Re: [biofuel] Historic efficient vehicles
Great topic. I think Chrysler had some hybrid-electric turbine race vehicle operating in the 90's but I haven't looked into it in awhile. I haven't focused enough on old-time efforts for this, but I will cast an initial vote for the GM EV1. It's not my all-time favorite and doesn't fit a criteria for having been made available to the public at large (only a 3 or 4 thousand were made I think) but there were several remarkeable things. First, anyone can drive one, right now, if you can get to LAX and go to the Budget office there, you can rent one. Second, its energy efficiency, once you get the energy on board, is excellent. I'd say very roughly 100 mpg equivalent, depending on the battery and such. Yes, I know all about well-to-wheel debates. Third, like other modern hybrids and electrics, you can get a real sense of the regen advantages by watching the guages as they "refill" with energy. Fourth, because it's a *great car to drive*. I drove one a few weeks ago, and it was silent, low-to-the-ground, smooth-accelerating and yes this included around the 65-75 mph range that is often left out of electrics. GM, for those who don't know, is refusing to renew leases on the vehicle, is refusing (from the little I've heard) to allow motivated buyers to buy them, and is apparently taking them back into custody. Apparently, again from the little that one can glean, this means they are not only being taken back, but slated for crushing. I know of not a single museum or private party who is presently slated to be allowed to take possession of one to preserve a record of it, although it's possible I've lost track of any. There are other excellent vehicles out there for efficiency. It's simply a bit hard not to mention this one, given the excellent driving experience I recently had of it. On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:36:08 -0500, you wrote: >I've seen numerous vehicles mentioned lately (current or old-timey) that had >wonderful efficiency ratings. I wonder if we couldn't assemble a collage of >info on these vehicles, and hopefully glean some usable info on them that >might result in higher MPG ratings nowadays? > >My entry would be one from Chrysler. In the mid-'40's, they built about 20 >test cars that were powered by a jet turbine engine! They got 40-plus MPG >even in that day and age, and better yet, they ran on almost ANYTHING that >burns! > >Veggie oil, kerosene, gas, turpentine, alcohol, oil, diesel; it ate it all. >It could run them straight, or in nearly any combination of the above. Find >it, pour it in. > >The only reason they didn't put it into production was because it had an >"annoying whine" (it's a jet turbine!), and it was a little sluggish off the >line (fixable with today's transmission technologies). The engine was an >advanced version of an early military tank engine that Chrysler produced for >the US government. > >Any other ideas? >-Joel Rutledge >Prairie Dog Recycling >Wichita, Kansas > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Biofuels list archives: >http://archive.nnytech.net/ > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Historic efficient vehicles
Prairie Dog wrote: > > I've seen numerous vehicles mentioned lately (current or old-timey) that had > wonderful efficiency ratings. I wonder if we couldn't assemble a collage of > info on these vehicles, and hopefully glean some usable info on them that > might result in higher MPG ratings nowadays? Hi Joel, Any links to the Chrysler you mentioned ? Heres a few live come across. Teardrop-shaped (least air resistance), 3-wheeled, rear-wheel (single) steering, 20 foot long, Aluminum bodied auto, designed by Buckminster Fuller in 1933 to achieve maximum output and service with minimum material input. It was about 6 feet tall (kinda like a big van), seated the driver and 10 passengers, weighed less than 1000 lbs., went 120 miles/hr on a 90 horsepower engine, and got between 30-50 miles to the gallon of gas. A quicktime movie (2.3 mb) of the car driving and unloading passengers. http://www.3wheelers.com/dymaxion.html Freeway would travel 100 miles per gallon at 55mph on a freeway. http://www.3wheelers.com/freeway.html 100 mpg at a speed of over 40 mph. http://www.3wheelers.com/harper.html Up to 90 MPG! Speed, max. (with 4ΒΈ hp): approx. 40 mph, http://www.prismz.com/automite Claimed a top speed of 40mph and a fuel consumption of 75mpg http://www.3wheelers.com/martin.html GM Lean Machine 15 hp 2-cylinder engine that produced a maximum speed of 80 mph with a fuel economy of 80 mpg at 40 mph. Larger 38 hp engine with a total body weight of 159kg fuel economy of over 120 mpg. http://www.3wheelers.com/gmlean.html Smallest 3-wheeler ever produced. With a top speed of 38mph and powered by a 49cc DKW engine. http://www.3wheelers.com/peel.html The C2C will obtain in excess of 125 miles per gallon WHILE cruising at 65 mph and 70 mph speeds. http://www.C2Cproject.com Two Official Guinness World Records for high mileage efficiency 157.192 MPG at 55 MPH gasoline 156.53 MPG at 56.3 MPH diesel http://www.canosoarus.com/03CalifCommuter/CalCom01.htm Moto-guzzi - Dingotre 50cc simplicity pickup http://www.3wheelers.com/motog.html `` Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/7dY7FD/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Historic efficient vehicles
How about the Honda Aero 50cc scooter? -Original Message- From: Prairie Dog [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 2:36 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Historic efficient vehicles I've seen numerous vehicles mentioned lately (current or old-timey) that had wonderful efficiency ratings. I wonder if we couldn't assemble a collage of info on these vehicles, and hopefully glean some usable info on them that might result in higher MPG ratings nowadays? My entry would be one from Chrysler. In the mid-'40's, they built about 20 test cars that were powered by a jet turbine engine! They got 40-plus MPG even in that day and age, and better yet, they ran on almost ANYTHING that burns! Veggie oil, kerosene, gas, turpentine, alcohol, oil, diesel; it ate it all. It could run them straight, or in nearly any combination of the above. Find it, pour it in. The only reason they didn't put it into production was because it had an "annoying whine" (it's a jet turbine!), and it was a little sluggish off the line (fixable with today's transmission technologies). The engine was an advanced version of an early military tank engine that Chrysler produced for the US government. Any other ideas? -Joel Rutledge Prairie Dog Recycling Wichita, Kansas Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Historic efficient vehicles
Wasn't Chrysler also planning on bringing back the Charger R/T for 2001 with a natural gas engine? If I remember correctly the thing could go from 0 to 60 in less than 7 seconds. OK, maybe not the most efficient, but certainly the most efficient in it's class: http://www.dodge.com/inside/concept_vehicles/charger_rt.html Don't forget the Nash Metropolitan either: http://members.tripod.com/PNWMOC/stats.html 30-40 MPG back in 1955! (22.2 seconds to 60) -Original Message- From: Prairie Dog [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 2:36 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Historic efficient vehicles I've seen numerous vehicles mentioned lately (current or old-timey) that had wonderful efficiency ratings. I wonder if we couldn't assemble a collage of info on these vehicles, and hopefully glean some usable info on them that might result in higher MPG ratings nowadays? My entry would be one from Chrysler. In the mid-'40's, they built about 20 test cars that were powered by a jet turbine engine! They got 40-plus MPG even in that day and age, and better yet, they ran on almost ANYTHING that burns! Veggie oil, kerosene, gas, turpentine, alcohol, oil, diesel; it ate it all. It could run them straight, or in nearly any combination of the above. Find it, pour it in. The only reason they didn't put it into production was because it had an "annoying whine" (it's a jet turbine!), and it was a little sluggish off the line (fixable with today's transmission technologies). The engine was an advanced version of an early military tank engine that Chrysler produced for the US government. Any other ideas? -Joel Rutledge Prairie Dog Recycling Wichita, Kansas Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Historic efficient vehicles
- Original Message - From: "Ryan Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 13:53 Subject: RE: [biofuel] Historic efficient vehicles > > Wasn't Chrysler also planning on bringing back the Charger R/T for 2001 with > a natural gas engine? If I remember correctly the thing could go from 0 to > 60 in less than 7 seconds. OK, maybe not the most efficient, but certainly > the most efficient in it's class: > Sure it is, think of all the fuel you save by getting to 60 sooner. ;-) Greg H. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
