Re: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure
Matt, Mist and bubble washing are methods that were developed to prevent or reduce the formation of emulsions. The biggest problem is that the emulsions shouldn't occur in properly prepared fuel, meaning that rather than solving the problems of incomplete reactions, their "inventors" chose to try and engineer around that "trivial" little matter. Unfortunately, both have become "standards" in the homebrew circuit. If you prepare your fuel correctly, there is no reason why you cannot use mechanical agitation, aka motor and impeller. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Matt S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:00 AM Subject: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure > I'm in the process of planning out a garage-based biodiesel system, > but I'm confused abou two things. First, what is the best method of > washing biodiesel? I have heard of the "mist" method, which I > assume sprays a light mist over the diesel, lets it sink to the > bottom, which is then drained off. My question is how long would I > let it mist for and what it used to provide a light mist? Would I > be better off building a bubble wand? I want the process to be as > automated as possible. > > Second, I keep hearing about people using a pressure tank for the > biodiesel process. What is this used for? > > Thanks! > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure
Preventing the poor reaction that allows the emulsion to form in the first place sounds like the real goal. Does Aleks Kac's Foolproof method create fuel that can withstand mechanical agitation during the wash phase? If not, what method does? Thanks, Ryan -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:45 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure Matt, Mist and bubble washing are methods that were developed to prevent or reduce the formation of emulsions. The biggest problem is that the emulsions shouldn't occur in properly prepared fuel, meaning that rather than solving the problems of incomplete reactions, their "inventors" chose to try and engineer around that "trivial" little matter. Unfortunately, both have become "standards" in the homebrew circuit. If you prepare your fuel correctly, there is no reason why you cannot use mechanical agitation, aka motor and impeller. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Matt S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:00 AM Subject: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure > I'm in the process of planning out a garage-based biodiesel system, > but I'm confused abou two things. First, what is the best method of > washing biodiesel? I have heard of the "mist" method, which I > assume sprays a light mist over the diesel, lets it sink to the > bottom, which is then drained off. My question is how long would I > let it mist for and what it used to provide a light mist? Would I > be better off building a bubble wand? I want the process to be as > automated as possible. > > Second, I keep hearing about people using a pressure tank for the > biodiesel process. What is this used for? > > Thanks! > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129ofj5n2/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1085114744/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://companion.yahoo.com> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/A=2128215/rand=439412698> _ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure
Yes Ryan, As do all methods if they are conducted properly. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Pool, Ryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure > Preventing the poor reaction that allows the emulsion to form in the first place sounds like the real goal. Does Aleks Kac's Foolproof method create fuel that can withstand mechanical agitation during the wash phase? If not, what method does? > > Thanks, > Ryan > > -Original Message- > From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:45 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure > > > Matt, > > Mist and bubble washing are methods that were developed to prevent or reduce > the formation of emulsions. The biggest problem is that the emulsions > shouldn't occur in properly prepared fuel, meaning that rather than solving > the problems of incomplete reactions, their "inventors" chose to try and > engineer around that "trivial" little matter. > > Unfortunately, both have become "standards" in the homebrew circuit. > > If you prepare your fuel correctly, there is no reason why you cannot use > mechanical agitation, aka motor and impeller. > > Todd Swearingen > > > - Original Message - > From: "Matt S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:00 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure > > > > I'm in the process of planning out a garage-based biodiesel system, > > but I'm confused abou two things. First, what is the best method of > > washing biodiesel? I have heard of the "mist" method, which I > > assume sprays a light mist over the diesel, lets it sink to the > > bottom, which is then drained off. My question is how long would I > > let it mist for and what it used to provide a light mist? Would I > > be better off building a bubble wand? I want the process to be as > > automated as possible. > > > > Second, I keep hearing about people using a pressure tank for the > > biodiesel process. What is this used for? > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129ofj5n2/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups /S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1085114744/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://companio n.yahoo.com> click here > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2128215/rand=439412698> > > > _ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure
Hi Ryan >Preventing the poor reaction that allows the emulsion to form in the >first place sounds like the real goal. That's quite right. >Does Aleks Kac's Foolproof method create fuel that can withstand >mechanical agitation during the wash phase? If not, what method >does? Both do, when done properly. But if you're still at the stage where you get a poor reaction with the single-stage method you're not ready to move on to the acid-base process yet. The two-stage processes are advanced methods, not for novices. Much better to master the single-stage process first, along with titration and everything else. So just keep going Ryan, you're on the right track and doing well, no reason to lose heart now. Quite the opposite! The goal is to be able to make biodiesel that will withstand the shake test. Quality testing http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality When you've done that then you can move on to the Foolproof method if you like, as many do. Bes wishes Keith >Thanks, >Ryan > >-Original Message- >From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:45 PM >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure > > >Matt, > >Mist and bubble washing are methods that were developed to prevent or reduce >the formation of emulsions. The biggest problem is that the emulsions >shouldn't occur in properly prepared fuel, meaning that rather than solving >the problems of incomplete reactions, their "inventors" chose to try and >engineer around that "trivial" little matter. > >Unfortunately, both have become "standards" in the homebrew circuit. > >If you prepare your fuel correctly, there is no reason why you cannot use >mechanical agitation, aka motor and impeller. > >Todd Swearingen > > >- Original Message - >From: "Matt S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:00 AM >Subject: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure > > > > I'm in the process of planning out a garage-based biodiesel system, > > but I'm confused abou two things. First, what is the best method of > > washing biodiesel? I have heard of the "mist" method, which I > > assume sprays a light mist over the diesel, lets it sink to the > > bottom, which is then drained off. My question is how long would I > > let it mist for and what it used to provide a light mist? Would I > > be better off building a bubble wand? I want the process to be as > > automated as possible. > > > > Second, I keep hearing about people using a pressure tank for the > > biodiesel process. What is this used for? > > > > Thanks! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
