Re: [biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil
I have no experience with that engine. All the tests and experience's we have had, and those of our R&D team at Greasel, indicate there are no concerns with DI engines. This is after much discussion with injector pump manufacturers, combustion professionals, and engine designers. The key is starting on biodiesel (or diesel), getting the WVO to 170F before switchover, and flushing with biodiesel (or diesel) at shutdown. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Gary Gluyas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil > Steve > > Obviously you are doing it! - I'd like to ask you a question or two. > > And anyone else who may have the time? thanks. > > What is your opinion on Direct Injection - say a 3 cylinder Ford Dexta (circa 1958) tractor running WVO for electricity generation - PROVIDING of course the WVO tank is heated? > > Gary > - Original Message - > From: Steve Spence > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil > > > You will hear much about how TDI's can'/shouldn't run on WVO, usually from > those who have never done it. We beg to differ, and have been running them > for 2 years now, The dissidents will tell you 2 years (and over 50k miles) > is not a long enough time period to tall, but fail to indicate what mileage > they would accept as proof. Meanwhile, we keep driving. In the interests of > peace and love, any non-direct injected engine will work wonderfully if the > oil is heated properly (there is disagreement on what "properly" means as > well). > > US kit makers include: > > greasel (which we sell) > greasecar > greasemonkey (seems to have disappeared) > > Canada has Neoteric. > > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter > & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: > http://www.green-trust.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:36 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge regarding what small diesels > run best on used veggie oil. I have read much information on the > controversy about DI engines and their ability to run properly and long-term > on WVO. Does anyone have any first hand experience with this? I am also > looking into older mercedes (S-class in particular) along with newer VW > TDI's and older VW's. I've heard that mercedes engines can almost run on > lard. > > > > Also, there are a slew of conversion kits out there, mostly from Europe - > any recommendations? > > > > Thanks in advance and cheers, > > > > -- Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an emai
Re: [biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil
Steve: You asked for an answer on this once before, I missed reading your query until the moment had already passed - so here is my opinion on what needs to be shown, to really show that the TDI's are fine on SVO, no matter how you do it... Ten TDI's, 250,000 km+, no more than one failure. Then you will have a convert here. Why so high? - Literature review (reading studies of actual scientific testing) indicates that even with heating of the SVO, problems will be much more likely to occur than on IDI. - Typical TDI engine life would be at least that, with probably one in ten or fewer failures before 300,000 km. Once again, the question is not resolved by whether you have "tried it" or not. I do not doubt that some kits have been aggressively sold to trusting TDI owners and their engines have run for a few years on grease, soy, etc. I'm not convinced it is a good practice, and we still discourage it, even though it costs us sales. what is it now for mileage?...certainly no where near what has been done on biodiesel testing, not even close at all to diesel testing. So, once again, the results to date are preliminary, and do not remove the results that have been noted over and over about use in DI engines, especially small displacement engines, in a number of studies, the most relevant one still being the ACREVO study. Edward Beggs Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Monday, March 24, 2003, at 05:37 PM, Gary Gluyas wrote: > Steve > > Obviously you are doing it! - I'd like to ask you a question or two. > > And anyone else who may have the time? thanks. > > What is your opinion on Direct Injection - say a 3 cylinder Ford Dexta > (circa 1958) tractor running WVO for electricity generation - > PROVIDING of course the WVO tank is heated? > > Gary > - Original Message - > From: Steve Spence > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil > > > You will hear much about how TDI's can'/shouldn't run on WVO, > usually from > those who have never done it. We beg to differ, and have been > running them > for 2 years now, The dissidents will tell you 2 years (and over 50k > miles) > is not a long enough time period to tall, but fail to indicate what > mileage > they would accept as proof. Meanwhile, we keep driving. In the > interests of > peace and love, any non-direct injected engine will work wonderfully > if the > oil is heated properly (there is disagreement on what "properly" > means as > well). > > US kit makers include: > > greasel (which we sell) > greasecar > greasemonkey (seems to have disappeared) > > Canada has Neoteric. > > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter > & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: > http://www.green-trust.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message - > From: "Ben Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:36 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil > > >> >> I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge regarding what small >> diesels > run best on used veggie oil. I have read much information on the > controversy about DI engines and their ability to run properly and > long-term > on WVO. Does anyone have any first hand experience with this? I am > also > looking into older mercedes (S-class in particular) along with newer > VW > TDI's and older VW's. I've heard that mercedes engines can almost > run on > lard. >> >> Also, there are a slew of conversion kits out there, mostly from >> Europe - > any recommendations? >> >> Thanks in advance and cheers, >> >> -- Ben >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Biofuels list archives: >> http://archive.nnytech.net/ >> >> Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor &
Re: [biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil
Steve Obviously you are doing it! - I'd like to ask you a question or two. And anyone else who may have the time? thanks. What is your opinion on Direct Injection - say a 3 cylinder Ford Dexta (circa 1958) tractor running WVO for electricity generation - PROVIDING of course the WVO tank is heated? Gary - Original Message - From: Steve Spence To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil You will hear much about how TDI's can'/shouldn't run on WVO, usually from those who have never done it. We beg to differ, and have been running them for 2 years now, The dissidents will tell you 2 years (and over 50k miles) is not a long enough time period to tall, but fail to indicate what mileage they would accept as proof. Meanwhile, we keep driving. In the interests of peace and love, any non-direct injected engine will work wonderfully if the oil is heated properly (there is disagreement on what "properly" means as well). US kit makers include: greasel (which we sell) greasecar greasemonkey (seems to have disappeared) Canada has Neoteric. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Ben Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: [biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil > > I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge regarding what small diesels run best on used veggie oil. I have read much information on the controversy about DI engines and their ability to run properly and long-term on WVO. Does anyone have any first hand experience with this? I am also looking into older mercedes (S-class in particular) along with newer VW TDI's and older VW's. I've heard that mercedes engines can almost run on lard. > > Also, there are a slew of conversion kits out there, mostly from Europe - any recommendations? > > Thanks in advance and cheers, > > -- Ben > > > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil
Steve Obviously you are doing it! - I'd like to ask you a question or two. What is your opinion on Direct Injection - say a 3 cylinder Ford Dexta (circa 1958) tractor running WVO for electricity generation - PROVIDING of course the WVO tank is heated? Gary - Original Message - From: Steve Spence To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil You will hear much about how TDI's can'/shouldn't run on WVO, usually from those who have never done it. We beg to differ, and have been running them for 2 years now, The dissidents will tell you 2 years (and over 50k miles) is not a long enough time period to tall, but fail to indicate what mileage they would accept as proof. Meanwhile, we keep driving. In the interests of peace and love, any non-direct injected engine will work wonderfully if the oil is heated properly (there is disagreement on what "properly" means as well). US kit makers include: greasel (which we sell) greasecar greasemonkey (seems to have disappeared) Canada has Neoteric. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Ben Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: [biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil > > I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge regarding what small diesels run best on used veggie oil. I have read much information on the controversy about DI engines and their ability to run properly and long-term on WVO. Does anyone have any first hand experience with this? I am also looking into older mercedes (S-class in particular) along with newer VW TDI's and older VW's. I've heard that mercedes engines can almost run on lard. > > Also, there are a slew of conversion kits out there, mostly from Europe - any recommendations? > > Thanks in advance and cheers, > > -- Ben > > > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil
You will hear much about how TDI's can'/shouldn't run on WVO, usually from those who have never done it. We beg to differ, and have been running them for 2 years now, The dissidents will tell you 2 years (and over 50k miles) is not a long enough time period to tall, but fail to indicate what mileage they would accept as proof. Meanwhile, we keep driving. In the interests of peace and love, any non-direct injected engine will work wonderfully if the oil is heated properly (there is disagreement on what "properly" means as well). US kit makers include: greasel (which we sell) greasecar greasemonkey (seems to have disappeared) Canada has Neoteric. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Ben Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: [biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil > > I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge regarding what small diesels run best on used veggie oil. I have read much information on the controversy about DI engines and their ability to run properly and long-term on WVO. Does anyone have any first hand experience with this? I am also looking into older mercedes (S-class in particular) along with newer VW TDI's and older VW's. I've heard that mercedes engines can almost run on lard. > > Also, there are a slew of conversion kits out there, mostly from Europe - any recommendations? > > Thanks in advance and cheers, > > -- Ben > > > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Various Diesels and Waste Veggie Oil
I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge regarding what small diesels run best on used veggie oil. I have read much information on the controversy about DI engines and their ability to run properly and long-term on WVO. Does anyone have any first hand experience with this? I am also looking into older mercedes (S-class in particular) along with newer VW TDI's and older VW's. I've heard that mercedes engines can almost run on lard. Also, there are a slew of conversion kits out there, mostly from Europe - any recommendations? Thanks in advance and cheers, -- Ben - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
