Re: [Biofuel] Why the U.S is a broadband ghetto
so what we REALLY need is for someone to get the idea that building a ninny little slow server isnt going to score them any points, and to actually try to use the resources they pay for? wow that makes so much sense it hurts. (good luck getting it to happen) Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Why the U.S is a broadband ghetto > > Hi Kirk, > I think business intranets can benefit from super fast connects. Also > gamers. As folks see that > faster speeds are available o'seas for much less than we're getting stuck > with, then they might > start complaining to their congress reps. Yeah, it does seem that the > fastest downloads I've > gotten have been about 0.5 megabits/sec. The downloading server is the > weak > link, I can't get bits > here any faster than the server can spit them out. But, there is a > technology called bit torrents > which allows downloads from multiple servers simultaneously. This allows > big > files, like movies, to > be downloaded in minutes, if one has a broadband connection. Limewire, a > peer-to-peer file sharing program > uses it, I believe. > Peace, D. Mindock > > - Original Message - > From: Kirk McLoren > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Why the U.S is a broadband ghetto > > > I have a megabit link and always use less than that. The problem is the > bandwidth is no greater than the weakest link and most servers limit any > service request to 128k bit - some 64k. > > I download hour long mp3s from Ultima Thule ( > http://www.ultimathule.info/ ) > and 128 is the best I have ever done although > http://www.connectfusion.com/ > connect fusion sometimes gets faster. Depends on the server. Connect > fusion > is the way to go if you download a lot. It is open source so no > spyware. -- > And it is free. > > I still burn cds and give them to friends rather than them downloading > too. > > Kirk > > "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In S. Korea, you can get 100Mbs broadband for about 20 dollars > a month. Here, Charter costs $42 a month for 3Mbs although they > do run ongoing promotions. I pay $30 a month. In Hong Kong, > 1000Mbs is available, though not so cheap, at $215 a month. But it is > there for those that need it. Not here. Charter just came up with > 10Mbs and they act like that's so fast, argh. Peace, D. Mindock > http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/3468 > Why the U.S is a broadband ghetto > By Preston Gralla on Wed, 09/13/2006 - 4:46pm > Feeling smug about your broadband speed? Wipe that smile off your face, > because when it comes to broadband, the U.S. lags behind the rest of the > world. In fact, we're a lowly 16th when it comes to broadband penetration. > > Just consider this: We pay nearly twice as much as consumers do in Japan > for > connections 20 times slower than they get. > > You can find these depressing facts, and more, in a new report from Free > Press, the Consumer Federation of America and Consumers Union. (The > executive summary is here. The full report is here.) > > The report also notes that the digital divide, when it comes to broadband, > is only getting worse in the U.S. > > Why have we become a broadband ghetto? The report points the finger at the > FCC. It claims that the FCC has refused to take any actions to ensure > broadband competition, help us all get higher broadband speeds, and bridge > the digital divide. Instead, the report claims. Instead, it cooks up phony > numbers to make it appear as if everything is rosy. > > And the report concludes that things are only going to get worse, because > Congress has refused to pass any network neutrality legislation. > > "Not only have we failed to craft policies encouraging competition, but we > are poised to strip away the nondiscrimination rules that keep network > owners from undercutting Internet content market," Ben Scott, policy > director of Free Press said in a press release. "Scrapping net neutrality > will not bring us better broadband. But it will end any hope of meaningful > competition in high-speed Internet services for a generation." > > Unfortunately, I think he's right. > Filed under : Networking > Preston Gralla's blog > > > Anonymous wrote: > What would be the reaction if the goverment started selling off interstate > highway to companies with a "value pricing" business model. Say UPS were > to > buy a few and decide that competing shipper
Re: [Biofuel] Why the U.S is a broadband ghetto
just a feeble attempt at a Witz... ds Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: >Hallo Doug, > >The conspiracy theorist in you (and perhaps the cynic) doesn't >understand how intercept works. The speed of the transmission has >nothing to do with it as once it is intercepted it can be slowed down >to a crawl and dissected. Don't ever short change NSA. ;o) > >Happy Happy, > >Gustl > >Saturday, 16 September, 2006, 06:43:38, you wrote: > >ds> The conspiracy theorist in me (and perhaps the cynic) believes we are >ds> limited in our internet connection speeds because the FBI and NSA can't >ds> read your data transmissions that fast. Now, if they'd stop moving >ds> their lips while reading they could read faster! > >ds> doug swanson >...snip... > > -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Why the U.S is a broadband ghetto
Hallo Doug, The conspiracy theorist in you (and perhaps the cynic) doesn't understand how intercept works. The speed of the transmission has nothing to do with it as once it is intercepted it can be slowed down to a crawl and dissected. Don't ever short change NSA. ;o) Happy Happy, Gustl Saturday, 16 September, 2006, 06:43:38, you wrote: ds> The conspiracy theorist in me (and perhaps the cynic) believes we are ds> limited in our internet connection speeds because the FBI and NSA can't ds> read your data transmissions that fast. Now, if they'd stop moving ds> their lips while reading they could read faster! ds> doug swanson ...snip... -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Why the U.S is a broadband ghetto
The conspiracy theorist in me (and perhaps the cynic) believes we are limited in our internet connection speeds because the FBI and NSA can't read your data transmissions that fast. Now, if they'd stop moving their lips while reading they could read faster! doug swanson D. Mindock wrote: >Hi Kirk, >I think business intranets can benefit from super fast connects. Also >gamers. As folks see that >faster speeds are available o'seas for much less than we're getting stuck >with, then they might >start complaining to their congress reps. Yeah, it does seem that the >fastest downloads I've >gotten have been about 0.5 megabits/sec. The downloading server is the weak >link, I can't get bits >here any faster than the server can spit them out. But, there is a >technology called bit torrents >which allows downloads from multiple servers simultaneously. This allows big >files, like movies, to >be downloaded in minutes, if one has a broadband connection. Limewire, a >peer-to-peer file sharing program >uses it, I believe. >Peace, D. Mindock > >- Original Message - >From: Kirk McLoren >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:16 PM >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Why the U.S is a broadband ghetto > > >I have a megabit link and always use less than that. The problem is the >bandwidth is no greater than the weakest link and most servers limit any >service request to 128k bit - some 64k. > >I download hour long mp3s from Ultima Thule ( http://www.ultimathule.info/ ) >and 128 is the best I have ever done although http://www.connectfusion.com/ >connect fusion sometimes gets faster. Depends on the server. Connect fusion >is the way to go if you download a lot. It is open source so no spyware. -- >And it is free. > >I still burn cds and give them to friends rather than them downloading too. > >Kirk > >"D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In S. Korea, you can get 100Mbs broadband for about 20 dollars >a month. Here, Charter costs $42 a month for 3Mbs although they >do run ongoing promotions. I pay $30 a month. In Hong Kong, >1000Mbs is available, though not so cheap, at $215 a month. But it is >there for those that need it. Not here. Charter just came up with >10Mbs and they act like that's so fast, argh. Peace, D. Mindock >http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/3468 >Why the U.S is a broadband ghetto >By Preston Gralla on Wed, 09/13/2006 - 4:46pm >Feeling smug about your broadband speed? Wipe that smile off your face, >because when it comes to broadband, the U.S. lags behind the rest of the >world. In fact, we're a lowly 16th when it comes to broadband penetration. > >Just consider this: We pay nearly twice as much as consumers do in Japan for >connections 20 times slower than they get. > >You can find these depressing facts, and more, in a new report from Free >Press, the Consumer Federation of America and Consumers Union. (The >executive summary is here. The full report is here.) > >The report also notes that the digital divide, when it comes to broadband, >is only getting worse in the U.S. > >Why have we become a broadband ghetto? The report points the finger at the >FCC. It claims that the FCC has refused to take any actions to ensure >broadband competition, help us all get higher broadband speeds, and bridge >the digital divide. Instead, the report claims. Instead, it cooks up phony >numbers to make it appear as if everything is rosy. > >And the report concludes that things are only going to get worse, because >Congress has refused to pass any network neutrality legislation. > >"Not only have we failed to craft policies encouraging competition, but we >are poised to strip away the nondiscrimination rules that keep network >owners from undercutting Internet content market," Ben Scott, policy >director of Free Press said in a press release. "Scrapping net neutrality >will not bring us better broadband. But it will end any hope of meaningful >competition in high-speed Internet services for a generation." > >Unfortunately, I think he's right. >Filed under : Networking >Preston Gralla's blog > > >Anonymous wrote: >What would be the reaction if the goverment started selling off interstate >highway to companies with a "value pricing" business model. Say UPS were to >buy a few and decide that competing shippers would have to pay $1000/mile >for use. Or Toyota was to buy some and announce that only cars they sold >could use the roads. Failing to preserve net-neutrality doesn't look pretty >from here. >Posted on Wed, 09/13/2006 - 5:44pm| reply >_
Re: [Biofuel] Why the U.S is a broadband ghetto
Hi Kirk, I think business intranets can benefit from super fast connects. Also gamers. As folks see that faster speeds are available o'seas for much less than we're getting stuck with, then they might start complaining to their congress reps. Yeah, it does seem that the fastest downloads I've gotten have been about 0.5 megabits/sec. The downloading server is the weak link, I can't get bits here any faster than the server can spit them out. But, there is a technology called bit torrents which allows downloads from multiple servers simultaneously. This allows big files, like movies, to be downloaded in minutes, if one has a broadband connection. Limewire, a peer-to-peer file sharing program uses it, I believe. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Why the U.S is a broadband ghetto I have a megabit link and always use less than that. The problem is the bandwidth is no greater than the weakest link and most servers limit any service request to 128k bit - some 64k. I download hour long mp3s from Ultima Thule ( http://www.ultimathule.info/ ) and 128 is the best I have ever done although http://www.connectfusion.com/ connect fusion sometimes gets faster. Depends on the server. Connect fusion is the way to go if you download a lot. It is open source so no spyware. -- And it is free. I still burn cds and give them to friends rather than them downloading too. Kirk "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In S. Korea, you can get 100Mbs broadband for about 20 dollars a month. Here, Charter costs $42 a month for 3Mbs although they do run ongoing promotions. I pay $30 a month. In Hong Kong, 1000Mbs is available, though not so cheap, at $215 a month. But it is there for those that need it. Not here. Charter just came up with 10Mbs and they act like that's so fast, argh. Peace, D. Mindock http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/3468 Why the U.S is a broadband ghetto By Preston Gralla on Wed, 09/13/2006 - 4:46pm Feeling smug about your broadband speed? Wipe that smile off your face, because when it comes to broadband, the U.S. lags behind the rest of the world. In fact, we're a lowly 16th when it comes to broadband penetration. Just consider this: We pay nearly twice as much as consumers do in Japan for connections 20 times slower than they get. You can find these depressing facts, and more, in a new report from Free Press, the Consumer Federation of America and Consumers Union. (The executive summary is here. The full report is here.) The report also notes that the digital divide, when it comes to broadband, is only getting worse in the U.S. Why have we become a broadband ghetto? The report points the finger at the FCC. It claims that the FCC has refused to take any actions to ensure broadband competition, help us all get higher broadband speeds, and bridge the digital divide. Instead, the report claims. Instead, it cooks up phony numbers to make it appear as if everything is rosy. And the report concludes that things are only going to get worse, because Congress has refused to pass any network neutrality legislation. "Not only have we failed to craft policies encouraging competition, but we are poised to strip away the nondiscrimination rules that keep network owners from undercutting Internet content market," Ben Scott, policy director of Free Press said in a press release. "Scrapping net neutrality will not bring us better broadband. But it will end any hope of meaningful competition in high-speed Internet services for a generation." Unfortunately, I think he's right. Filed under : Networking Preston Gralla's blog Anonymous wrote: What would be the reaction if the goverment started selling off interstate highway to companies with a "value pricing" business model. Say UPS were to buy a few and decide that competing shippers would have to pay $1000/mile for use. Or Toyota was to buy some and announce that only cars they sold could use the roads. Failing to preserve net-neutrality doesn't look pretty from here. Posted on Wed, 09/13/2006 - 5:44pm| reply ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Why the U.S is a broadband ghetto
I have a megabit link and always use less than that. The problem is the bandwidth is no greater than the weakest link and most servers limit any service request to 128k bit - some 64k. I download hour long mp3s from Ultima Thule ( http://www.ultimathule.info/ ) and 128 is the best I have ever done although http://www.connectfusion.com/ connect fusion sometimes gets faster. Depends on the server. Connect fusion is the way to go if you download a lot. It is open source so no spyware. -- And it is free. I still burn cds and give them to friends rather than them downloading too. Kirk"D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:In S. Korea, you can get 100Mbs broadband for about 20 dollarsa month. Here, Charter costs $42 a month for 3Mbs although theydo run ongoing promotions. I pay $30 a month. In Hong Kong,1000Mbs is available, though not so cheap, at $215 a month. But it is there for those that need it. Not here. Charter just came up with10Mbs and they act like that's so fast, argh. Peace, D. Mindock http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/3468 Why the U.S is a broadband ghetto By Preston Gralla on Wed, 09/13/2006 - 4:46pmFeeling smug about your broadband speed? Wipe that smile off your face, because when it comes to broadband, the U.S. lags behind the rest of the world. In fact, we're a lowly 16th when it comes to broadband penetration. Just consider this: We pay nearly twice as much as consumers do in Japan for connections 20 times slower than they get. You can find these depressing facts, and more, in a new report from Free Press, the Consumer Federation of America and Consumers Union. (The executive summary is here. The full report is here.) The report also notes that the digital divide, when it comes to broadband, is only getting worse in the U.S. Why have we become a broadband ghetto? The report points the finger at the FCC. It claims that the FCC has refused to take any actions to ensure broadband competition, help us all get higher broadband speeds, and bridge the digital divide. Instead, the report claims. Instead, it cooks up phony numbers to make it appear as if everything is rosy. And the report concludes that things are only going to get worse, because Congress has refused to pass any network neutrality legislation. "Not only have we failed to craft policies encouraging competition, but we are poised to strip away the nondiscrimination rules that keep network owners from undercutting Internet content market," Ben Scott, policy director of Free Press said in a press release. "Scrapping net neutrality will not bring us better broadband. But it will end any hope of meaningful competition in high-speed Internet services for a generation." Unfortunately, I think he's right. Filed under : Networking Preston Gralla's blog Anonymous wrote:What would be the reaction if the goverment started selling off interstate highway to companies with a "value pricing" business model. Say UPS were to buy a few and decide that competing shippers would have to pay $1000/mile for use. Or Toyota was to buy some and announce that only cars they sold could use the roads. Failing to preserve net-neutrality doesn't look pretty from here. Posted on Wed, 09/13/2006 - 5:44pm| reply___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
