and provide biodiesel to an acceptable standard. > >This is why I would like to see any manufacturer anywhere bound by minimum > >legal standards which can be upheld and enforced. > > That's why I'd rather not go for profit -- let the corporations do > that, they're > going to make the government regulate the hell out of it anyway (for their own > benefit, of course!) We little people can stick with co-ops, pooling our own > resources and labor to get cheap fuel for our own use. Any bigger than that > and we'll be squashed.-K > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel
Ken, I dont agree. The manufacturing process is fairly simple and is not expensive to set up. I believe all biodiesel that is being SOLD should be filtered and to an acceptable standard. What I wish to see here is not the exclusion of the small person but the exclusion of substandard manufacturing plant such as rusty drums, laundry tubs, and other grossly inferior equipment and materials which will lead to greatly inferior standards. For the sake of the industry some minimum standards are required. How would you feel if you just bought an expensive vehicle (remember vehicles in third world countries while they may be cheap by standards in developed countries still represent a heavy investment), and you then used biodiesel you purchased in good faith but which was grossly inferior which lead to the breakdown and damage to the motor? If the seller was able to walk away saying "its not my fault he shouldnt have bought it in the first place" I can tell you that you would feel pretty ripped off. For this reason minimum standards are required. I agree with you when manufacturing for your own use the standards dont have to be as high, but for onsale an acceptable standard must apply. B.r., David - Original Message - From: Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel > David Reid writes: > > >...At the same time I believe anyone who > >is manufacturing and selling for profit should have a moral and legal > >responsibility to produce and provide biodiesel to an acceptable standard. > >This is why I would like to see any manufacturer anywhere bound by minimum > >legal standards which can be upheld and enforced. > > That's why I'd rather not go for profit -- let the corporations do > that, they're > going to make the government regulate the hell out of it anyway (for their own > benefit, of course!) We little people can stick with co-ops, pooling our own > resources and labor to get cheap fuel for our own use. Any bigger than that > and we'll be squashed.-K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel
David Reid writes: >...At the same time I believe anyone who >is manufacturing and selling for profit should have a moral and legal >responsibility to produce and provide biodiesel to an acceptable standard. >This is why I would like to see any manufacturer anywhere bound by minimum >legal standards which can be upheld and enforced. That's why I'd rather not go for profit -- let the corporations do that, they're going to make the government regulate the hell out of it anyway (for their own benefit, of course!) We little people can stick with co-ops, pooling our own resources and labor to get cheap fuel for our own use. Any bigger than that and we'll be squashed.-K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
