RE: [biofuel] VO in stationary generators was Re: Fwd: Sustainable BioDiesel
Frank: you still need a separate tank for your wvo to run in your stationarty genset because you will need to stop it on diesel once a week for oil changes. I run mine the night before the oil change day to clean things out just a little. I don't know if this does any good but it makes me feel better. I've been running my stationary set for 24/7 for three months now with no adverse affects. I've been experimenting heavily with different types of v-oils and v-oil and animal fats. Good Luck. Gene Chaffin -Original Message- From: Frank Bergmans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 3:40 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] VO in stationary generators was Re: Fwd: Sustainable BioDiesel Julian, Check the link of Qlear which sells this kind of equipment: http://www.qlear.com/ Their brochure ( http://www.qlear.com/art/pdf/bps.pdf) gives some information about the system itself. Frank Bergmans -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: jdautremontsmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 6 mei 2004 11:04 Aan: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Onderwerp: [biofuel] VO in stationary generators was Re: Fwd: Sustainable BioDiesel Hello everyone, One of the things that was new to me about this post was the contention that stationary diesel generators will run fine on just filtered vegetable oil. Would this require a two tank set up like for automobiles or is this just because stationary generators are not as sensitive as automobile engines and thus can handle vegetable oil's viscosity? Are there any precautions that need to be taken to protect the generator from damage (perhaps by running it with biodiesel periodically to clean any deposits)? Does anyone have personal experience in using just filtered WVO in a stationary generator? As always, thanks for all of your help ... this list is a great resource! Julian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Biofuel list member Tim Castleman's mail list. Date: 3 May 2004 19:14:59 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sustainable BioDiesel Biodiesel is great, but there are a few things we should include in every conversation about Biodiesel: 1) Imagine if just 10% of the people using petro-diesel switched to biodiesel - that would create demand for twice as much as the supply of waste oil available. While it is a great idea to process waste vegetable oil and use it again, promoting biodiesel as a replacement for petro-diesel with no modification in consumption is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. 2) In that case, (even now already), oil formerly grown for food will be used for fuel instead. Example: a company named World Energy provides biodiesel to the Marine corps that is made from virgin soy oil. The military can afford it, regular folks can't. Using food as fuel to preserve overconsumptive lifestyles is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. 3) America already consumes 6 to 10 times per capita the amount of energy consumed in the rest of the world, teaching people they can keep this up is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. 4) It would be foolish to burn biodiesel in a stationary generator - it would run fine on vegetable oil with no processing beyond filtration. To promote biodiesel for generating electricity is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. 5) Conservation. Again, western culture simply consumes too much. Devising alternative sources of energy to support unsustainable living is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. To be clear, biodiesel is far superior to petro-diesel in many regards, and will in fact help reduce climate change. However, to offer it as a replacement for petro-diesel at current consumption rates would be a disaster. It is imperative that consumption is reduced significantly, otherwise the legacy we will leave our descendants is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. Tim Castleman www.fuelandfiber.com -- --- -- If you no longer wish to receive our newsletter please reply with Unsubscribe in the subject line. -- --- -- . Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129mr61gs/M=295196.4901138.6052515.3001176/D=groups /S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1083925899/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://companio n.yahoo.com click here http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6052515.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2128215/rand=553754080
RE: [biofuel] VO in stationary generators was Re: Fwd: Sustainable BioDiesel
Julian, Check the link of Qlear which sells this kind of equipment: http://www.qlear.com/ Their brochure ( http://www.qlear.com/art/pdf/bps.pdf) gives some information about the system itself. Frank Bergmans -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: jdautremontsmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 6 mei 2004 11:04 Aan: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Onderwerp: [biofuel] VO in stationary generators was Re: Fwd: Sustainable BioDiesel Hello everyone, One of the things that was new to me about this post was the contention that stationary diesel generators will run fine on just filtered vegetable oil. Would this require a two tank set up like for automobiles or is this just because stationary generators are not as sensitive as automobile engines and thus can handle vegetable oil's viscosity? Are there any precautions that need to be taken to protect the generator from damage (perhaps by running it with biodiesel periodically to clean any deposits)? Does anyone have personal experience in using just filtered WVO in a stationary generator? As always, thanks for all of your help ... this list is a great resource! Julian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Biofuel list member Tim Castleman's mail list. Date: 3 May 2004 19:14:59 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sustainable BioDiesel Biodiesel is great, but there are a few things we should include in every conversation about Biodiesel: 1) Imagine if just 10% of the people using petro-diesel switched to biodiesel - that would create demand for twice as much as the supply of waste oil available. While it is a great idea to process waste vegetable oil and use it again, promoting biodiesel as a replacement for petro-diesel with no modification in consumption is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. 2) In that case, (even now already), oil formerly grown for food will be used for fuel instead. Example: a company named World Energy provides biodiesel to the Marine corps that is made from virgin soy oil. The military can afford it, regular folks can't. Using food as fuel to preserve overconsumptive lifestyles is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. 3) America already consumes 6 to 10 times per capita the amount of energy consumed in the rest of the world, teaching people they can keep this up is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. 4) It would be foolish to burn biodiesel in a stationary generator - it would run fine on vegetable oil with no processing beyond filtration. To promote biodiesel for generating electricity is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. 5) Conservation. Again, western culture simply consumes too much. Devising alternative sources of energy to support unsustainable living is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. To be clear, biodiesel is far superior to petro-diesel in many regards, and will in fact help reduce climate change. However, to offer it as a replacement for petro-diesel at current consumption rates would be a disaster. It is imperative that consumption is reduced significantly, otherwise the legacy we will leave our descendants is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. Tim Castleman www.fuelandfiber.com -- --- -- If you no longer wish to receive our newsletter please reply with Unsubscribe in the subject line. -- --- -- . Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129mr61gs/M=295196.4901138.6052515.3001176/D=groups/S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1083925899/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://companion.yahoo.com click here http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6052515.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/A=2128215/rand=553754080 _ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http
