Re: [Biofuel] New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production -
Cadmium telluride is toxic, then again so are thousands of other manufacturing processes and materials. No alt energy source will ever be 100 percent environmentally benign but compared to fossil fuels they are ALL a step forward regardless. Your computer has cadmium telluride in it as well as hundreds of other semi and very toxic materials when raw or not encapsulated as components. E-waste is a serious environmental problem and we don't want to be throwing used cad/tel panels in the dump 30 years from now either but this looks like a significant development on the verge of mass production. Add this to the several other solar pv technologies being developed and it looks good to have truly cost effective pv within a few years. (I know, we've been waiting for 30 years but always an optimist...just a LLiiittle longer! ;) regards tallex > ---Original Message--- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - > Sent: 10 Sep '07 15:59 > > Dear All, > > I'd like to know the relative weight of the new panels as well > as the environmental impact of the cadmium telluride from mines to landfills. > > Regards, > > Wendell > > > > >From: Dawie Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Date: 2007/09/10 Mon AM 10:37:01 CDT > >To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - > > >Don't you hate it when people talk about "100 times less"? How little was > it to begin with, if the littleness is now 100 times more? Logically, "100 > times less" means -99 times as much: x - 100x = -99x. Or do they mean 1% as > much? If so, this sounds promising. I'd like to have an idea of the > durability of these panels, though, compared to the conventional sort, not to > mention the wattage per unit of area one might reasonably expect. -D > > > > > >- Original Message > >From: AltEnergyNetwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org > >Sent: Monday, 10 September, 2007 4:50:00 PM > >Subject: [Biofuel] New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - > > > > > >New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - > >Colorado's State Univ.'s panels will cost less than $1 per watt > > > >http://www.industryweek.com/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=14932&SectionID=4 > > > >Sept. 10, 2007 -- Colorado State University's method for manufacturing > low-cost, high-efficiency solar panels is nearing mass production. AVA Solar > Inc. will start production by the end of next year on the technology > developed by mechanical engineering Professor W.S. Sampath at Colorado State. > The new 200-megawatt factory is expected to employ up to 500 people. Based on > the average household usage, 200 megawatts will power 40,000 U.S. homes. > > > >Produced at less than $1 per watt, the panels will dramatically reduce the > cost of generating solar electricity and could power homes and businesses > around the globe with clean energy for roughly the same cost as traditionally > generated electricity. > > > >Sampath has developed a continuous, automated manufacturing process for > solar panels using glass coating with a cadmium telluride thin film instead > of the standard high-cost crystalline silicon. Because the process produces > high efficiency devices (ranging from 11% to 13%) at a very high rate and > yield, it can be done much more cheaply than with existing technologies. The > cost to the consumer could be as low as $2 per watt, about half the current > cost of solar panels. In addition, this solar technology need not be tied to > a grid, so it can be affordably installed and operated in nearly any location. > > > >The process is a low waste process with less than 2% of the materials used > in production needing to be recycled. It also makes better use of raw > materials since the process converts solar energy into electricity more > efficiently. Cadmium telluride solar panels require 100 times less > semiconductor material than high-cost crystalline silicon panels. > > > >"This technology offers a significant improvement in capital and labor > productivity and overall manufacturing efficiency," said Sampath, director of > Colorado State's Materials Engineering Laboratory. > > > >Sampath has spent the past 16 years perfecting the technology. In that > time, annual global sales of photovoltaic technology have grown to > approximately 2 gigawatts or two billion watts -- roughly a $
Re: [Biofuel] New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production -
Cadmium telluride cell efficiency used to be pitifull (around 2-4 percent) but that was years ago. These guys are saying 11-13 percent. Not bad and it will improve over time for sure. I'm kind of wondering if some of this tech wasn't "borrowed" from a Canadian tech co. I have a stack of gov of Canada renewable energy grant final reports from the mid '80's. One of the co's was making prototype cells silk screening cadmium telluride pastes on to glass and plastic substrates. Lots of info from the early days on variations of these cells. I will dig some of it up and post it if anyone is interested. Things have obviously improved drastically since then and this latest piece is encouraging...we'll see regards tallex > ---Original Message--- > From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - > Sent: 10 Sep '07 15:50 > > Cad telluride - low efficiency I think > > Dawie Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't you hate it when people talk > about "100 times less"? How little was it to begin with, if the littleness is > now 100 times more? Logically, "100 times less" means -99 times as much: x - > 100x = -99x. Or do they mean 1% as much? If so, this sounds promising. I'd > like to have an idea of the durability of these panels, though, compared to > the conventional sort, not to mention the wattage per unit of area one might > reasonably expect. -D > > > - Original Message > From: AltEnergyNetwork > To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org > Sent: Monday, 10 September, 2007 4:50:00 PM > Subject: [Biofuel] New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - > > > New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - > Colorado's State Univ.'s panels will cost less than $1 per watt > > http://www.industryweek.com/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=14932&SectionID=4 > > Sept. 10, 2007 -- Colorado State University's method for manufacturing > low-cost, high-efficiency solar panels is nearing mass production. AVA Solar > Inc. will start production by the end of next year on the technology > developed by mechanical engineering Professor W.S. Sampath at Colorado State. > The new 200-megawatt factory is expected to employ up to 500 people. Based on > the average household usage, 200 megawatts will power 40,000 U.S. homes. > > Produced at less than $1 per watt, the panels will dramatically reduce the > cost of generating solar electricity and could power homes and businesses > around the globe with clean energy for roughly the same cost as traditionally > generated electricity. > > Sampath has developed a continuous, automated manufacturing process for > solar panels using glass coating with a cadmium telluride thin film instead > of the standard high-cost crystalline silicon. Because the process produces > high efficiency devices (ranging from 11% to 13%) at a very high rate and > yield, it can be done much more cheaply than with existing technologies. The > cost to the consumer could be as low as $2 per watt, about half the current > cost of solar panels. In addition, this solar technology need not be tied to > a grid, so it can be affordably installed and operated in nearly any location. > > The process is a low waste process with less than 2% of the materials used > in production needing to be recycled. It also makes better use of raw > materials since the process converts solar energy into electricity more > efficiently. Cadmium telluride solar panels require 100 times less > semiconductor material than high-cost crystalline silicon panels. > > "This technology offers a significant improvement in capital and labor > productivity and overall manufacturing efficiency," said Sampath, director of > Colorado State's Materials Engineering Laboratory. > > Sampath has spent the past 16 years perfecting the technology. In that time, > annual global sales of photovoltaic technology have grown to approximately 2 > gigawatts or two billion watts -- roughly a $6 billion industry. Demand has > increased nearly 40% a year for each of the past five years -- a trend that > analysts and industry experts expect to continue. > > By 2010, solar cell manufacturing is expected to be a $25 billion-plus > industry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your daily alternative energy news > > Alternate Energy Resource Network > 1000+ news sources-resources > updated daily > > http://www.alternate-energy.net > > > Alternate Energy Reso
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Dear All, I'd like to know the relative weight of the new panels as well as the environmental impact of the cadmium telluride from mines to landfills. Regards, Wendell >From: Dawie Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2007/09/10 Mon AM 10:37:01 CDT >To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - >Don't you hate it when people talk about "100 times less"? How little was it >to begin with, if the littleness is now 100 times more? Logically, "100 times >less" means -99 times as much: x - 100x = -99x. Or do they mean 1% as much? If >so, this sounds promising. I'd like to have an idea of the durability of these >panels, though, compared to the conventional sort, not to mention the wattage >per unit of area one might reasonably expect. -D > > >- Original Message >From: AltEnergyNetwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org >Sent: Monday, 10 September, 2007 4:50:00 PM >Subject: [Biofuel] New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - > > >New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - >Colorado's State Univ.'s panels will cost less than $1 per watt > >http://www.industryweek.com/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=14932&SectionID=4 > >Sept. 10, 2007 -- Colorado State University's method for manufacturing >low-cost, high-efficiency solar panels is nearing mass production. AVA Solar >Inc. will start production by the end of next year on the technology developed >by mechanical engineering Professor W.S. Sampath at Colorado State. The new >200-megawatt factory is expected to employ up to 500 people. Based on the >average household usage, 200 megawatts will power 40,000 U.S. homes. > >Produced at less than $1 per watt, the panels will dramatically reduce the >cost of generating solar electricity and could power homes and businesses >around the globe with clean energy for roughly the same cost as traditionally >generated electricity. > >Sampath has developed a continuous, automated manufacturing process for solar >panels using glass coating with a cadmium telluride thin film instead of the >standard high-cost crystalline silicon. Because the process produces high >efficiency devices (ranging from 11% to 13%) at a very high rate and yield, it >can be done much more cheaply than with existing technologies. The cost to the >consumer could be as low as $2 per watt, about half the current cost of solar >panels. In addition, this solar technology need not be tied to a grid, so it >can be affordably installed and operated in nearly any location. > >The process is a low waste process with less than 2% of the materials used in >production needing to be recycled. It also makes better use of raw materials >since the process converts solar energy into electricity more efficiently. >Cadmium telluride solar panels require 100 times less semiconductor material >than high-cost crystalline silicon panels. > >"This technology offers a significant improvement in capital and labor >productivity and overall manufacturing efficiency," said Sampath, director of >Colorado State's Materials Engineering Laboratory. > >Sampath has spent the past 16 years perfecting the technology. In that time, >annual global sales of photovoltaic technology have grown to approximately 2 >gigawatts or two billion watts -- roughly a $6 billion industry. Demand has >increased nearly 40% a year for each of the past five years -- a trend that >analysts and industry experts expect to continue. > >By 2010, solar cell manufacturing is expected to be a $25 billion-plus >industry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Get your daily alternative energy news > >Alternate Energy Resource Network >1000+ news sources-resources >updated daily > >http://www.alternate-energy.net > > >Alternate Energy Resource Network Blog >http://blog.alternate-energy.net/index.php > > > >Next_Generation_Grid > >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid > > >Alternative_Energy_Politics > >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics > > >Tomorrow-energy > >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy > > >Earth_Rescue_International > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International > > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combin
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the article tates 11% to 13% efficiency, which i assume means conversion efficiency. today's best cells can achieve in the range of 20% to 30%, but they are hardly inexpensive. as compared to the traditional conversion efficiency fo 5%, 11-13 is pretty good. i also wonder how long of a life they have, though. On 9/10/07, Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cad telluride - low efficiency I think > > Dawie Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't you hate it when people talk > about "100 times less"? How little was it to begin with, if the littleness is > now 100 times more? Logically, "100 times less" means -99 times as much: x - > 100x = -99x. Or do they mean 1% as much? If so, this sounds promising. I'd > like to have an idea of the durability of these panels, though, compared to > the conventional sort, not to mention the wattage per unit of area one might > reasonably expect. -D > > > - Original Message > From: AltEnergyNetwork > To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org > Sent: Monday, 10 September, 2007 4:50:00 PM > Subject: [Biofuel] New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - > > > New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - > Colorado's State Univ.'s panels will cost less than $1 per watt > > http://www.industryweek.com/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=14932&SectionID=4 > > Sept. 10, 2007 -- Colorado State University's method for manufacturing > low-cost, high-efficiency solar panels is nearing mass production. AVA Solar > Inc. will start production by the end of next year on the technology > developed by mechanical engineering Professor W.S. Sampath at Colorado State. > The new 200-megawatt factory is expected to employ up to 500 people. Based on > the average household usage, 200 megawatts will power 40,000 U.S. homes. > > Produced at less than $1 per watt, the panels will dramatically reduce the > cost of generating solar electricity and could power homes and businesses > around the globe with clean energy for roughly the same cost as traditionally > generated electricity. > > Sampath has developed a continuous, automated manufacturing process for solar > panels using glass coating with a cadmium telluride thin film instead of the > standard high-cost crystalline silicon. Because the process produces high > efficiency devices (ranging from 11% to 13%) at a very high rate and yield, > it can be done much more cheaply than with existing technologies. The cost to > the consumer could be as low as $2 per watt, about half the current cost of > solar panels. In addition, this solar technology need not be tied to a grid, > so it can be affordably installed and operated in nearly any location. > > The process is a low waste process with less than 2% of the materials used in > production needing to be recycled. It also makes better use of raw materials > since the process converts solar energy into electricity more efficiently. > Cadmium telluride solar panels require 100 times less semiconductor material > than high-cost crystalline silicon panels. > > "This technology offers a significant improvement in capital and labor > productivity and overall manufacturing efficiency," said Sampath, director of > Colorado State's Materials Engineering Laboratory. > > Sampath has spent the past 16 years perfecting the technology. In that time, > annual global sales of photovoltaic technology have grown to approximately 2 > gigawatts or two billion watts -- roughly a $6 billion industry. Demand has > increased nearly 40% a year for each of the past five years -- a trend that > analysts and industry experts expect to continue. > > By 2010, solar cell manufacturing is expected to be a $25 billion-plus > industry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your daily alternative energy news > > Alternate Energy Resource Network > 1000+ news sources-resources > updated daily > > http://www.alternate-energy.net > > > Alternate Energy Resource Network Blog > http://blog.alternate-energy.net/index.php > > > > Next_Generation_Grid > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid > > > Alternative_Energy_Politics > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics > > > Tomorrow-energy > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy > > > Earth_Rescue_International > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ > Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good > http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html > -- nex
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Cad telluride - low efficiency I think Dawie Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't you hate it when people talk about "100 times less"? How little was it to begin with, if the littleness is now 100 times more? Logically, "100 times less" means -99 times as much: x - 100x = -99x. Or do they mean 1% as much? If so, this sounds promising. I'd like to have an idea of the durability of these panels, though, compared to the conventional sort, not to mention the wattage per unit of area one might reasonably expect. -D - Original Message From: AltEnergyNetwork To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, 10 September, 2007 4:50:00 PM Subject: [Biofuel] New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - Colorado's State Univ.'s panels will cost less than $1 per watt http://www.industryweek.com/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=14932&SectionID=4 Sept. 10, 2007 -- Colorado State University's method for manufacturing low-cost, high-efficiency solar panels is nearing mass production. AVA Solar Inc. will start production by the end of next year on the technology developed by mechanical engineering Professor W.S. Sampath at Colorado State. The new 200-megawatt factory is expected to employ up to 500 people. Based on the average household usage, 200 megawatts will power 40,000 U.S. homes. Produced at less than $1 per watt, the panels will dramatically reduce the cost of generating solar electricity and could power homes and businesses around the globe with clean energy for roughly the same cost as traditionally generated electricity. Sampath has developed a continuous, automated manufacturing process for solar panels using glass coating with a cadmium telluride thin film instead of the standard high-cost crystalline silicon. Because the process produces high efficiency devices (ranging from 11% to 13%) at a very high rate and yield, it can be done much more cheaply than with existing technologies. The cost to the consumer could be as low as $2 per watt, about half the current cost of solar panels. In addition, this solar technology need not be tied to a grid, so it can be affordably installed and operated in nearly any location. The process is a low waste process with less than 2% of the materials used in production needing to be recycled. It also makes better use of raw materials since the process converts solar energy into electricity more efficiently. Cadmium telluride solar panels require 100 times less semiconductor material than high-cost crystalline silicon panels. "This technology offers a significant improvement in capital and labor productivity and overall manufacturing efficiency," said Sampath, director of Colorado State's Materials Engineering Laboratory. Sampath has spent the past 16 years perfecting the technology. In that time, annual global sales of photovoltaic technology have grown to approximately 2 gigawatts or two billion watts -- roughly a $6 billion industry. Demand has increased nearly 40% a year for each of the past five years -- a trend that analysts and industry experts expect to continue. By 2010, solar cell manufacturing is expected to be a $25 billion-plus industry. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Alternate Energy Resource Network Blog http://blog.alternate-energy.net/index.php Next_Generation_Grid http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid Alternative_Energy_Politics http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics Tomorrow-energy http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070910/19cec847/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Looking for a deal? Find grea
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Don't you hate it when people talk about "100 times less"? How little was it to begin with, if the littleness is now 100 times more? Logically, "100 times less" means -99 times as much: x - 100x = -99x. Or do they mean 1% as much? If so, this sounds promising. I'd like to have an idea of the durability of these panels, though, compared to the conventional sort, not to mention the wattage per unit of area one might reasonably expect. -D - Original Message From: AltEnergyNetwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, 10 September, 2007 4:50:00 PM Subject: [Biofuel] New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production - Colorado's State Univ.'s panels will cost less than $1 per watt http://www.industryweek.com/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=14932&SectionID=4 Sept. 10, 2007 -- Colorado State University's method for manufacturing low-cost, high-efficiency solar panels is nearing mass production. AVA Solar Inc. will start production by the end of next year on the technology developed by mechanical engineering Professor W.S. Sampath at Colorado State. The new 200-megawatt factory is expected to employ up to 500 people. Based on the average household usage, 200 megawatts will power 40,000 U.S. homes. Produced at less than $1 per watt, the panels will dramatically reduce the cost of generating solar electricity and could power homes and businesses around the globe with clean energy for roughly the same cost as traditionally generated electricity. Sampath has developed a continuous, automated manufacturing process for solar panels using glass coating with a cadmium telluride thin film instead of the standard high-cost crystalline silicon. Because the process produces high efficiency devices (ranging from 11% to 13%) at a very high rate and yield, it can be done much more cheaply than with existing technologies. The cost to the consumer could be as low as $2 per watt, about half the current cost of solar panels. In addition, this solar technology need not be tied to a grid, so it can be affordably installed and operated in nearly any location. The process is a low waste process with less than 2% of the materials used in production needing to be recycled. It also makes better use of raw materials since the process converts solar energy into electricity more efficiently. Cadmium telluride solar panels require 100 times less semiconductor material than high-cost crystalline silicon panels. "This technology offers a significant improvement in capital and labor productivity and overall manufacturing efficiency," said Sampath, director of Colorado State's Materials Engineering Laboratory. Sampath has spent the past 16 years perfecting the technology. In that time, annual global sales of photovoltaic technology have grown to approximately 2 gigawatts or two billion watts -- roughly a $6 billion industry. Demand has increased nearly 40% a year for each of the past five years -- a trend that analysts and industry experts expect to continue. By 2010, solar cell manufacturing is expected to be a $25 billion-plus industry. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Alternate Energy Resource Network Blog http://blog.alternate-energy.net/index.php Next_Generation_Grid http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid Alternative_Energy_Politics http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics Tomorrow-energy http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070910/19cec847/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
