RE: RE: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery
Greg I'll check the specifics concerning applications for each type of tungsten electrode in my welding textbook on Tuesday (I left it at school), but here are the different types of electrodes and their composition (as best as I can remember from the text, which I read about six months ago. Here goes: All of the other four types of tungsten electrodes have various rare earth elements added for different performance qualities. If memory serves me correctly they are all added to pure tungsten in 2% percent concentrations, with the exception of Lanthanum, which is added at a 1% concentration. The other elements are: 1) Thorium which is the most commonly used electrode for most welding applications and is universally designated with a red stripe , 2) Cerium, which is designated with a yellow stripe, 3)Lanthanum, which is designated with a blue stripe (I believe), 4)the fourth type is a mixture of 1% thorium and 1% cerium (I think). The thoriated tungsten has very, very small amounts of radioactivity and is universally used for most TIG welding applications, and is probably what you used. Few TIG welders use anything else, because of the minute performance differences. The TIG welders who only weld on one type of base metal will usually migrate to the electrode type recommended for that type of metal or application. I have only used the 2% thoriated and the pure tungsten and the differences even for aluminum are minute other than the fact that the pure tungsten is easier to "ball" (a procedure used to create a shiny ball on the end of the electrode) which is required in aluminum welding which is always done in alternating current, as opposed to all of the other base metal types in which electrode negative is used. For all of the other types of metal a finely sharpened point are required, as opposed to the ball which is an artifact of simultaneously using alternating current and high frequency current. Well there you are: That is as much as I can recall from memory, Ill get you the exact information on Tuesday and we'll both see how much I information I actually retained for a course I took last fall. Mak -Original Message- From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 4:14 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery Thanks, for the info, when I did grind work, all that we used the TIG for was Al, and I knew it was Tungsten, didn't know that there were other types. What are the others, and what are they best used for? Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Mark Kaufman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 00:53 Subject: RE: RE: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery > If you try a TIG welding electrode, you'll find that there are 5 > different types of electrodes in three main sizes 1/16 inch, 3/32 inch > and 1/8 inch you will want the 100% pure tungsten which is universally > color coded with a green stripe and recommended for welding aluminum. > > Mak > > -Original Message- > From: Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:53 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: RE: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery > > I would bet a TIG welding electrode would work, it would be a lot > stronger. > > Greg H. > > ---Original Message--- > From: kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 05/21/03 08:48 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery > > > > > Doesn't look like it would be terribly hard to try out. Procuring the > electrodes prob the only difficult bit. Wonder if the filament from a > burned > out 500W lightbulb would do for the tungsten one. > > Kirk > > -Original Message- > From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:12 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery > > > > > kirk wrote: > > > In results independently verified at Bristol University, a team from > Gardner > > Watts - an environmental technology company based in Dedham, Essex - > show > a > > "thermal energy cell" which appears to produce hundreds of times more > energy > > than that put into it. If the findings are correct and can be > reproduced > on > > a commercial scale, the thermal energy cell could become a feature of > every > > home, heating water for a fraction of the cost and cutting fuel bills > by > at > > least 90 per cent. > > > > Not ordinary electrolysis. > > > > Kirk > > > > I hope you're right, Kirk, but I'm not holding my breath. I've been > a > hydrogen
Re: RE: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery
Thanks, for the info, when I did grind work, all that we used the TIG for was Al, and I knew it was Tungsten, didn't know that there were other types. What are the others, and what are they best used for? Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Mark Kaufman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 00:53 Subject: RE: RE: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery > If you try a TIG welding electrode, you'll find that there are 5 > different types of electrodes in three main sizes 1/16 inch, 3/32 inch > and 1/8 inch you will want the 100% pure tungsten which is universally > color coded with a green stripe and recommended for welding aluminum. > > Mak > > -Original Message- > From: Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:53 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: RE: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery > > I would bet a TIG welding electrode would work, it would be a lot > stronger. > > Greg H. > > ---Original Message--- > From: kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 05/21/03 08:48 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery > > > > > Doesn't look like it would be terribly hard to try out. Procuring the > electrodes prob the only difficult bit. Wonder if the filament from a > burned > out 500W lightbulb would do for the tungsten one. > > Kirk > > -Original Message- > From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:12 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery > > > > > kirk wrote: > > > In results independently verified at Bristol University, a team from > Gardner > > Watts - an environmental technology company based in Dedham, Essex - > show > a > > "thermal energy cell" which appears to produce hundreds of times more > energy > > than that put into it. If the findings are correct and can be > reproduced > on > > a commercial scale, the thermal energy cell could become a feature of > every > > home, heating water for a fraction of the cost and cutting fuel bills > by > at > > least 90 per cent. > > > > Not ordinary electrolysis. > > > > Kirk > > > > I hope you're right, Kirk, but I'm not holding my breath. I've been > a > hydrogen enthusiast for many years, and I've seen so many scams come and > go > in my > lifetime that I'm VERY skeptical. . . (Especially when the cell LOOKS > like > an > electrolysis cell and is made up of the same components as an > electrolysis > cell. > A crook named Stanley Meyer was touting such a thing a few years ago, > using > the > same "nuclear" language.) Let the research team publish in a reputable > journal, > and let's see if anyone else can independently verify the results. > > robert luis rabello > "The Edge of Justice" > Adventure for Your Mind > href="http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782";>http://www.1stbooks.com/boo > kview/9782 > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > href="http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html";>http://journeytoforever. > org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > href="http://archive.nnytech.net/";>http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/";>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/term > s/ > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/2003 > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > href="http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html";>http://journeytoforever. > org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > href="http://archive.nnytech.net/";>http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/";>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/term > s/ > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: >
RE: RE: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery
If you try a TIG welding electrode, you'll find that there are 5 different types of electrodes in three main sizes 1/16 inch, 3/32 inch and 1/8 inch you will want the 100% pure tungsten which is universally color coded with a green stripe and recommended for welding aluminum. Mak -Original Message- From: Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:53 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery I would bet a TIG welding electrode would work, it would be a lot stronger. Greg H. ---Original Message--- From: kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 05/21/03 08:48 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery > > Doesn't look like it would be terribly hard to try out. Procuring the electrodes prob the only difficult bit. Wonder if the filament from a burned out 500W lightbulb would do for the tungsten one. Kirk -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:12 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery kirk wrote: > In results independently verified at Bristol University, a team from Gardner > Watts - an environmental technology company based in Dedham, Essex - show a > "thermal energy cell" which appears to produce hundreds of times more energy > than that put into it. If the findings are correct and can be reproduced on > a commercial scale, the thermal energy cell could become a feature of every > home, heating water for a fraction of the cost and cutting fuel bills by at > least 90 per cent. > > Not ordinary electrolysis. > > Kirk > I hope you're right, Kirk, but I'm not holding my breath. I've been a hydrogen enthusiast for many years, and I've seen so many scams come and go in my lifetime that I'm VERY skeptical. . . (Especially when the cell LOOKS like an electrolysis cell and is made up of the same components as an electrolysis cell. A crook named Stanley Meyer was touting such a thing a few years ago, using the same "nuclear" language.) Let the research team publish in a reputable journal, and let's see if anyone else can independently verify the results. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782";>http://www.1stbooks.com/boo kview/9782 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html";>http://journeytoforever. org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/";>http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/";>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/term s/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html";>http://journeytoforever. org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/";>http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/";>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/term s/ > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: RE: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery
I would bet a TIG welding electrode would work, it would be a lot stronger. Greg H. ---Original Message--- From: kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 05/21/03 08:48 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery > > Doesn't look like it would be terribly hard to try out. Procuring the electrodes prob the only difficult bit. Wonder if the filament from a burned out 500W lightbulb would do for the tungsten one. Kirk -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:12 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Gardner Watts breakthrough discovery kirk wrote: > In results independently verified at Bristol University, a team from Gardner > Watts - an environmental technology company based in Dedham, Essex - show a > "thermal energy cell" which appears to produce hundreds of times more energy > than that put into it. If the findings are correct and can be reproduced on > a commercial scale, the thermal energy cell could become a feature of every > home, heating water for a fraction of the cost and cutting fuel bills by at > least 90 per cent. > > Not ordinary electrolysis. > > Kirk > I hope you're right, Kirk, but I'm not holding my breath. I've been a hydrogen enthusiast for many years, and I've seen so many scams come and go in my lifetime that I'm VERY skeptical. . . (Especially when the cell LOOKS like an electrolysis cell and is made up of the same components as an electrolysis cell. A crook named Stanley Meyer was touting such a thing a few years ago, using the same "nuclear" language.) Let the research team publish in a reputable journal, and let's see if anyone else can independently verify the results. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782";>http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html";>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/";>http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/";>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html";>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/";>http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/";>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
