Re: [biofuel] ethanol mixtures
great, thanks for the tips. i won't continue to mix after the 55 galls in used up, so I don't anticipate any short-term problems with the low mixtures. Ed, I have tried to make biodiesel with the ethanol about 10 times with no success. I am assuming it has to do with water content in the ethanol and I have switched to methanol. at some point I would like to try to squeeze the last bit of water out with 3A zeolite, but I don't have the $$ to do it right now, nor a way to re-activite it at 300-350 deg C. cheers, Jack oh yeah, quick follow up question for anyone with knowledge of engines... a good chunk of our gasoline use is in 4-stroke Mercury outboard engines in our boats. I assume that the 10% ethanol would be suitable for this as well? Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: bratt To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] ethanol mixtures There are two more important consideraations when using ethanol or methanol mixtures in gasoline. One is the corossive nature of alcohol and its effect on seals, gaskets and hoses. There is also mild corrosion of aluminum. Limiting the mix ratio keeps it minimal. The other is that addition of alcohol or methanol will raise the octane rating, however, after reaching a certain point, adding more will drop the octane reading, according to the lab at the local refinery. I did not get figures, but If I were using up 55 gallons, I would use it in a 10 per cent solution, just like the local gas station pumps. EdB - Original Message - From: Jack Kenworthy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: [biofuel] ethanol mixtures can anyone tell me the maximum amount of ethanol that you can blend with gasoline and burn in an unmodified gasoline engine? I have a 55 gall drum of ethanol lying around that I can't make biodiesel with and I am looking for a suitable use. thanks. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ethanol mixtures
I would check with a Mercury dealer before using ethanol, to see if they have had any problens with seals, hoses, etc. It might depend upon the date of manufacture. EdB - Original Message - From: Jack Kenworthy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] ethanol mixtures great, thanks for the tips. i won't continue to mix after the 55 galls in used up, so I don't anticipate any short-term problems with the low mixtures. Ed, I have tried to make biodiesel with the ethanol about 10 times with no success. I am assuming it has to do with water content in the ethanol and I have switched to methanol. at some point I would like to try to squeeze the last bit of water out with 3A zeolite, but I don't have the $$ to do it right now, nor a way to re-activite it at 300-350 deg C. cheers, Jack oh yeah, quick follow up question for anyone with knowledge of engines... a good chunk of our gasoline use is in 4-stroke Mercury outboard engines in our boats. I assume that the 10% ethanol would be suitable for this as well? Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: bratt To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] ethanol mixtures There are two more important consideraations when using ethanol or methanol mixtures in gasoline. One is the corossive nature of alcohol and its effect on seals, gaskets and hoses. There is also mild corrosion of aluminum. Limiting the mix ratio keeps it minimal. The other is that addition of alcohol or methanol will raise the octane rating, however, after reaching a certain point, adding more will drop the octane reading, according to the lab at the local refinery. I did not get figures, but If I were using up 55 gallons, I would use it in a 10 per cent solution, just like the local gas station pumps. EdB - Original Message - From: Jack Kenworthy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: [biofuel] ethanol mixtures can anyone tell me the maximum amount of ethanol that you can blend with gasoline and burn in an unmodified gasoline engine? I have a 55 gall drum of ethanol lying around that I can't make biodiesel with and I am looking for a suitable use. thanks. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ethanol mixtures
can anyone tell me the maximum amount of ethanol that you can blend with gasoline and burn in an unmodified gasoline engine? I have a 55 gall drum of ethanol lying around that I can't make biodiesel with and I am looking for a suitable use. thanks. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ethanol mixtures
Hi Jack, You will probably get the answer from the whole list, but up to 10% Ethanol seems to be a limit that all agree on. Hakan At 05:42 PM 3/23/2003 -0500, you wrote: can anyone tell me the maximum amount of ethanol that you can blend with gasoline and burn in an unmodified gasoline engine? I have a 55 gall drum of ethanol lying around that I can't make biodiesel with and I am looking for a suitable use. thanks. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ethanol mixtures
There are two more important consideraations when using ethanol or methanol mixtures in gasoline. One is the corossive nature of alcohol and its effect on seals, gaskets and hoses. There is also mild corrosion of aluminum. Limiting the mix ratio keeps it minimal. The other is that addition of alcohol or methanol will raise the octane rating, however, after reaching a certain point, adding more will drop the octane reading, according to the lab at the local refinery. I did not get figures, but If I were using up 55 gallons, I would use it in a 10 per cent solution, just like the local gas station pumps. EdB - Original Message - From: Jack Kenworthy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: [biofuel] ethanol mixtures can anyone tell me the maximum amount of ethanol that you can blend with gasoline and burn in an unmodified gasoline engine? I have a 55 gall drum of ethanol lying around that I can't make biodiesel with and I am looking for a suitable use. thanks. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ethanol mixtures
As someone else said 10% would be fine. Don't bother buying anything higher than 87 octane if you add the ethanol, the ethanol will raise the octane a couple points. You may want to consider adding some dry gas if you mix the gasoline with ethanol. Water will cause problems with the mixture. Jack Kenworthy wrote: can anyone tell me the maximum amount of ethanol that you can blend with gasoline and burn in an unmodified gasoline engine? I have a 55 gall drum of ethanol lying around that I can't make biodiesel with and I am looking for a suitable use. thanks. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ethanol mixtures
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:42 am, Jack Kenworthy wrote: I have a 55 gall drum of ethanol lying around that I can't make biodiesel with out of curiosity, why not? -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
