Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
can some glycerin be added to new oil to make a soap? Farmer Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
Glycerol is an alcohol. Fats/oils are required to make soap. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making can some glycerin be added to new oil to make a soap? Farmer Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
Paul, Do you mean glycerin or the glycerin layer as there is a big difference? Andy On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:19:28 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can some glycerin be added to new oil to make a soap? Farmer Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
You should be able to use the left over lye in the glycerin layer to make soap, but it may end up have way too much glycerin in it and end up be drying for the skin. Andy On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 02:40:12 -0500, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glycerin can be added to any soap. But it can't be used to make soap. Glycerol is an alcohol. Fats/oils are required to make soap. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making can some glycerin be added to new oil to make a soap? Farmer Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
the other night having a good look through it. Simple and efficient. maybe I could make some ethanol (vodka) for tinctures :-) or a fuel additive, hehe. Luc - Original Message - From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle G'day JD; Using a simple to make condenser. There is an example at the bottom of the 5 gallon processor at JtF http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html . I have just finished one of these and am hooking it up to a pressure cooker. This is yet experimental, so don't run out and do it. The first use worked so so. Is this the same as the absolute alcohol process?Alcohol from methanol. Or is that something different again? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
- Original Message - From: Legal Eagle G'day JD; Using a simple to make condenser. There is an example at the bottom of the 5 gallon processor at JtF http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html . I have just finished one of these and am hooking it up to a pressure cooker. This is yet experimental, so don't run out and do it. The first use worked so so. Is this the same as the absolute alcohol process?Alcohol from methanol. Or is that something different again? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
You don't lose anything as you leave it in there on purpose, it adds to the combustability of the glycerine log. Luc -Or you could just recover the alcohol before burning. Andy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
If you have a sealed container with a vent line, source of hot water (above 75C) and cold water - yes. Run the hot water around the sealed container or put the sealed container in bath of hot water. This will boil off the MeOH - add hot water as needed. The vapors will travel out the vent. The vent line can be coiled and placed in a cold water bath and the open end of the coil then leads into your MeOH recovery vessel. As the coil fills with MeOH it will push out the liquid MeOH into the recovery vessel. It would be good to keep that vessel cold as well and have the outlet of the tubing go down to the bottom of that tank so any left over vapors will bubble through cold MeOH and condense (there shouldn't be any... but). Goggle for batch distillation and find out what each X from a XXX jug means. Andy -Or you could just recover the alcohol before burning. Andy By evaporation...Is there an easy, non-expensive way of doing this using standard eqipment that could be purchased anywhere in the world (i.e. the UK)? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
- Original Message - From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making By evaporation...Is there an easy, non-expensive way of doing this using standard eqipment that could be purchased anywhere in the world (i.e. the UK)? Using a simple to make condenser. There is an example at the bottom of the 5 gallon processor at JtF http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html . I have just finished one of these and am hooking it up to a pressure cooker. This is yet experimental, so don't run out and do it. The first use worked so so. It evaporated the methanol although the lid wasn't secure enough and I got leakage of methanol and around a heat source that is counter-indicated as the stuff is very volatile, so I am modifying the lid of the pressure cooker to be more hermetically sealed in order to send all the vapours into the condenser. My condenser is almost identical to the one at JtF except that I used T fittings for the water inlet and drain. The in/out side of the T is threaded for standard 2 and so I used a fine thread bung cap with 3/4 thread incorporated in the cap and plumbed a hose barb to it and then clamped the hose onto the barb. Sealing the end caps was also a challenge. I tried epoxy, but it cracked and leaked, so I then remembered using a thing called Goop http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infxtra/infgoo.shtm to fix a bit of trim that had come loose on the Benz, and this is cold weather and damp as well and it is still holding perfectly a year later, so I Goop-ed the copper tubing exiting the end caps with this stuff and it is holding up quite nicely, no leaks. I hope to have pics available soon.I have pics of the condenser but am waiting until I can get the unit working properly before posting about it all. Luc JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
- Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham -Or you could just recover the alcohol before burning. Andy By evaporation...Is there an easy, non-expensive way of doing this using standard eqipment that could be purchased anywhere in the world (i.e. the UK)? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
Tracy, I am currently taking classes towards a Masters in Health Product Regulation. I have spent a lot of time with various FDA regulations and the way I would interpret most is that it has to more than 50% of the final product. Therefore you could take pure soap and mix 49% dirt into it and sell it as soap. Not many people would buy 49% dirt soap, but it would meet the FDA's description of Soap. I would have to lookup the definition of cosmetics to be sure, but the main differences between soaps, cosmetics and drugs are what you claim it does. You are correct about the soap reaction, by-product glycerin can be added to soap but cannot be made into soap. My only suggestion on how to determine the amount of lye to use would be to do small trial batches or some form of titration. Andy On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:50:47 -0800 (PST), Jeremy Tracy Longworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My name is Tracy, and I am Jeremy's wife. I am also a soapmaker. There are a few things that concern me about making soap with the by-product of biodiesel. First, imho, the wvo is not exactly the cleanest stuff to begin with and I think there might be problems with the government in producing soap with it. The FDA defines soap as a product in which most of the nonvolatile matter consists of an alkali salt of fatty acids and whose detergent properties are due to these alkali-fatty acid compounds. If I read the regulations correctly, if a soap is made mostly of anything else, it is then considered a cosmetic and comes under certain regulations. True soap is not regulated by the FDA: cosmetics are. Secondly, soap cannot be made from primarily glycerin. Glycerin is a by-product of soapmaking and is left in handmade soaps or extracted from commercially made soaps. The soap is formed from the reaction of a caustic soda and fatty acids. If anyone is truly making soap from the by-product of making biodiesel, then it would stand to reason that there are left-over oils in the glycerin. Third, there is no way to know for certain what kinds of oils comprise WVO. Many restaurants don't always use the same kind of oil. That being the case, I can't see how one could accurately figure the amount of lye needed in order to achieve proper saponification. Every oil requires a different amount of lye in order for it to properly saponify. If one were to use too much lye, the resultant soap would be lye heavy and too harsh for anyone to use. I did also see written that the lye was to be added to warm water, I believe. I, and the soapmakers I am in contact with, add their lye to cold water. When the lye is added to water, the resulting solution can reach temperatures near boiling at times. If one was to start out with warm water, the solution could volcano and create quite a mess, not to mention it could also cause harm to anyone around at the time. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
- Original Message - From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making Thank you for this thread. It is one of the best threads at the moment because it is constructive. When you make boifuel you are left with alot of glycerin we all know that. What we don't know is what this glycerin can be utilised for. Also if the glycerin is from a wvo reaction to make rem or ree whether it is suitable for making soap or not. Yes, maybe, and that is the experimenting part :-) There is a lot of info at JtF about soap making too, have you snooped it ? Also about seperating the FFA's from the glycerine. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycsep.html http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html JD2005 Presumeably lye water would be realy an ideal method of making soap from glycerin. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
Thank you for this thread. It is one of the best threads at the moment because it is constructive. When you make boifuel you are left with alot of glycerin we all know that. What we don't know is what this glycerin can be utilised for. Also if the glycerin is from a wvo reaction to make rem or ree whether it is suitable for making soap or not. JD2005 Presumeably lye water would be realy an ideal method of making soap from glycerin. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
Ok Thanks, The burning idea with the milk cartons looks really good to us here. We're burning wood and stuff on an old oxfordshire range here at the moment.I wouldn't put one on untill we'd got a really hot fire though because of the poison fumes it can cause.Also you stand stand to lose methanol or ethanol that way unless you separate that out. The FFA separation with some kind of expensive acid I reject on the grounds of expense. Unless, I could (I havn't got any methanol or a license for ethenol yet.) find a market for the pure glycerin. JD2005 - Original Message - From:Legal Eagle G'day JD; Yes, maybe, and that is the experimenting part :-) There is a lot of info at JtF about soap making too, have you snooped it ? Also about seperating the FFA's from the glycerine. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycsep.html http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html JD2005 Presumeably lye water would be realy an ideal method of making soap from glycerin. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
