RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles Dear Peggy, Your OSWEC generator - where can I read up more? Any website to refer? Thanks. Cheers, CS Chua Hello CS, I sent your email message to the president of AquaMagnetics, one of the inventors who is also a NASA engineer. As soon as he tells me what information he would like to share, I'll send it on. I do know that they have a variety of generator models that produce hydrogen and the process is patented in here in the US. The original design works best with a two meter wave. Then they built a deep ocean model that can run continuously in a deep water ocean current. And now, their buoys are being designed for a joint purpose--to generate hydrogen and to light the buoys. Whenever the development team is properly funded they will be able to rapidly place their generators in strategic locations. One excellent location could be on oil rigs. They could function without hampering the oil production work. Many rigs are being torched right now. If any of you has access to an oil rig, we would be very interested in using it for a demonstration. Best wishes, Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
Dear Peggy, Your OSWEC generator - where can I read up more? Any website to refer? Thanks. Cheers, CS Chua - Original Message - From: "Peggy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:08 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles > Until we have more data, I hesitate to expound, but... there is > limitless energy that can be captured from ocean waves. We are on our > way to proving a new technological advantage in capturing energy and > transforming that energy into whatever use we desire. Our OSWEC (Ocean > Swells and Waves Energy Conversion) generator just keeps on pumping. > > Peggy > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of John Mullan > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles > > Question: I know, from much discussion on the lists, that the energy > needed > to produce hydrogen really isn't worth it in terms of oil/coal terms. > But, > is it (theoretically) possible to use most of the available hydro > generated > electricity to make hydrogen such that all vehicles / homes / businesses > rely on hydrogen for there energy needs (assuming improved consumption > conservation)? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of info > Sent: October 27, 2004 3:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles > > > > > > DaimlerChrysler Commits to Putting More Fuel Cell Vehicles on the Road > > http://www.alternate-energy.net/more_fuelcell_cars04.html > > > > California Unveils State's First Hydrogen Refueling Station > > http://www.alternate-energy.net/hydrogen_station04.html > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ > > news resources forum > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
Hi Dan, If you are interested in working with my associates, I can forward your information to them. There are many considerations which must be discussed. Please write off list with a little about your organization so I can send contact info. If you are only curious, then it seems that the next pilot or demonstration projects are going up on buoys in the ship channels in Florida in 05. The generators will produce hydrogen and light the buoys. The State of Florida is participating in the funding, so my friends are not bound by a new set of rules for manufacturing and exportation. However, they do have some flexibility. Peggy Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles Peggy, Sounds very interesting. When can you bring this to South Florida ? :-) Dan V > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peggy > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:09 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles > > Until we have more data, I hesitate to expound, but... there > is limitless energy that can be captured from ocean waves. > We are on our way to proving a new technological advantage in > capturing energy and transforming that energy into whatever > use we desire. Our OSWEC (Ocean Swells and Waves Energy > Conversion) generator just keeps on pumping. > > Peggy > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mullan > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles > > Question: I know, from much discussion on the lists, that > the energy needed to produce hydrogen really isn't worth it > in terms of oil/coal terms. > But, > is it (theoretically) possible to use most of the available > hydro generated electricity to make hydrogen such that all > vehicles / homes / businesses rely on hydrogen for there > energy needs (assuming improved consumption conservation)? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of info > Sent: October 27, 2004 3:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles > > > > > > DaimlerChrysler Commits to Putting More Fuel Cell Vehicles on the Road > > http://www.alternate-energy.net/more_fuelcell_cars04.html > > > > California Unveils State's First Hydrogen Refueling Station > > http://www.alternate-energy.net/hydrogen_station04.html > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ > > news resources forum > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
Question: I know, from much discussion on the lists, that the energy needed to produce hydrogen really isn't worth it in terms of oil/coal terms. But, is it (theoretically) possible to use most of the available hydro generated electricity to make hydrogen such that all vehicles / homes / businesses rely on hydrogen for there energy needs (assuming improved consumption conservation)? No, although I suspect your heart is in the right place. The cheapest hydrogen available comes from steam reforming of methane. Hydro electricity should not be used to generate hydrogen because electrolysis, compression and combustion will result in a significant loss of available energy in its transformation from electrons to protons. It is significantly more efficient to use the electricity directly, whenever possible. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
Peggy, Sounds very interesting. When can you bring this to South Florida ?:-) Dan V > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peggy > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:09 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles > > Until we have more data, I hesitate to expound, but... there > is limitless energy that can be captured from ocean waves. > We are on our way to proving a new technological advantage in > capturing energy and transforming that energy into whatever > use we desire. Our OSWEC (Ocean Swells and Waves Energy > Conversion) generator just keeps on pumping. > > Peggy > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mullan > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles > > Question: I know, from much discussion on the lists, that > the energy needed to produce hydrogen really isn't worth it > in terms of oil/coal terms. > But, > is it (theoretically) possible to use most of the available > hydro generated electricity to make hydrogen such that all > vehicles / homes / businesses rely on hydrogen for there > energy needs (assuming improved consumption conservation)? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of info > Sent: October 27, 2004 3:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles > > > > > > DaimlerChrysler Commits to Putting More Fuel Cell Vehicles on the Road > > http://www.alternate-energy.net/more_fuelcell_cars04.html > > > > California Unveils State's First Hydrogen Refueling Station > > http://www.alternate-energy.net/hydrogen_station04.html > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ > > news resources forum > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
John, No, not with todays resources and within reasonable time frames. The nearly only way to start a hydrogen economy is to use oil, NG or coal as sources. US have only known oil resources (including Alaska) for 10 year of its own current use and NG for 7 years. US have 235 years of coal at current production. It is easy to deduct that the suggested clean "hydrogen economy" for US must use dirty coal for a foreseeable future. Kyoto would stand in the way to do this, without enormous investment in developing clean technologies, but that is not a problem, US did not sign Kyoto. LOL Hydrogen from renewable electrolysis of water. US have less than 10% of its electricity from such sources, around 6-8% hydro, less than 1% (closer to 0.5%) from wind. It is no way that US can keep their transportation going on the hydro generated electricity. It does not matter which way you turn, your behind is behind you. US can do a lot on conservation, at least cut their current energy use with 40%. It will however take time and US is still waiting for responsible leaders, that can build populous support for it. I guess that the current ones want to keep their Hummers. LOL I will never understand those terrorists, they must be stupid. Why kill and hurt people of US, when they are so good in doing it themselves. The only way to get improvements is to elect me as president, but I am not a US citizen and then it is impossible. There are not many of us foreigners that are concerned and want to help US. -:) http://energysavingnow.com/ Otherwise, please listen to Keith, Todd, Darryl and a bunch of other people on this list, that at least know what it all comes down to and working with real and "ready for use" solutions. Hakan At 01:34 AM 10/28/2004, you wrote: Question: I know, from much discussion on the lists, that the energy needed to produce hydrogen really isn't worth it in terms of oil/coal terms. But, is it (theoretically) possible to use most of the available hydro generated electricity to make hydrogen such that all vehicles / homes / businesses rely on hydrogen for there energy needs (assuming improved consumption conservation)? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of info Sent: October 27, 2004 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles DaimlerChrysler Commits to Putting More Fuel Cell Vehicles on the Road http://www.alternate-energy.net/more_fuelcell_cars04.html California Unveils State's First Hydrogen Refueling Station http://www.alternate-energy.net/hydrogen_station04.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news resources forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
Until we have more data, I hesitate to expound, but... there is limitless energy that can be captured from ocean waves. We are on our way to proving a new technological advantage in capturing energy and transforming that energy into whatever use we desire. Our OSWEC (Ocean Swells and Waves Energy Conversion) generator just keeps on pumping. Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mullan Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles Question: I know, from much discussion on the lists, that the energy needed to produce hydrogen really isn't worth it in terms of oil/coal terms. But, is it (theoretically) possible to use most of the available hydro generated electricity to make hydrogen such that all vehicles / homes / businesses rely on hydrogen for there energy needs (assuming improved consumption conservation)? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of info Sent: October 27, 2004 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles DaimlerChrysler Commits to Putting More Fuel Cell Vehicles on the Road http://www.alternate-energy.net/more_fuelcell_cars04.html California Unveils State's First Hydrogen Refueling Station http://www.alternate-energy.net/hydrogen_station04.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news resources forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
Question: I know, from much discussion on the lists, that the energy needed to produce hydrogen really isn't worth it in terms of oil/coal terms. But, is it (theoretically) possible to use most of the available hydro generated electricity to make hydrogen such that all vehicles / homes / businesses rely on hydrogen for there energy needs (assuming improved consumption conservation)? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of info Sent: October 27, 2004 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles DaimlerChrysler Commits to Putting More Fuel Cell Vehicles on the Road http://www.alternate-energy.net/more_fuelcell_cars04.html California Unveils State's First Hydrogen Refueling Station http://www.alternate-energy.net/hydrogen_station04.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news resources forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
