Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Michele Stephenson]

Thank you Doug & Darryl for all of the energy and dedication to keep things 
going.

After all the years of reading and lurking, this year i will start practicing 
wvo to biofuel. I have Kieth's book and the archives to go by so i feel 
confident. However, i will miss the world-wide connection to like-minded folks. 

I wish everyone the best. 

M 

> On Apr 17, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Doug Younker  wrote:
> 
> I guess I'm sorta left, in more ways than one,depending who is talking about 
> me. I admit I don't devote a lot of time to the email list Hover I'll will 
> follow the group/list to wherever it migrates too, if it migrates at all.  
> All good things come to on end that is particularity true of thing that are 
> of low or now cost to the ultimate consumer, I can't complain. I don't know 
> to what degree they would be valuable will the archives be saved somehow?. In 
> the event they could be compiled into file that's usable I would me more than 
> happy to put such fa file in my peer to peer folder where the file would be 
> support by BitTorrent distribution.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Doug
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Mark Cookson]

Thank you Doug and thank you Darryl..
All the best
Mark 

Sent from Marks iphone


> On 18 Apr 2017, at 01:23, Darryl McMahon  wrote:
> 
> Just to re-iterate a couple of points.
> 
> The archive of the Biofuel (2 iterations) and Biofuels-biz e-mail lists is 
> still available on-line at: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org/
> 
> A continuation of the biofuel e-mail list is now available at: 
> https://www.freelists.org/list/keiths-list
> 
> It is free to access and subscribe.  Responses are currently moderated (by 
> me), but I will open up on a person-by-person basis as people contribute and 
> choose to behave as adults.
> 
> Darryl McMahon
> 
>> On 4/17/2017 7:59 PM, Doug Younker wrote:
>> I guess I'm sorta left, in more ways than one,depending who is talking
>> about me. I admit I don't devote a lot of time to the email list Hover
>> I'll will follow the group/list to wherever it migrates too, if it
>> migrates at all.  All good things come to on end that is particularity
>> true of thing that are of low or now cost to the ultimate consumer, I
>> can't complain. I don't know to what degree they would be valuable will
>> the archives be saved somehow?. In the event they could be compiled into
>> file that's usable I would me more than happy to put such fa file in my
>> peer to peer folder where the file would be support by BitTorrent
>> distribution.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Darryl McMahon]

Just to re-iterate a couple of points.

The archive of the Biofuel (2 iterations) and Biofuels-biz e-mail lists 
is still available on-line at: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org/


A continuation of the biofuel e-mail list is now available at: 
https://www.freelists.org/list/keiths-list


It is free to access and subscribe.  Responses are currently moderated 
(by me), but I will open up on a person-by-person basis as people 
contribute and choose to behave as adults.


Darryl McMahon

On 4/17/2017 7:59 PM, Doug Younker wrote:

I guess I'm sorta left, in more ways than one,depending who is talking
about me. I admit I don't devote a lot of time to the email list Hover
I'll will follow the group/list to wherever it migrates too, if it
migrates at all.  All good things come to on end that is particularity
true of thing that are of low or now cost to the ultimate consumer, I
can't complain. I don't know to what degree they would be valuable will
the archives be saved somehow?. In the event they could be compiled into
file that's usable I would me more than happy to put such fa file in my
peer to peer folder where the file would be support by BitTorrent
distribution.

 Regards

Doug




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Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Doug Younker]

I guess I'm sorta left, in more ways than one,depending who is talking 
about me. I admit I don't devote a lot of time to the email list Hover 
I'll will follow the group/list to wherever it migrates too, if it 
migrates at all.  All good things come to on end that is particularity 
true of thing that are of low or now cost to the ultimate consumer, I 
can't complain. I don't know to what degree they would be valuable will 
the archives be saved somehow?. In the event they could be compiled into 
file that's usable I would me more than happy to put such fa file in my 
peer to peer folder where the file would be support by BitTorrent 
distribution.


 Regards

Doug


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Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Chandan Haldar]

Chip,

Hello from India.  This is cool stuff.  Please keep me in the loop.

All best.

Chandan


On Thursday 16 March 2017 09:03 PM, Chip Mefford wrote:


Good day all of you who are left,

I really want to thank everyone who has sent their
thoughts on taking the list down. There have been
some, , no, not some, all, great stories.

Before I take the list down, ,
I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
something like this going.

reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a
new software project that I find very exciting, and
hence have chosen to do the work to update my
respective servers, including the mailing list server.

Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
(being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
at resolving some things in my life by not doing
systems administration have cropped back up again,
so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped.

So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
skills I had developed, even though I am moving into
my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
in.

The project of which I speak is FarmOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM

Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest,
I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
community.

Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;

--chipper
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Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Zeke Yewdall]

Yes, sign me up.

Zeke



On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 3:55 AM, Ivan Menchero 
wrote:

> sign me in, look like a great idea
>
>
> Sent from Outlook
>
>
> 
> From: sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org <
> sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org> on behalf of
> Chip Mefford 
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 3:33 PM
> To: sustainablelorgbiofuel
> Subject: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the
> list, , , , but first, please read
>
>
>
> Good day all of you who are left,
>
> I really want to thank everyone who has sent their
> thoughts on taking the list down. There have been
> some, , no, not some, all, great stories.
>
> Before I take the list down, ,
> I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
> something like this going.
>
> reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a
> new software project that I find very exciting, and
> hence have chosen to do the work to update my
> respective servers, including the mailing list server.
>
> Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
> over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
> IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
> (being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
> to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
> this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
> at resolving some things in my life by not doing
> systems administration have cropped back up again,
> so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped.
>
> So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
> skills I had developed, even though I am moving into
> my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
> in.
>
> The project of which I speak is FarmOS
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM
>
> Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest,
> I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
> community.
>
> Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;
>
> --chipper
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[Ivan Menchero]

sign me in, look like a great idea


Sent from Outlook



From: sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org 
 on behalf of Chip 
Mefford 
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 3:33 PM
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel
Subject: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , 
, but first, please read



Good day all of you who are left,

I really want to thank everyone who has sent their
thoughts on taking the list down. There have been
some, , no, not some, all, great stories.

Before I take the list down, ,
I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
something like this going.

reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a
new software project that I find very exciting, and
hence have chosen to do the work to update my
respective servers, including the mailing list server.

Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
(being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
at resolving some things in my life by not doing
systems administration have cropped back up again,
so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped.

So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
skills I had developed, even though I am moving into
my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
in.

The project of which I speak is FarmOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM

Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest,
I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
community.

Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;

--chipper
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Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Doug]

Me too please.

regards, Doug

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 07:26:31 +1100 (AEDT)
Tony croft_2j <croft...@bigpond.com> wrote:

> What a brilliant Idea it is about time the Farmers of this world took 
> and had control of their livelyhoods
> I Like Marc have also been a fly on the wall for many years
> 
> I have also been into Permaculture since 1978 but health has slowed me 
> down big time
> I hope even if it is a few ideas I through your way I can help in some 
> small way
> 
> Tony Lush
> Western Australia
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Marc Perry" <marcpe...@comcast.net>
> To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
> Sent: Sunday, 19 Mar, 2017 At 12:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down 
> the list, , , , but first, please read
> 
> Please include me also…I have been a fly on the wall for a few years now 
> and wish to continue.
> Thanks!
> Marc
> Marc O. Perry
> marcpe...@comcast.net
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/16/17, 11:33 AM, "Chip Mefford" 
> <sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org on behalf of 
> c...@well.com> wrote:
> 
>  Good day all of you who are left,
> 
>  I really want to thank everyone who has sent their
>  thoughts on taking the list down. There have been
>  some, , no, not some, all, great stories.
> 
>  Before I take the list down, ,
>  I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
>  something like this going.
> 
>  reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a
>  new software project that I find very exciting, and
>  hence have chosen to do the work to update my
>  respective servers, including the mailing list server.
> 
>  Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
>  over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
>  IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
>  (being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
>  to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
>  this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
>  at resolving some things in my life by not doing
>  systems administration have cropped back up again,
>  so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped.
> 
>  So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
>  skills I had developed, even though I am moving into
>  my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
>  in.
> 
>  The project of which I speak is FarmOS
> 
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM
> 
>  Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest,
>  I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
>  community.
> 
>  Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;
> 
>  --chipper
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tony
> 
> First they ignore you,
> then they laugh at you,
> then they fight you,
> then you win.
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Tony croft_2j]

What a brilliant Idea it is about time the Farmers of this world took 
and had control of their livelyhoods

I Like Marc have also been a fly on the wall for many years

I have also been into Permaculture since 1978 but health has slowed me 
down big time
I hope even if it is a few ideas I through your way I can help in some 
small way


Tony Lush
Western Australia

-- Original Message --
From: "Marc Perry" <marcpe...@comcast.net>
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, 19 Mar, 2017 At 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down 
the list, , , , but first, please read


Please include me also…I have been a fly on the wall for a few years now 
and wish to continue.

Thanks!
Marc
Marc O. Perry
marcpe...@comcast.net



On 3/16/17, 11:33 AM, "Chip Mefford" 
<sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org on behalf of 
c...@well.com> wrote:


Good day all of you who are left,

I really want to thank everyone who has sent their
thoughts on taking the list down. There have been
some, , no, not some, all, great stories.

Before I take the list down, ,
I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
something like this going.

reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a
new software project that I find very exciting, and
hence have chosen to do the work to update my
respective servers, including the mailing list server.

Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
(being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
at resolving some things in my life by not doing
systems administration have cropped back up again,
so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped.

So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
skills I had developed, even though I am moving into
my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
in.

The project of which I speak is FarmOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM

Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest,
I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
community.

Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;

--chipper
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then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win.

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[Marc Perry]

Please include me also…I have been a fly on the wall for a few years now and 
wish to continue.
Thanks!
Marc
Marc O. Perry
marcpe...@comcast.net



On 3/16/17, 11:33 AM, "Chip Mefford" 
 wrote:

Good day all of you who are left, 

I really want to thank everyone who has sent their 
thoughts on taking the list down. There have been 
some, , no, not some, all, great stories. 

Before I take the list down, , 
I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
something like this going. 

reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a 
new software project that I find very exciting, and
hence have chosen to do the work to update my 
respective servers, including the mailing list server. 

Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
(being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
at resolving some things in my life by not doing 
systems administration have cropped back up again, 
so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped. 

So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
skills I had developed, even though I am moving into 
my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
in. 

The project of which I speak is FarmOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM

Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest, 
I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
community.

Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;

--chipper
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[Fred]

Add me to this too! This looks interesting!

On Mar 17, 2017 3:24 PM, "Juan Boveda"  wrote:

> Hello Chip Mefford.
> First I want to thank you for your email, the server maintenance, and the
> expenses.
> It will be great if the years of green technology and "how to do it" could
> be available in the future as a record.
> I looked at FarmOS on the Youtube link, I saw great ideas but here most of
> the farmers are old people and their strengh needs a horse or an ox to help
> them for planting as my Grandfather did with old technology
> Thank you for showing what you were doing at that farm, it is a new wave
> in agriculture from peasant peeople.
> It is a leap for farming, taking an ancient technology to the present
> state of the art digital world. It is wonderful!
> I would like you count me in.
> Best Regards.
>
> Juan Bóveda - Pilar - Paraguay
>
> El 16/03/2017 a las 12:33 p.m., Chip Mefford escribió:
>
>>
>> Good day all of you who are left,
>>
>> I really want to thank everyone who has sent their
>> thoughts on taking the list down. There have been
>> some, , no, not some, all, great stories.
>>
>> Before I take the list down, ,
>> I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
>> something like this going.
>>
>> reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a
>> new software project that I find very exciting, and
>> hence have chosen to do the work to update my
>> respective servers, including the mailing list server.
>>
>> Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
>> over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
>> IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
>> (being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
>> to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
>> this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
>> at resolving some things in my life by not doing
>> systems administration have cropped back up again,
>> so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped.
>>
>> So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
>> skills I had developed, even though I am moving into
>> my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
>> in.
>>
>> The project of which I speak is FarmOS
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM
>>
>> Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest,
>> I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
>> community.
>>
>> Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;
>>
>> --chipper
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[Juan Boveda]

Hello Chip Mefford.
First I want to thank you for your email, the server maintenance, and 
the expenses.
It will be great if the years of green technology and "how to do it" 
could be available in the future as a record.
I looked at FarmOS on the Youtube link, I saw great ideas but here most 
of the farmers are old people and their strengh needs a horse or an ox 
to help them for planting as my Grandfather did with old technology
Thank you for showing what you were doing at that farm, it is a new wave 
in agriculture from peasant peeople.
It is a leap for farming, taking an ancient technology to the present 
state of the art digital world. It is wonderful!

I would like you count me in.
Best Regards.

Juan Bóveda - Pilar - Paraguay

El 16/03/2017 a las 12:33 p.m., Chip Mefford escribió:


Good day all of you who are left,

I really want to thank everyone who has sent their
thoughts on taking the list down. There have been
some, , no, not some, all, great stories.

Before I take the list down, ,
I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
something like this going.

reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a
new software project that I find very exciting, and
hence have chosen to do the work to update my
respective servers, including the mailing list server.

Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
(being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
at resolving some things in my life by not doing
systems administration have cropped back up again,
so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped.

So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
skills I had developed, even though I am moving into
my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
in.

The project of which I speak is FarmOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM

Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest,
I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
community.

Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;

--chipper
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Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Thomas Irwin]

Hi,

This list has been so great over the years that I would hate to see it
go. However, if you do not have the time then it will have to. Thanks
for your additional attention to the list.

Sincerely,

Tom Irwin

On 3/16/17, Chip Mefford  wrote:
>
>
> Good day all of you who are left,
>
> I really want to thank everyone who has sent their
> thoughts on taking the list down. There have been
> some, , no, not some, all, great stories.
>
> Before I take the list down, ,
> I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
> something like this going.
>
> reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a
> new software project that I find very exciting, and
> hence have chosen to do the work to update my
> respective servers, including the mailing list server.
>
> Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
> over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
> IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
> (being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
> to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
> this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
> at resolving some things in my life by not doing
> systems administration have cropped back up again,
> so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped.
>
> So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
> skills I had developed, even though I am moving into
> my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
> in.
>
> The project of which I speak is FarmOS
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM
>
> Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest,
> I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
> community.
>
> Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;
>
> --chipper
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Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Tony Marzolino]

We have a farm in Upstate NY and I am interested too.  

ThanksTony MarzolinoMarz Farm3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire,NY  13736Farm: 
607-657-8534Cell: 315-378-5180www.marzfarm.comtmarzol...@yahoo.com

  From: Vin Lava <vinl...@gmail.com>
 To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org 
 Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the 
list, , , , but first, please read
   
I also have a farm in the Philippines that uses Natural Farming Technology.
I'm interested. Thanks, Chipper! :-)

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:33 PM, Chip Mefford <c...@well.com> wrote:

>
>
> Good day all of you who are left,
>
> I really want to thank everyone who has sent their
> thoughts on taking the list down. There have been
> some, , no, not some, all, great stories.
>
> Before I take the list down, ,
> I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
> something like this going.
>
> reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a
> new software project that I find very exciting, and
> hence have chosen to do the work to update my
> respective servers, including the mailing list server.
>
> Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
> over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
> IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
> (being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
> to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
> this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
> at resolving some things in my life by not doing
> systems administration have cropped back up again,
> so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped.
>
> So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
> skills I had developed, even though I am moving into
> my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
> in.
>
> The project of which I speak is FarmOS
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM
>
> Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest,
> I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
> community.
>
> Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;
>
> --chipper
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[omdatt sharma]

Good day Chip,
I would also like to migrate to the new community if and when it is formed. 
Thank you.I live in India and belong to a farming community.Best regards.
Om Datt Sharma

  From: Chip Mefford 
 To: sustainablelorgbiofuel  
 Sent: Thursday, 16 March 2017 9:03 PM
 Subject: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , 
, , but first, please read
   


Good day all of you who are left, 

I really want to thank everyone who has sent their 
thoughts on taking the list down. There have been 
some, , no, not some, all, great stories. 

Before I take the list down, , 
I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
something like this going. 

reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a 
new software project that I find very exciting, and
hence have chosen to do the work to update my 
respective servers, including the mailing list server. 

Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
(being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
at resolving some things in my life by not doing 
systems administration have cropped back up again, 
so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped. 

So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
skills I had developed, even though I am moving into 
my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
in. 

The project of which I speak is FarmOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM

Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest, 
I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
community.

Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;

--chipper
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Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Jake Kruger]

Looks cool...I'm in too!

Best,
Jake

On Mar 16, 2017 9:33 AM, "Chip Mefford"  wrote:

>
>
> Good day all of you who are left,
>
> I really want to thank everyone who has sent their
> thoughts on taking the list down. There have been
> some, , no, not some, all, great stories.
>
> Before I take the list down, ,
> I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
> something like this going.
>
> reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a
> new software project that I find very exciting, and
> hence have chosen to do the work to update my
> respective servers, including the mailing list server.
>
> Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
> over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
> IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
> (being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
> to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
> this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
> at resolving some things in my life by not doing
> systems administration have cropped back up again,
> so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped.
>
> So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
> skills I had developed, even though I am moving into
> my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
> in.
>
> The project of which I speak is FarmOS
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM
>
> Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest,
> I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
> community.
>
> Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;
>
> --chipper
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Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Oskar Bartenstein]

Great! Expanding horizons.
Yes please take this into the next phase.
With thanks and appreciation.
-- oskar
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Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Darryl McMahon]

Do you have a sense of direction or scope for this, or will it just go 
where the on-line community participants take it?


Is there a desire to use IT for small scale food production, along the 
lines of Farmbot (https://farmbot.io), or developing human-powered or 
other environmentally friendly yard / farming tools (such as the the 
Greens Machines - http://www.thegreensmachines.com), or slanting towards 
sustainable practices, plant selection and similar?


I'm being pulled in a lot of directions just now (and still posting most 
days on keiths-list) so just trying to get a sense of objectives.


Darryl

On 3/16/2017 11:33 AM, Chip Mefford wrote:



Good day all of you who are left,

I really want to thank everyone who has sent their
thoughts on taking the list down. There have been
some, , no, not some, all, great stories.

Before I take the list down, ,
I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
something like this going.

reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a
new software project that I find very exciting, and
hence have chosen to do the work to update my
respective servers, including the mailing list server.

Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
(being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
at resolving some things in my life by not doing
systems administration have cropped back up again,
so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped.

So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
skills I had developed, even though I am moving into
my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
in.

The project of which I speak is FarmOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM

Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest,
I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
community.

Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;

--chipper
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Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Vin Lava]

I also have a farm in the Philippines that uses Natural Farming Technology.
I'm interested. Thanks, Chipper! :-)

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:33 PM, Chip Mefford  wrote:

>
>
> Good day all of you who are left,
>
> I really want to thank everyone who has sent their
> thoughts on taking the list down. There have been
> some, , no, not some, all, great stories.
>
> Before I take the list down, ,
> I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
> something like this going.
>
> reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a
> new software project that I find very exciting, and
> hence have chosen to do the work to update my
> respective servers, including the mailing list server.
>
> Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
> over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
> IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
> (being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
> to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
> this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
> at resolving some things in my life by not doing
> systems administration have cropped back up again,
> so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped.
>
> So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
> skills I had developed, even though I am moving into
> my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
> in.
>
> The project of which I speak is FarmOS
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM
>
> Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest,
> I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
> community.
>
> Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;
>
> --chipper
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Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[robert and benita rabello]

On 3/16/2017 08:33, Chip Mefford wrote:

The project of which I speak is FarmOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM

Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest,
I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
community.


Please count me in!

Robert Luis Rabello
Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ceremonies and Celebrations video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV3k-s_sg1Q

Meet the People video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txsCdh1hZ6c

Crisis video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZedNEXhTn4

The Long Journey video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy4muxaksgk


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Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[John Chase]

Good afternoon,
I too am very interested in different agriculture ideas  Please keep me in 
the "loop" ...
John ChaseBrier Ridge FarmsPunta Gorda, Fl


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[Michele Stephenson]

Chipper, if you are getting back into IT, this is a wonderful welcome back 
project. I am very interested in having small farms in my region (HoustonTX 
area) do this program in order to maximize harvest and send overstock into 
local community.

And yes, i would love for this site to continue if you are up to it. It would 
be much appreciated. Thank you.

Michele

> On Mar 16, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Chip Mefford  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Good day all of you who are left, 
> 
> I really want to thank everyone who has sent their 
> thoughts on taking the list down. There have been 
> some, , no, not some, all, great stories. 
> 
> Before I take the list down, , 
> I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
> something like this going. 
> 
> reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a 
> new software project that I find very exciting, and
> hence have chosen to do the work to update my 
> respective servers, including the mailing list server. 
> 
> Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
> over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
> IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
> (being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
> to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
> this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
> at resolving some things in my life by not doing 
> systems administration have cropped back up again, 
> so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped. 
> 
> So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
> skills I had developed, even though I am moving into 
> my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
> in. 
> 
> The project of which I speak is FarmOS
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM
> 
> Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest, 
> I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
> community.
> 
> Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;
> 
> --chipper
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[Eric Schaetzle]

I really like this project. "Closing the loop" in agriculture is exactly
what I'm trying to do as well. Keep me informed!
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[Mark Cookson]

Hi Chipper,
Thank you for your email and suggestion of taking a look at FarmOS on the 
you tube link.
I see what you are doing as a fantastic thing , it is the next step for man 
farming, from planting a seed to the present day.
I can see your applications being adopted here in the UK and no doubt all 
over the world.
To be able to look and see data as and when needed, can save a crop from 
devastation to creating a bumper crop.
A wonderful thing, that is what you are being apart of, I have to say thank 
you on behalf of my family and no doubt their futures too.
With the dark clouds of climate change and the predicted extreme weather 
events of our future the tools you are creating will help man and all living 
things..
As we say around here, you`re bob-on lad..
Good luck keeping going.
Regards
Mark


--
From: "Chip Mefford" 
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 3:33 PM
To: "sustainablelorgbiofuel" 

Subject: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, 
, , , but first, please read

>
>
> Good day all of you who are left,
>
> I really want to thank everyone who has sent their
> thoughts on taking the list down. There have been
> some, , no, not some, all, great stories.
>
> Before I take the list down, ,
> I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
> something like this going.
>
> reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a
> new software project that I find very exciting, and
> hence have chosen to do the work to update my
> respective servers, including the mailing list server.
>
> Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
> over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
> IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
> (being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
> to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
> this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
> at resolving some things in my life by not doing
> systems administration have cropped back up again,
> so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped.
>
> So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
> skills I had developed, even though I am moving into
> my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
> in.
>
> The project of which I speak is FarmOS
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM
>
> Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest,
> I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
> community.
>
> Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;
>
> --chipper
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Re: [Biofuel] A chapter ends ...

[Jake Kruger]

Thanks to Darryl, Chip, Keith, and all. I've learned a ton from this list
over the years; looking forward to continuing on the new platform.

Happy new year!

Best,
Jake



On Dec 31, 2016 3:46 PM, "Tom"  wrote:

> Thanks Chip.
> Thanks Darryl.
> Thanks to all who have contributed to the group.
>   Tom Kelly
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Darryl McMahon" 
> Sent: ‎12/‎31/‎2016 2:54 PM
> To: "Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org" <
> Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org>
> Subject: [Biofuel] A chapter ends ...
>
> ... and another begins.
>
> I want to thank Chip for his efforts in recent years to keep the list
> operating.  I don't really know how much effort that was (it was
> considerable when I last ran a list many years ago), but I'm grateful I
> did not have to look after that, freeing me to concentrate on content.
>
> I don't see this list (sustainablelorgbiofuel) as being much work for
> me.  If I read a piece which I think deserves a wider audience, I simply
> shared it.  I could just add it to Reddit or StumbleUpon or other such
> tools instead, but those do not save the content to make it searchable
> (in the mail archive).  And while Internet searches are more
> comprehensive, they don't have a human filter to determine what is real
> and what is manufactured.  In a world where perception and sound-bytes
> rule the mainstream messaging, I think that has value.  In a world of
> Internet narrow-casting where feeds provide only reinforcement for
> pre-selected viewpoints, I hope that occasionally some of the posts I
> share cause others to pause and think for a moment.  This was Keith's
> gift to me (and many others).  I came to learn about biodiesel, and I
> learned about so much more.
>
> I have set up a new mail list via FreeLists.org.  I have called this
> Keith's List because in my mind that is the most accurate and succinct
> description of it, though not everyone has known or corresponded with
> Keith Addison.  It's a bit last minute, so the transition may be a bit
> rough.  Same purpose, same mandate, same rules.  If you think there
> should be discussion of a topic you are not seeing, just jump in and
> post.  Perhaps you can ask a question (though I hope the archives will
> continue to be your first-stop resource to reduce duplication), or find
> some like-minded souls to help with your personal projects and desires
> to 'save the world'.  It's a big place; no doubt you can find something
> in it to improve.
>
> Sorry, the following instructions are a direct lift from the list
> instructions, but I'm rather working to deadline as this list expires
> today.
>
> +
>
> - Subscribers can join your list by sending email to
> keiths-list-requ...@freelists.org with 'subscribe' in the Subject field
> OR by visiting your list page at
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>
> - To post on your mailing list, simply send email to
> keiths-l...@freelists.org (only after you are a list member)
>
> - Online, searchable archives of your list are available at
> http://www.freelists.org/archive/keiths-list  Each list's archive is
> automatically updated as new messages come in.
>
> - There's a FAQ at http://www.freelists.org/wiki/the_faq
>
> +
>
> Please note:  I will not subscribe anyone to this list (or unsubscribe
> them either).
>
> The first post is up, and can be seen in the on-line archive at:
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>
> (I believe the on-line archive is web-accessible without need for a
> log-in, but unfortunately appears to be supported by ads.  As far as I
> can tell, no ads in the e-mail version or via the member's web
> interface, which requires a log-in.  I still have some learning to do.)
>
> See you on the other list if you choose to show up there.  If not,
> strength to your arm, and all best in your future endeavours.
>
> Wishing you all a successful (however you choose to define that) 2017,
>
> Your correspondent,
>
> Darryl McMahon
>
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] A chapter ends ...

[Tom]

Thanks Chip.
Thanks Darryl.
Thanks to all who have contributed to the group.
  Tom Kelly

-Original Message-
From: "Darryl McMahon" 
Sent: ‎12/‎31/‎2016 2:54 PM
To: "Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org" 

Subject: [Biofuel] A chapter ends ...

... and another begins.

I want to thank Chip for his efforts in recent years to keep the list 
operating.  I don't really know how much effort that was (it was 
considerable when I last ran a list many years ago), but I'm grateful I 
did not have to look after that, freeing me to concentrate on content.

I don't see this list (sustainablelorgbiofuel) as being much work for 
me.  If I read a piece which I think deserves a wider audience, I simply 
shared it.  I could just add it to Reddit or StumbleUpon or other such 
tools instead, but those do not save the content to make it searchable 
(in the mail archive).  And while Internet searches are more 
comprehensive, they don't have a human filter to determine what is real 
and what is manufactured.  In a world where perception and sound-bytes 
rule the mainstream messaging, I think that has value.  In a world of 
Internet narrow-casting where feeds provide only reinforcement for 
pre-selected viewpoints, I hope that occasionally some of the posts I 
share cause others to pause and think for a moment.  This was Keith's 
gift to me (and many others).  I came to learn about biodiesel, and I 
learned about so much more.

I have set up a new mail list via FreeLists.org.  I have called this 
Keith's List because in my mind that is the most accurate and succinct 
description of it, though not everyone has known or corresponded with 
Keith Addison.  It's a bit last minute, so the transition may be a bit 
rough.  Same purpose, same mandate, same rules.  If you think there 
should be discussion of a topic you are not seeing, just jump in and 
post.  Perhaps you can ask a question (though I hope the archives will 
continue to be your first-stop resource to reduce duplication), or find 
some like-minded souls to help with your personal projects and desires 
to 'save the world'.  It's a big place; no doubt you can find something 
in it to improve.

Sorry, the following instructions are a direct lift from the list 
instructions, but I'm rather working to deadline as this list expires today.

+

- Subscribers can join your list by sending email to
keiths-list-requ...@freelists.org with 'subscribe' in the Subject field 
OR by visiting your list page at 
http://www.freelists.org/list/keiths-list.

- To post on your mailing list, simply send email to
keiths-l...@freelists.org (only after you are a list member)

- Online, searchable archives of your list are available at
http://www.freelists.org/archive/keiths-list  Each list's archive is
automatically updated as new messages come in.

- There's a FAQ at http://www.freelists.org/wiki/the_faq

+

Please note:  I will not subscribe anyone to this list (or unsubscribe 
them either).

The first post is up, and can be seen in the on-line archive at: 
http://www.freelists.org/post/keiths-list/First-Post,13

(I believe the on-line archive is web-accessible without need for a 
log-in, but unfortunately appears to be supported by ads.  As far as I 
can tell, no ads in the e-mail version or via the member's web 
interface, which requires a log-in.  I still have some learning to do.)

See you on the other list if you choose to show up there.  If not, 
strength to your arm, and all best in your future endeavours.

Wishing you all a successful (however you choose to define that) 2017,

Your correspondent,

Darryl McMahon



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Nothing is going to get better. It's not.”

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Re: [Biofuel] A chapter ends ...

[Tom Thiel]

Darryl,

Thank you so much for picking up this ball! I have been reading for 
about 15 years with only a few posts, because I had so much more to 
learn than to say. I came to learn biofuel for my off-grid homestead. I 
got a broad education. Keith's perspective and this list have made the 
difference between my feeling overwhelmed and marginalized by much of 
our social direction, and gaining valid perspectives for inquiry.


Thanks again,

Tom Thiel
New Hampshire USA

On 12/31/16 2:54 PM, Darryl McMahon wrote:

... and another begins.

I want to thank Chip for his efforts in recent years to keep the list 
operating.  I don't really know how much effort that was (it was 
considerable when I last ran a list many years ago), but I'm grateful 
I did not have to look after that, freeing me to concentrate on content.


I don't see this list (sustainablelorgbiofuel) as being much work for 
me.  If I read a piece which I think deserves a wider audience, I 
simply shared it.  I could just add it to Reddit or StumbleUpon or 
other such tools instead, but those do not save the content to make it 
searchable (in the mail archive).  And while Internet searches are 
more comprehensive, they don't have a human filter to determine what 
is real and what is manufactured.  In a world where perception and 
sound-bytes rule the mainstream messaging, I think that has value.  In 
a world of Internet narrow-casting where feeds provide only 
reinforcement for pre-selected viewpoints, I hope that occasionally 
some of the posts I share cause others to pause and think for a 
moment.  This was Keith's gift to me (and many others).  I came to 
learn about biodiesel, and I learned about so much more.


I have set up a new mail list via FreeLists.org.  I have called this 
Keith's List because in my mind that is the most accurate and succinct 
description of it, though not everyone has known or corresponded with 
Keith Addison.  It's a bit last minute, so the transition may be a bit 
rough.  Same purpose, same mandate, same rules.  If you think there 
should be discussion of a topic you are not seeing, just jump in and 
post.  Perhaps you can ask a question (though I hope the archives will 
continue to be your first-stop resource to reduce duplication), or 
find some like-minded souls to help with your personal projects and 
desires to 'save the world'. It's a big place; no doubt you can find 
something in it to improve.


Sorry, the following instructions are a direct lift from the list 
instructions, but I'm rather working to deadline as this list expires 
today.


+

- Subscribers can join your list by sending email to
keiths-list-requ...@freelists.org with 'subscribe' in the Subject 
field OR by visiting your list page at 
http://www.freelists.org/list/keiths-list.


- To post on your mailing list, simply send email to
keiths-l...@freelists.org (only after you are a list member)

- Online, searchable archives of your list are available at
http://www.freelists.org/archive/keiths-list  Each list's archive is
automatically updated as new messages come in.

- There's a FAQ at http://www.freelists.org/wiki/the_faq

+

Please note:  I will not subscribe anyone to this list (or unsubscribe 
them either).


The first post is up, and can be seen in the on-line archive at: 
http://www.freelists.org/post/keiths-list/First-Post,13


(I believe the on-line archive is web-accessible without need for a 
log-in, but unfortunately appears to be supported by ads.  As far as I 
can tell, no ads in the e-mail version or via the member's web 
interface, which requires a log-in.  I still have some learning to do.)


See you on the other list if you choose to show up there.  If not, 
strength to your arm, and all best in your future endeavours.


Wishing you all a successful (however you choose to define that) 2017,

Your correspondent,

Darryl McMahon



“Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
Nothing is going to get better. It's not.”

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Re: [Biofuel] Happy Solstice all, Taking the list down.

[Doug Turner]

Hello All,

  I'd like to take a moment to echo the general sentiment here.  Although I
have not contributed very much to the list, I have read and followed-up on
many of the items that have been posted here over the years.

  I am grateful for the time, effort and thought that have gone into keeping
the list active.  Thank you all very much for your offerings, it is/was
appreciated and will be missed.

  Doug
   (in Hamilton, Canada)



-Original Message-
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[mailto:sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org] On Behalf
Of Doug
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 4:40 PM
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Happy Solstice all, Taking the list down.

i, for one will be sorry to see the list go. I, too am an old bastard, that
wants a safe, clean world.
 I try to live softly on this planet, & feel I try to help my fellow man.

 I also wish to thank Darryl & Keith for the time spent on keeping this list
active. 

 I for one, hope that the politicians of this world wake up to the needs of
our planet.
 I am sure they do not realise we live in a closed loop, so every action has
a consequence for future generations.

 Good luck to all in the future.

Thanks to all,
Doug
(in Northern  NSW, Australia)


On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:42:18 -0800 (PST) Chip Mefford <c...@well.com> wrote:

> It has been many years now since Keith passed. 
> 
> As things stand, Darryl is about the only traffic posted here and even 
> that is echoing (admittedly interesting) stuff posted elsewhere.
> 
> If anyone is interested, I can and am willing to provide the 
> subscriber's list if anyone wishes to continue this work.
> 
> As things stand, this mailing list is the only mailing list left on my 
> mailman server that gets any traffic at all, and the spam to post 
> ratio is about 70:1 (intercepted).
> 
> As of 20170101, the list will shut down.
> 
> The archives will of course remain in place until such a time as those 
> responsible for them decide to take some other action.
> 
> Please take these few days to make your farewells.
> 
> So long
> and thanks for everything.
> 
> your list-admin
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Re: [Biofuel] Dealing with stuff

[Doug]

Darryl,
 Thanks for everything. Sad to see it end.

 An Australian alternative is 'Freecycle'
The Freecycle Network
https://www.freecycle.org/

This works really well, with people asking, or offering.

I would alo suggest these news feeds:
Giles Parkinson - Renew Economy : Renew Economy
reneweconomy.com.au/author/giles/

Giles Parkinson - One Step Off The Grid
https://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/author/giles-parkinson/

(Giles runs both: he is a well known alternative energy journalist)
Happy New Year!
Thanks, Doug 


On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:40:12 -0500
Darryl McMahon  wrote:

> Our household has again been the beneficiary of the Christmas bounty of 
> stuff.  (E.g., I'm using the new keyboard I received, which is more 
> compact much nicer than the vintage unit I was using until a couple of 
> days ago, and the old board will go in the parts bin until someone needs 
> a free, working unit.)
> 
> However, it occurs to me it's a good opportunity to speak of 
> alternatives to sending things to 'away'.  The landfill or incinerator 
> or whatever else ends up as the final destination for where unwanted 
> stuff goes when we throw it 'away'.
> 
> I expect most of this e-mail is old news for list subscribers, but 
> perhaps there is something here you could pass along to others.
> 
> Alternatives to 'away'
> 
> I started writing on this topic a couple of decades ago (or more), and 
> my web pages still see a fair bit of traffic.  I have not maintained 
> them as much as I might in recent years, so any updates would be welcome.
> 
> http://www.econogics.com/en/enreusea.htm
> 
> http://www.econogics.com/en/enviro.htm
> 
> http://www.econogics.com/econogic.htm
> 
> Some other items have come my way in the past few days - and 
> re-purposing smart phones was not on my radar in the 80s and 90s.
> 
> http://www.businessinsider.com/what-to-do-with-old-android-smartphone-use-robot-recycle-baby-vr-christmas-2016-12
> 
> I'm thinking of re-purposing one phone as a GPS / dash cam.  With the 
> new Google Maps allowing one to store maps (no continuous data 
> connection required), this is more feasible with no data plan required.
> 
> This sizable list also arrived in the past couple of days.
> 
> http://davidsuzuki.org/what-you-can-do/recycle-your-unwanted-stuff/
> 
> And don't discount the 'sharing economy' as a means of reducing our need 
> to own stuff.
> 
> More on the Story of Stuff at http://storyofstuff.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] 'Climate Change' Deleted From Wisconsin DNR Website

[Zeke Yewdall]

Hopefully Wisconsin has also deleted any references to snow in their winter
driving training?

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016, Darryl McMahon 
wrote:

> http://www.ecowatch.com/climate-change-deleted-dnr-website-2166939088.html
>
> [The universe cares not what you think.
>
> links and images in on-line article]
>
> December 27, 2016
>
> 'Climate Change' Deleted From Wisconsin DNR Website
>
> Lorraine Chow
>
>  Whoever is managing Wisconsin's Department of Natural Resources website
> must be wearing out the delete key. The word "climate" has been quietly
> stripped from the department's webpage dedicated to explaining the state's
> response to climate change, Raw Story reported.
>
> In total, 13 original appearances of the word "climate" have been
> kiboshed. The only place you'll see the word now is in the
> "climatechange.html" URL and a tiny footnote link. Not only that, any
> reference to humanity's contribution to global warming has been deleted.
>
> The text that appears on the webpage now inserts classic climate skeptic
> arguments, in which Earth's "changes" are being "debated." This is the text
> on the website as of today:
>
> The Great Lakes and a changing world
>
> As it has done throughout the centuries, the earth is going through a
> change. The reasons for this change at this particular time in the earth's
> long history are being debated and researched by academic entities outside
> the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources. The effects of such a change
> are also being debated but whatever the causes and effects, the DNR's
> responsibility is to manage our state's natural resources through whatever
> event presents itself; flood, drought, tornadoes, ice/snow or severe heat.
> The DNR staff stands ready to adapt our management strategies in an effort
> to protect our lakes, waterways, plants, wildlife and people who depend on
> them. For more information on the research conducted by the University of
> Wisconsin-Madison.
>
> In a post for Urban Milwaukee, political writer James Rowen reported that
> the original text actually acknowledged that "[h]uman activities that
> increase heat–trapping ('green house') gases are the main cause [of global
> warming.] Earth's average temperature has increased 1.4 °F since 1850 and
> the eight warmest years on record have occurred since 1998."
>
> In fact, Rowen has detailed the quiet scrubbing of climate change from the
> entire DNR website for several years, changes that he describes as
> "Orwellian" and "propagandistic."
>
> This news should not surprise anyone who has followed the career of
> Wisconsin's notorious climate-change-denying Governor, Scott Walker. Ever
> since he took office in 2011, Walker has used his powers to "reduce the
> role of science in environmental policymaking and to silence discussion of
> controversial subjects, including climate change, by state employees," as
> Scientific American observed.
>
> And let's not forget that in April 2015, state officials banned employees
> of a state agency from talking about climate change, conducting any work on
> it or even responding to emails about it.
>
> In the image below, Rowen shows the exact edits that have been made on the
> DNR webpage in question. Deletions are crossed out with the black line and
> a version of the highlighted text is what appears now on the page.
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Re: [Biofuel] Happy Solstice all, Taking the list down.

[Doug]

i, for one will be sorry to see the list go. I, too am an old bastard, that 
wants a safe, clean world.
 I try to live softly on this planet, & feel I try to help my fellow man.

 I also wish to thank Darryl & Keith for the time spent on keeping this list 
active. 

 I for one, hope that the politicians of this world wake up to the needs of our 
planet.
 I am sure they do not realise we live in a closed loop, so every action has a 
consequence for future generations.

 Good luck to all in the future.

Thanks to all,
Doug
(in Northern  NSW, Australia)


On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:42:18 -0800 (PST)
Chip Mefford  wrote:

> It has been many years now since Keith passed. 
> 
> As things stand, Darryl is about the only traffic posted here
> and even that is echoing (admittedly interesting) stuff 
> posted elsewhere. 
> 
> If anyone is interested, I can and am willing to provide the subscriber's
> list if anyone wishes to continue this work.
> 
> As things stand, this mailing list is the only mailing list left on
> my mailman server that gets any traffic at all, and the spam to post
> ratio is about 70:1 (intercepted). 
> 
> As of 20170101, the list will shut down.
> 
> The archives will of course remain in place until such a time as
> those responsible for them decide to take some other action.
> 
> Please take these few days to make your farewells.
> 
> So long
> and thanks for everything.
> 
> your list-admin
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Re: [Biofuel] Happy Solstice all, Taking the list down.

[Frank]

Hi & Thx Chip +everyone,
Sure have enjoyed many of the articles over the years. Don't think there's 
another list quite as unique! You certainly have made a difference in this 
world.

Thx 4 All the current-day enlightenment + eye-opening conscientious info that 
'Main Stream Media' somehow manages to miss. 

Anyone know where to get more data/info similar to what we've been blessed to 
be a part of?

Thx again & Happy Holidays,
Frank  

On Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:42 PM, Chip Mefford  wrote:
 

 It has been many years now since Keith passed. 

As things stand, Darryl is about the only traffic posted here
and even that is echoing (admittedly interesting) stuff 
posted elsewhere. 

If anyone is interested, I can and am willing to provide the subscriber's
list if anyone wishes to continue this work.

As things stand, this mailing list is the only mailing list left on
my mailman server that gets any traffic at all, and the spam to post
ratio is about 70:1 (intercepted). 

As of 20170101, the list will shut down.

The archives will of course remain in place until such a time as
those responsible for them decide to take some other action.

Please take these few days to make your farewells.

So long
and thanks for everything.

your list-admin
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Re: [Biofuel] Happy Solstice all, Taking the list down.

[Kirk McLoren]

Some things just make me sad. All the best to you and yours.Kirk  “The further 
a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.” 
 George Orwell

 

On Friday, December 23, 2016 8:41 AM, Fred  wrote:
 

 I will certainly miss this list.

Thank you Chip, Darryl and everyone else for keeping it going for as long
as you did.

Fred

On Dec 22, 2016 11:06 PM, "Michele Stephenson" 
wrote:

> Happy Solstice!
>
> Thank you Chipper for all your efforts these past few years. I have
> learned so much from being a part of this crowd.
>
> May 2017 be a wonderful year for everyone.
>
> Michele
>
> > On Dec 22, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Chip Mefford  wrote:
> >
> > It has been many years now since Keith passed.
> >
> > As things stand, Darryl is about the only traffic posted here
> > and even that is echoing (admittedly interesting) stuff
> > posted elsewhere.
> >
> > If anyone is interested, I can and am willing to provide the subscriber's
> > list if anyone wishes to continue this work.
> >
> > As things stand, this mailing list is the only mailing list left on
> > my mailman server that gets any traffic at all, and the spam to post
> > ratio is about 70:1 (intercepted).
> >
> > As of 20170101, the list will shut down.
> >
> > The archives will of course remain in place until such a time as
> > those responsible for them decide to take some other action.
> >
> > Please take these few days to make your farewells.
> >
> > So long
> > and thanks for everything.
> >
> > your list-admin
> > --chipper
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Re: [Biofuel] Happy Solstice all, Taking the list down.

[Fred]

I will certainly miss this list.

Thank you Chip, Darryl and everyone else for keeping it going for as long
as you did.

Fred

On Dec 22, 2016 11:06 PM, "Michele Stephenson" 
wrote:

> Happy Solstice!
>
> Thank you Chipper for all your efforts these past few years. I have
> learned so much from being a part of this crowd.
>
> May 2017 be a wonderful year for everyone.
>
> Michele
>
> > On Dec 22, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Chip Mefford  wrote:
> >
> > It has been many years now since Keith passed.
> >
> > As things stand, Darryl is about the only traffic posted here
> > and even that is echoing (admittedly interesting) stuff
> > posted elsewhere.
> >
> > If anyone is interested, I can and am willing to provide the subscriber's
> > list if anyone wishes to continue this work.
> >
> > As things stand, this mailing list is the only mailing list left on
> > my mailman server that gets any traffic at all, and the spam to post
> > ratio is about 70:1 (intercepted).
> >
> > As of 20170101, the list will shut down.
> >
> > The archives will of course remain in place until such a time as
> > those responsible for them decide to take some other action.
> >
> > Please take these few days to make your farewells.
> >
> > So long
> > and thanks for everything.
> >
> > your list-admin
> > --chipper
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Re: [Biofuel] Happy Solstice all, Taking the list down.

[Michele Stephenson]

Happy Solstice!

Thank you Chipper for all your efforts these past few years. I have learned so 
much from being a part of this crowd.

May 2017 be a wonderful year for everyone. 

Michele 

> On Dec 22, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Chip Mefford  wrote:
> 
> It has been many years now since Keith passed. 
> 
> As things stand, Darryl is about the only traffic posted here
> and even that is echoing (admittedly interesting) stuff 
> posted elsewhere. 
> 
> If anyone is interested, I can and am willing to provide the subscriber's
> list if anyone wishes to continue this work.
> 
> As things stand, this mailing list is the only mailing list left on
> my mailman server that gets any traffic at all, and the spam to post
> ratio is about 70:1 (intercepted). 
> 
> As of 20170101, the list will shut down.
> 
> The archives will of course remain in place until such a time as
> those responsible for them decide to take some other action.
> 
> Please take these few days to make your farewells.
> 
> So long
> and thanks for everything.
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Happy Solstice all, Taking the list down.

[Dean Mindock]

   Thanks Chipper and Darryl. God bless Keith.
   It has been a nice ride.
   Peace and gratitude,
   Dean   PS Merry Xmas everyone


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On Thursday, December 22, 2016, 2:42 PM, Chip Mefford  wrote:

It has been many years now since Keith passed.

As things stand, Darryl is about the only traffic posted here
and even that is echoing (admittedly interesting) stuff
posted elsewhere.

If anyone is interested, I can and am willing to provide the subscriber's
list if anyone wishes to continue this work.

As things stand, this mailing list is the only mailing list left on
my mailman server that gets any traffic at all, and the spam to post
ratio is about 70:1 (intercepted).

As of 20170101, the list will shut down.

The archives will of course remain in place until such a time as
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So long
and thanks for everything.

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Re: [Biofuel] Happy Solstice all, Taking the list down.

[robert and benita rabello]

On 12/22/2016 14:42, Chip Mefford wrote:

It has been many years now since Keith passed.

As things stand, Darryl is about the only traffic posted here
and even that is echoing (admittedly interesting) stuff
posted elsewhere.

If anyone is interested, I can and am willing to provide the subscriber's
list if anyone wishes to continue this work.

As things stand, this mailing list is the only mailing list left on
my mailman server that gets any traffic at all, and the spam to post
ratio is about 70:1 (intercepted).

As of 20170101, the list will shut down.

The archives will of course remain in place until such a time as
those responsible for them decide to take some other action.

Please take these few days to make your farewells.



Thank you so much for all your work! To everyone who has been 
involved in the biofuels list, I wish you well.


Goodbye!

 
Robert Luis Rabello

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http://www.newadventure.ca

Ceremonies and Celebrations video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV3k-s_sg1Q

Meet the People video:
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Re: [Biofuel] Requiring noisy electric cars vs. real problem of digital deadwalkers

[Doug]

Run the buggers over! Total waste of Oxygen!

They sound like they are part of the Darwin awards anyway

http://www.darwinawards.com/


(very TIC...)

We own an Imiev, & it is a problem on our country roads at night: The wildlife 
are not aware that you are approaching. We need to be careful not to hit 
anything at night. The California noise makers only work till 25mph from memory 
anyway. (Mind you we are in Australia, so no noise makers here!)

regards, Doug


On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 15:20:40 -0500
Darryl McMahon  wrote:

> [Forwarding from another discussion list. Context:
> 
> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:49:03 -0800 (PST)
> 
> Subject: [EVDL] Digital Deadwalkers : $52M/yr alert-sound adds noise
>   pollution& not-a-solution
> 
> [ref
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/52M-yr-Quiet-Electrified-cars-alert-sound-rules-by-2019-09-tp4684467p4684478.html
>  
> ]
> 
> TT sez >It is the pedestrian blinded by electronics technology that we 
> need to concern ourselves with!<
> 
> AAOS calls these Digital Deadwalkers:
> 
> [video
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLrcY7iSxFU ]
> 
> Digital Deadwalkers
> 
> American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons  Jan 12, 2015
> 
> "Dude. Engage!"
> 
> The AAOS public service campaign "Digital Deadwalkers" encourages
> pedestrians to engage in and with their surroundings.Distracted driving 
> can cause crashes, injuries and death. It's a prevalent public issue 
> that the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons (AAOS) continues to 
> champion. But what about distracted walking? What are the consequences 
> of pedestrians talking on the phone, texting, listening to music, 
> engaging deeply in conversation with the person next to them, or
> focusing on anything or anyone other than the task of getting where they
> need to go?
> 
> Distracted "deadwalkers" are causing an epidemic of fractures and other
> orthopaedic injuries. Danger lurks at every corner of our cities and 
> towns, but what if pedestrians are the ones posing the threats to 
> themselves and others? Today, more and more pedestrians fall down 
> stairs, trip over curbs or other objects, and in many instances, step 
> into traffic, causing serious injury, and even death, each year.
> 
> "We know that the number of injuries to pedestrians using their phones 
> has nearly tripled since 2004, and surveys have shown that 60% of 
> pedestrians are distracted by other activities while walking," said Alan 
> Hilibrand, MD, chair of the AAOS Communications Cabinet. "Orthopaedic 
> surgeons?the medical doctors who specialize in bones, muscles and 
> joints?focus on keeping bones strong so that we can keep our nation in 
> motion. In 2009, AAOS launched the "Decide to Drive" campaign to educate 
> children, teens and adults about the dangers of distracted driving. For 
> 2015, the Academy is now expanding its
> message to include the dangers of distracted walking."
> 
> http://www.orthoinfo.org/DistractedPedestrians
> 
> 
> In my life and in my area (Silicon Valley, CA) there are far more
> distracted people (that are not physically blind) that do incredibly 
> dumb things as they have disconnected themselves from the real world 
> (its like the mobile devices are a tech-drug of a distracted lifestyle)
> 
> To some, this is now common. For others, this seems unbelievable. And it
> isn't just teens
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=teen+mobile=zbP=1024=642=lnms=isch
> 
> Children to Tweens (age 6 - 12) are also affected:
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=tween+mobile=zbP=1024=642=lnms=isch
> 
> https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/children-teen-teenager-teen_culture-smartphone-cellphone-mbcn4046_low.jpg
> 
> http://lowres.jantoo.com/young-people-parenting-teens-gadget-distraction-parent-33235139_low.jpg
> 
> 
> There is a whole new way to pacify your kid by throwing a cheap mobile 
> tech device at them (see links below).
> 
> Children and tweens that (if they survive) will grow up to be distracted
> adults:
> http://image.cagle.com/71027/1155/71027.png?349a92
> 
> 
> My point in posting this is that the Million$ being spent are not going 
> to resolve what the advocates for the blind say is the issue (they are 
> pushing hard on a door marked pull).
> The quiet from electrified vehicles made noisy will not resolve the
> tech-addicted brain-distracted children, tweens, teens and adults that 
> will do dumb disconnected things (like walk without looking> right in 
> front of a moving vehicle).
> 
> Loud or quiet, there are a whole lot more chances to hit the distracted
> walking than a blind person carrying a white cane.
> 
> I am not saying something should not be done to help the blind. But 
> throwing $52M at it in this way which does not totally resolve the 
> problem is not a fix.
> IMO I think there has to be other ways to alert the blind of coming 
> moving vehicles. Possibly on an individual blind person point of 
> approach. Perhaps their white 

Re: [Biofuel] Electric vehicle study suggests plug-in batteries better than hydrogen fuel cells | E Magazine

[Zeke Yewdall]

This is new?  Seems like the same stuff all of us in the Electric Vehicle
world knew about 20 years ago.  Round trip efficiency of hydrogen storage
is just not very good compared to batteries.  And fuel cells make lithium
batteries look cheap

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Darryl McMahon 
wrote:

> https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2016/11/electric-
> vehicle-study-suggests-plug-in-batteries-better-than-hydrogen-fuel-cells/
>
> {I beg to quibble with the statement that the Stanford / Munich study is
> the first to compare the 2 types of vehicles, and the required
> infrastructure.  See The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy published 2006.]
>
> Electric vehicle study suggests plug-in batteries better than hydrogen
> fuel cells
>
> By Tereza Pultarova
>
> Published Monday, November 14, 2016
>
> Plug-in electric vehicles with batteries present a better option for
> eliminating fossil fuel consumption than hydrogen fuel cell-powered cars, a
> study has revealed.
>
> The study by researchers from Stanford University, USA, and the Technical
> University of Munich, Germany, was the first to compare the two types of
> electric vehicles including to include analysis of required infrastructure
> as well hydrogen and electricity generation.
>
> The study envisioned a situation 20 or 30 years from now when the
> technology is widespread and more affordable than it is today.
>
> “We looked at how large-scale adoption of electric vehicles would affect
> total energy use in a community, for buildings as well as transportation,”
> said Markus Felgenhauer, a doctoral candidate at TUM and former visiting
> scholar at the Stanford Global Climate and Energy Project (GCEP), who led
> the study published in the journal Energy.
>
> “We found that investing in all-electric battery vehicles is a more
> economical choice for reducing carbon dioxide emissions, primarily due to
> their lower cost and significantly higher energy efficiency.”
>
> While both plug-in electric and hydrogen fuel cell cars directly emit zero
> greenhouse gas emissions, the overall carbon footprint of their operations
> depends on the way the fuel, hydrogen or electricity, has been obtained.
>
> Currently, plug-in vehicles are frequently charged using electricity
> coming from fossil-fuels. Similarly, the most common way to obtain hydrogen
> is currently through processing natural gas.
>
> In future, however, as the cost of renewable power drops to the level of
> fossil-fuel based electricity, electric vehicles would become almost
> perfectly clean. The same goes for hydrogen fuel cell cars if the hydrogen
> is produced through the process of electrolysis using spare renewable
> electricity.
>
> The major factor differentiating between the two technologies will thus be
> the cost of the technology itself together with the cost of the required
> infrastructure.
>
> In the study, the researchers envisioned the town of Los Altos Hills in
> 2035. The affluent Californian community of 8,000 is already known for the
> popularity of solar power generation among local residents.
>
> The researchers envisioned that in 20 years, the community could be
> producing all its hydrogen through electrolysis using spare solar power.
> This hydrogen could then be used to warm up houses or produce electricity
> in return when the sun doesn’t shine.
>
> “We provided data on the amount of energy Los Altos Hills needs throughout
> the day, as well as financial data on the cost of building new energy
> infrastructures,” said study co-author Matthew Pellow, a former GCEP
> postdoctoral scholar now with the Electric Power Research Institute.
>
> “We included the cost of making solar panels, electrolysers, batteries and
> everything else. Then we told the model, given our scenario for 2035, tell
> us the most economical way to meet the total energy demand of the
> community.”
>
> To compare each scenario’s costs to its climate benefits, the researchers
> also calculated the carbon dioxide emissions produced in each case.
>
> The calculation revealed that betting on plug-in electric vehicles would
> be the most cost-effective way to achieve the required emission elimination.
>
> “The analysis showed that to be cost competitive, fuel cell vehicles would
> have to be priced much lower than battery vehicles,” said Felgenhauer.
> “However, fuel cell vehicles are likely to be significantly more expensive
> than battery vehicles for the foreseeable future. Another supposed benefit
> of hydrogen – storing surplus solar energy – didn’t pan out in our analysis
> either. We found that in 2035, only a small amount of solar hydrogen
> storage would be used for heating and lighting buildings.”
>
> They researchers hope to analyse larger networks of communities in future
> studies and examine other factors that could influence consumers’ choices
> when deciding whether to buy a battery or fuel cell car.
> ___
> 

Re: [Biofuel] The Change in the Change of Seasons

[robert and benita rabello]

On 10/25/2016 07:23, Darryl McMahon wrote:
That financialization mentality is why I have long argued for a carbon 
tax with enough bite to be notice.  At least in BC where you are, 
there is a real carbon tax, and even at relatively modest levels, it 
does seem to be having an impact. (overall fossil fuel in BC has been 
falling since the tax was put into effect)


Among conservatives, the carbon tax is seen as a power grab by the 
government.


I had a longish highway drive yesterday to and from an out-of-town 
meeting.  A large work crew with a lot of equipment was laying fresh 
asphalt on the road.  A decade ago, nobody around here would have 
considered paving a heavy use roadway in October.


Agreed. The same thing is happening here. Highway 97 is being 
resurfaced, creating a commuting nightmare between Penticton (where I 
work) and Summerland (where I live). It's astonishing how many cars with 
single drivers (I'm guilty!) line up to leave town at the end of the 
day. Normally, my commute takes 12 minutes. This week, it's been closer 
to 40.


But who resurfaces a road in October?



I'm trying to see if I can push our house to Nov. 1 before activating 
the furnace.  In years past, a few considered me radical for trying to 
get to Oct. 1 before doing that.  In my childhood, the furnace main 
switch was turned on sometime in September.


I grew up in California. Some winters, we didn't turn the furnace 
on until January . . .


Since I've lived here, it's usually October. Since we have a Sun 
Pump supplying our household energy, we just set the thermostat and it 
comes on whenever the house cools down. This fall, it's been 
extraordinarily rainy for this region. I don't remember getting this 
much rain when we lived here 22 years ago. It was a LOT colder and drier 
back then.




Is there any sign of local (BC) awareness of the Nathan E. Stewart 
sinking near Bella Bella, or is anyone connecting that lame response 
with the M/V Marathassa bunker oil dump last year?


Among activists, yes. But for most people, the US election is a 
preoccupation. My friends in Terrace are pretty upset about the impact 
of pipelines and oil tanker traffic on the Skeena River salmon run. 
That's not making the news, though.


  Yesterday's (non-)responses from Coast Guard Commissioner Jody 
Thomas bordered on offensive.  Nobody is talking about the fact that 
the 'world leading' spill response promised by the feds and oil 
industry simply can't get on scene, let alone work effectively, in a 
timely manner during weather conditions which are not unusual in that 
area.


Yes. And they want to put a dilbit terminal at the entrance of the 
aptly christened Hecate Straight . . . The provincial government is 
pushing a big LNG facility south of Kitimat, too!



 
Robert Luis Rabello

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Ceremonies and Celebrations video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV3k-s_sg1Q

Meet the People video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txsCdh1hZ6c

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Re: [Biofuel] Sweden on track to attain 100% green objective by 2040

[Darryl McMahon]

Sorry, Sweden is not an oil exporter.  I confused it with Norway. 
Someday I hope to visit at least one of them so the difference will be 
clear to me in a personal way.


Darryl

On 10/25/2016 9:22 AM, Darryl McMahon wrote:

http://www.energymarketprice.com/SitePage.asp?act=NewsDetails=21238

[An oil-exporting nation and example for Canada to emulate.  Sweden has
an aggressive set of incentives for zero-emissions vehicles, which is
working.]

Sweden on track to attain 100% green objective by 2040

25/10/2016

Sweden is on course to produce all its energy from green sources by
2040, a top regulatory official from the country declared late on Monday.

Renewables such as hydro and wind last year represented 57 percent of
the Nordic nation's 159 terawatt-hours (TWh) of electricity generation,
with most of the remaining deriving from nuclear, according to Anne
Vadasz Nilsson, Director General of the Swedish Energy Markets
Inspectorate. Swedish production of wind power has progressively
increased since it becomes more cost-efficient, and it now accounts for
10 percent of the country's total energy output, from almost zero
several years ago, as she stated. Sweden targets to add 18
terawatt-hours (TWh) of yearly clean electricity production by 2030. It
does not intend to subsidise more nuclear energy and it is improbable
that any new atomic reactors will be constructed given low electricity
prices, declared Vadasz Nilsson. That is in spite of an agreement
earlier this year to reduce taxes on nuclear power generators. Four of
Sweden's 10 nuclear reactors are presently being phased out, she
mentioned. Nuclear power has come under amplified inspection around the
world in the wake of Japan's Fukushima disaster in 2011. Sweden has no
immediate plans to construct any new hydropower plants because of
environmental concerns, according to her.
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Re: [Biofuel] The Change in the Change of Seasons

[Darryl McMahon]

That financialization mentality is why I have long argued for a carbon 
tax with enough bite to be notice.  At least in BC where you are, there 
is a real carbon tax, and even at relatively modest levels, it does seem 
to be having an impact.  (overall fossil fuel in BC has been falling 
since the tax was put into effect)


I had a longish highway drive yesterday to and from an out-of-town 
meeting.  A large work crew with a lot of equipment was laying fresh 
asphalt on the road.  A decade ago, nobody around here would have 
considered paving a heavy use roadway in October.


I'm trying to see if I can push our house to Nov. 1 before activating 
the furnace.  In years past, a few considered me radical for trying to 
get to Oct. 1 before doing that.  In my childhood, the furnace main 
switch was turned on sometime in September.


Is there any sign of local (BC) awareness of the Nathan E. Stewart 
sinking near Bella Bella, or is anyone connecting that lame response 
with the M/V Marathassa bunker oil dump last year?  Yesterday's 
(non-)responses from Coast Guard Commissioner Jody Thomas bordered on 
offensive.  Nobody is talking about the fact that the 'world leading' 
spill response promised by the feds and oil industry simply can't get on 
scene, let alone work effectively, in a timely manner during weather 
conditions which are not unusual in that area.


Darryl

On 10/22/2016 7:13 PM, robert and benita rabello wrote:

On 10/22/2016 14:59, Darryl McMahon wrote:

I have a few minutes to think and reflect today.

It's 2 weeks after the Canadian Thanksgiving weekend.  I still have a
lot to do to get ready for winter.  But in my memory, we had to have
most of this done by the end of Thanksgiving weekend, because hard
freezes were due, and a soft freeze might have happened.  Even just 5
years ago.


I hear you. We've built a new home and moved back to Summerland,
where we lived 22 years ago. Okanagan Lake used to freeze over from
Penticton to Summerland, but now it barely freezes around the shallow
edges of its southern shore. I remember seeing ice fog here, yet the
last two years that I've been back in the area, it's never cold enough.
We have Mourning Doves living here now. It feels like California . . .

Now that we're over the 400 ppm mark, I suspect that climate changes
we're seeing now are the beginnings of permanent changes for which we
are totally unprepared. People are strangely complacent, though . . .

When they see the evaporator panels for our Sun Pump on the roof,
the first question they ask is, "How much did it cost?" I've started
replying with, "How much is a stable climate worth?"

We're ingrained to see dollar values in everything. However, the
price of a biosphere that supports us can't be quantified. We're so
accustomed to "privatizing profits and socializing costs" that people
like me, who build for efficiency, are seen as eccentric. I shake my
head at this kind of attitude and quietly worry about the trouble that's
coming.



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV3k-s_sg1Q

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txsCdh1hZ6c

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Re: [Biofuel] The Change in the Change of Seasons

[robert and benita rabello]

On 10/22/2016 14:59, Darryl McMahon wrote:

I have a few minutes to think and reflect today.

It's 2 weeks after the Canadian Thanksgiving weekend.  I still have a 
lot to do to get ready for winter.  But in my memory, we had to have 
most of this done by the end of Thanksgiving weekend, because hard 
freezes were due, and a soft freeze might have happened.  Even just 5 
years ago.


I hear you. We've built a new home and moved back to Summerland, 
where we lived 22 years ago. Okanagan Lake used to freeze over from 
Penticton to Summerland, but now it barely freezes around the shallow 
edges of its southern shore. I remember seeing ice fog here, yet the 
last two years that I've been back in the area, it's never cold enough. 
We have Mourning Doves living here now. It feels like California . . .


Now that we're over the 400 ppm mark, I suspect that climate 
changes we're seeing now are the beginnings of permanent changes for 
which we are totally unprepared. People are strangely complacent, though 
. . .


When they see the evaporator panels for our Sun Pump on the roof, 
the first question they ask is, "How much did it cost?" I've started 
replying with, "How much is a stable climate worth?"


We're ingrained to see dollar values in everything. However, the 
price of a biosphere that supports us can't be quantified. We're so 
accustomed to "privatizing profits and socializing costs" that people 
like me, who build for efficiency, are seen as eccentric. I shake my 
head at this kind of attitude and quietly worry about the trouble that's 
coming.



 
Robert Luis Rabello

Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ceremonies and Celebrations video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV3k-s_sg1Q

Meet the People video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txsCdh1hZ6c

Crisis video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZedNEXhTn4

The Long Journey video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy4muxaksgk


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Re: [Biofuel] look at that nice things

[oceanpine]

Hi, 


I've  made  some nice things, just look at them,  you'll love them! Here they 
are 

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Re: [Biofuel] look at that stuff

[luganowilson]

Hello! 


Look  at this great and exetremely interesting stuff, it's admired  by so many 
people, just take a look 

luganowilson


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Re: [Biofuel] Sweden opens world's first "electric road"

[Darryl McMahon]

I don't think I understand the question.  (I also don't have any special 
knowledge of the set-up, just what was in the report.)


From other reading, I gather the tri-mode vehicles are seen as 
cost-effective for the operators over a period of time, as the 
electricity as a fuel is much less expensive than diesel or gasoline. 
Tri-mode buses have been used in several places over the past few decades.


Other tri-mode vehicles can recharge while connected to the electric 
supply, as well as be powered by it.


Current Swedish diesel price is 13 Krona per litre.  (about US$1.56 per 
litre or about US$6.00 per gallon)


The road electrification is likely being paid for by the Swedish 
government's climate change mitigation funds.  Given the overall 
objective is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, the goal here 
presumably is to switch heavy-use vehicles (e.g., trucks and buses which 
run many hours a day) off GHG-emitting fuels to low emissions energy 
sources.


Perhaps someone who can read Swedish could do more digging on this. 
(Hakan, you still out there?)


Darryl

On 7/9/2016 3:30 PM, Dawie Coetzee wrote:

And how much extra traffic is it going to take to pay for all this? -?



  From: Darryl McMahon 
 To: Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016, 19:16
 Subject: [Biofuel] Sweden opens world's first "electric road"

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1104907_sweden-opens-worlds-first-electric-road#src=10065

[Sweden has a good story on low GHG electricity generation (mostly
hydro, despite what the article says), so switching to e-drive is a big
win on the climate change front.  Electrifying roads is a good solution
for short-haul, but I would prefer to see inter-modal solutions based on
electric rail for long-haul transport (while acknowledging we should be
trying to reduce the demand for long-haul transport in general).

Presumably a run like this could be shared by transport trucks and
passenger buses.

images in on-line article]

Sweden opens world's first "electric road"

A 2-kilometer stretch of the E16 freeway near Gävle, Sweden, nicknamed
the e-way might be the world's most advanced stretch of pavement.

Electric current running through power lines above the freeway delivers
energy to specially-modified Scania trucks.

When the big rigs are connected to the power lines, their internal
combustion engines shut off and, as a result, they have no tailpipe
emissions whatsoever. Given that much of Sweden's power is derived from
windmills and solar panels, the environmental impact is minimal.

In concept, the trucks draw power from the lines in much the way that
street cars and trams have for over a century. A pantograph power
collector mounted on the truck's frame behind its cab rubs against the
line and supplies electric power to the trucks. Since there is no
physical lock between the vehicle and the electric line, the truck is
free to move in and out of the lane as necessary.

Scania says the trucks are based on the manufacturer's G360 and that
they feature a biofuel-powered 9.0-liter, 360-horsepower parallel hybrid
powertrain. A 5.0-kilowatt-hour battery gives them a 3.0-km
electric-only range when they are not traveling on the so-called e-way.

The Swedes are no strangers to electrification; they recently won an
all-electric rail car competition, which could point toward an
alternative method of transporting goods in the future.

More Swedish transportation fun at:

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1104889_most-efficient-all-electric-railcar-competition-won-by-swedes

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Re: [Biofuel] Sweden opens world's first "electric road"

[Dawie Coetzee]

And how much extra traffic is it going to take to pay for all this? -?


 
  From: Darryl McMahon 
 To: Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org 
 Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016, 19:16
 Subject: [Biofuel] Sweden opens world's first "electric road"
   
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1104907_sweden-opens-worlds-first-electric-road#src=10065

[Sweden has a good story on low GHG electricity generation (mostly 
hydro, despite what the article says), so switching to e-drive is a big 
win on the climate change front.  Electrifying roads is a good solution 
for short-haul, but I would prefer to see inter-modal solutions based on 
electric rail for long-haul transport (while acknowledging we should be 
trying to reduce the demand for long-haul transport in general).

Presumably a run like this could be shared by transport trucks and 
passenger buses.

images in on-line article]

Sweden opens world's first "electric road"

A 2-kilometer stretch of the E16 freeway near Gävle, Sweden, nicknamed 
the e-way might be the world's most advanced stretch of pavement.

Electric current running through power lines above the freeway delivers 
energy to specially-modified Scania trucks.

When the big rigs are connected to the power lines, their internal 
combustion engines shut off and, as a result, they have no tailpipe 
emissions whatsoever. Given that much of Sweden's power is derived from 
windmills and solar panels, the environmental impact is minimal.

In concept, the trucks draw power from the lines in much the way that 
street cars and trams have for over a century. A pantograph power 
collector mounted on the truck's frame behind its cab rubs against the 
line and supplies electric power to the trucks. Since there is no 
physical lock between the vehicle and the electric line, the truck is 
free to move in and out of the lane as necessary.

Scania says the trucks are based on the manufacturer's G360 and that 
they feature a biofuel-powered 9.0-liter, 360-horsepower parallel hybrid 
powertrain. A 5.0-kilowatt-hour battery gives them a 3.0-km 
electric-only range when they are not traveling on the so-called e-way.

The Swedes are no strangers to electrification; they recently won an 
all-electric rail car competition, which could point toward an 
alternative method of transporting goods in the future.

More Swedish transportation fun at:

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1104889_most-efficient-all-electric-railcar-competition-won-by-swedes

--
Darryl McMahon
Freelance Project Manager (sustainable systems)

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Re: [Biofuel] This scientist just changed how we think about climate change with one GIF - The Washington Post

[Jake Kruger]

That's pretty cool. Thanks for making the extra recommendation to go watch
it.
On May 16, 2016 8:29 AM, "Darryl McMahon"  wrote:

>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/05/11/this-scientist-just-changed-how-we-think-about-climate-change-with-one-gif/
>
> [Please take 1 minute and watch the GIF animation.
>
> videos and image gallery in on-line article]
>
>
> This scientist just changed how we think about climate change with one GIF
>
> By Chris Mooney May 11
>
> Ed Hawkins spends his days doing, you know, climate science. A professor
> at the University of Reading in the UK, he has published widely on the
> overturning circulation in the north Atlantic Ocean, as well as trends for
> sea ice in the Arctic and how to predict future temperatures, among other
> topics. And he contributed to the most recent mega-report of the United
> Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which everybody
> cites for pretty much everything in this area.
>
> He’s now famous, though, for something quite different. This:
>
> [GIF animation
> https://twitter.com/ed_hawkins/status/729753441459945474]
>
> As of early Wednesday, the startling animation had been retweeted over
> 3,200 times, covered separately here in the Post and by many, many other
> outlets — our own Jason Samenow called it the “most compelling global
> warming visualization ever made” — and even used as an example of how the
> IPCC itself could improve its dreary and often faulted communications, in
> an interview with its new head, Hoesung Lee.
>
> “I can’t quite believe it,” says Hawkins, who says that his university’s
> servers were “struggling a bit” Tuesday morning as large numbers of people
> were apparently watching the animation.
>
> “It was just designed to try and communicate in a different way. As
> scientists I think we need to communicate, and try different things, and
> this was just one of those trials, and it has turned out very well,”
> Hawkins says. (He credits Jan Fuglestvedt, a fellow researcher at the
> University of Oslo, with suggesting the idea of a spiral to him).
>
> [The vicious cycle that makes people afraid to talk about climate change]
>
> At a time when scientists, nonprofits, and universities are more and more
> focusing on communicating research results better, Hawkins basically just
> hit a grand slam — and not through some clever turn of phrase or some new
> metaphor or framing, but rather, through viral data visualization.
>
> The image has resonated for a number of reasons — one of them being, as
> Hawkins says, that it “doesn’t require any complex interpretation.” It uses
> data that was always there, of course — data from the UK Met Office’s
> Hadley Centre and the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Center
> which document the globe’s average temperature anomaly monthly and annually
> going back to the year 1850. (Two U.S. agencies, NASA and NOAA, do the same
> but only go back to 1880).
>
> Hawkins took these monthly temperature data and plotted them in the form
> of a spiral, so that for each year, there are twelve points, one for each
> month, around the center of a circle – with warmer temperatures farther
> outward and colder temperatures nearer inward. At the same time, he took
> the pre-industrial baseline temperature to be the average temperature from
> 1850 to 1900, and put out markers for where a 1.5 degree Celsius rise above
> that temperature would be, and where at 2 degree Celsius rise would be, in
> the form of larger, red concentric circles.
>
> And then, of course, he made the whole thing animated and tweetable.
>
> The 1.5 and 2 degree C markers are increasingly focal in climate policy,
> since the world pledged to try to avoid them — especially 2C, but also 1.5,
> if at all possible — in the recent Paris climate agreement.
>
> What Hawkins’ animation shows is that, well, we’re moving that direction,
> and especially with the temperatures of 2016, 1.5 degrees looks quite
> close. Granted, we wouldn’t actually be fully there until the average
> temperature stayed at that level — a brief excursion across the red line
> wouldn’t cut it. Nonetheless, the animated spiral approach makes global
> warming instantly visible, and shows that the danger zones aren’t so far
> away. (Another analysis, by Climate Central, suggests we have already
> temporarily breached 1.5 C this year, but this used a different baseline
> and the NOAA and NASA datasets).
>
> More analytically, Hawkins has published research suggesting that the
> world could cross the 2 degree threshold by the year 2060, if emission
> levels stay high. Clearly, the 1.5 degree threshold is even closer.
>
> If global warming appears to burst outward toward the end of the
> animation, that’s for two reasons, says Hawkins. The first is that from the
> 1950s through the 1970s, scientists believe that sulfate aerosols from air
> pollution helped counter the warming effects of carbon 

Re: [Biofuel] Wealth doesn't trickle down, it gushes offshore | rabble.ca

[Doug]

I think I read that some countries are considering taxing any foreign 
transactions. 
This would net countries taxation monies that are currently untaxed. 
It would also take some volatility out of banks manipulating the currency 
exchanges. The tax only needs to be small (0.01%) to reduce this manipulation.

regards, Doug


On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:48:05 -0400
Darryl McMahon  wrote:

> http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/scott-vrooman/2016/04/wealth-doesnt-trickle-down-it-gushes-offshore
> 
> Wealth doesn't trickle down, it gushes offshore
> 
> By Scott Vrooman
> 
> April 13, 2016
> 
> In response to the Panama Papers leak, Canada's pushy suit salesman 
> Kevin O'Leary argued that if taxes weren't so high, wealthy people 
> wouldn't be forced to hide their money offshore. Exactly, and if you 
> want to stop burglars from breaking your door locks, stop locking your 
> doors. And we could end murder tomorrow if we all took some initiative 
> and stabbed ourselves.
> 
> O'Leary is selling the fable that anything that increases the freedom of 
> capital is "efficient." Because money is like water, and should be free 
> to flow wherever it wants without being dammed up with taxes, to 
> maximize the wealth that trickles down to the masses. But as the Panama 
> Papers illustrate, capital doesn't trickle down, it gushes offshore in 
> big greedy hoses rented out by lawyers and accountants.
> 
> That's not efficient, that's freeloading. That capital needs to move out 
> of its parents' Caribbean basement, pay some taxes and get a job like a 
> responsible adult.
> 
> If you think the only solution to tax avoidance is lower taxes, you're 
> effectively saying our governments are so powerless that we should be 
> thankful the wealthy pay any taxes at all, and embrace the libertarian 
> utopia of Indigogo-funded schools and Uber for ambulances.
> 
> But governments could crack down on tax havens if they wanted to. Panama 
> and the Caymens aren't North Korea. And neither is KPMG. The abuse of 
> tax shelters isn't inevitable, it's a choice by governments to allow it. 
> And now those governments have a choice to use their power to fight it, 
> or lose it.
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Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Or Biofraud? The Vast Taxpayer Cost Of Failed Cellulosic And Algal Biofuels

[Jake Kruger]

It always amuses me when articles like this ramble on about x billion
dollars of taxpayer money going to biofuel projects as if no taxpayer money
were flowing to the fossil fuel industry (or other renewable energy
projects, for that matter).

Also interesting that this article assigns the recent bankruptcies to
"obviously ill-fated schemes" and doesn't mention anything about
currently-cheap oil, RFS uncertainties, or impatient investors.

Certainly the technologies the author seems to prefer are important, but
her implication that biofuels have no real role to play is, I think,
misguided.



On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Darryl McMahon 
wrote:

>
> http://www.independentsciencenews.org/environment/biofuel-or-biofraud-the-vast-taxpayer-cost-of-failed-cellulosic-and-algal-biofuels/
>
> Biofuel or Biofraud? The Vast Taxpayer Cost of Failed Cellulosic and Algal
> Biofuels
>
> March 14, 2016
>
> By Almuth Ernsting
>
> Biofuels consumed today are usually ethanol made from the sugar in sugar
> cane (or sugar beet) or they may be made from starch in grains. In the US
> this is mostly corn starch. Alternatively, biodiesel may be made from plant
> oils such as soybean or canola oil.
>
> Cellulosic biofuels, on the other hand, are biofuels made from crop
> residues (e.g. corn stover), wood, or whole plants, especially grasses
> (e.g. switchgrass). Cellulosic biofuels include cellulosic ethanol (made by
> isolating, breaking down and then fermenting the complex sugars in the cell
> walls of plants), as well as ‘drop in biofuels’. These biofuels are
> chemically almost identical to fossil-fuel based kerosene, diesel or
> gasoline.
>
> In November 2014, cellulosic biofuel company KiOR filed for bankruptcy,
> having shut down their refinery in Columbus, Mississippi earlier that year.
> There have been many unsuccessful biofuel ventures of this type, but KiOR’s
> stands out for four reasons:
>
> 1)  They had sold the first-ever cellulosic biofuels made in a
> commercial-scale facility in the US and produced the first cellulosic
> gasoline ever accredited as such by the US Enviornmental Protection Agency
> (EPA);
>
> 2)  They were the highest valued ‘advanced’ biofuel company backed by
> venture capitalist Vinod Khosla and his company, Khosla Ventures, having
> been valued at over $1.5 billion when they launched on the stock market.
> Khosla has been one of the most influential advocates of cellulosic
> biofuels in the US.  Back in 2010, the EPA set a target for cellulosic
> ethanol, that relied almost entirely on Khosla’s promises about what
> another company he’d invested in – Cello Energy – could deliver. Cello
> Energy filed for bankruptcy that same year, after they had been found
> guilty of fraud;
>
> 3) KiOR had obtained a $75 million loan from the State of Mississippi of
> which they had repaid just $6 million by the time they filed for
> bankruptcy.  The Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood has described this
> as “one of the largest frauds ever perpetrated on the State of
> Mississippi.” He has initiated a fraud suit against former KiOR executives
> as well as against Vinod Khosla, alleging that they misled investors about
> the quantities and yields of biofuels they could achieve.  A separate class
> suit has been raised on behalf of shareholders who claim to have incurred
> financial losses because they bought shares as a result of misleading
> claims by KiOR executives and Vinod Khosla about the company’s achievements
> and capabilities.
>
> 4) As a result of the bankruptcy proceedings and the fraud suits,
> information about what went wrong are entering the public domain.
>
> The reasons behind KiOR’s failure are simple: Most of the time, they
> couldn’t get their technology to work enough to produce biofuels and when
> they did manage it, yields were far lower than KiOR had claimed. The plant,
> built to produce 13 million gallons of biofuels a year, produced a mere
> 133,000 gallons in 2013, sold another 97,000 gallons in early 2014, and
> then shut down. KiOR had claimed to achieve a yield of 67 gallons from each
> ton of dry biomass and to be working towards a target of 90 gallons/ton.
> Yet according to internal documents cited in Mississippi’s lawsuit, KiOR’s
> actual yields remained a mere 20-22 gallons/ton.
>
> The fraud for which Cello Energy was sued and ultimately convicted
> involved mislabelling fossil fuels as biofuels for ‘test’ programmes. KiOR
> on the other hand is alleged to have knowingly misled investors and
> possibly the Securities and Exchange Commission about the amount of
> biofuels they could produce and the yields they could gain.  Yet similarly
> hyped claims about ‘advanced biofuels’ are widespread and commonplace on
> different companies’ websites, in industry magazines and press releases.
>
> A closer look at another cellulosic biofuels company – Red Rock Biofuels –
> suggests the federal government has not learned any lessons from KiOR or
> Cello, 

Re: [Biofuel] Utility Solar Blog : Oh Canada! NB Power turns renewable energy into firm power

[Carlos Mclean]

*#06#
El mar 1, 2016 7:31 AM, "Darryl McMahon"  escribió:

>
> http://www.solarelectricpower.org/utility-solar-blog/2016/february/oh-canada!-nb-power-turns-renewable-energy-into-firm-power.aspx
>
>  Oh Canada! NB Power turns renewable energy into firm power
> Thursday February 25, 2016
>
> By Bob Gibson
>
> Speaking at the opening session of the DistribuTECH conference in Orlando
> on Feb. 9, Michael Liebreich, founder of Bloomberg New Energy Finance,
> noted that 2015 marked the first time that renewable energy attracted more
> global capital than fossil fuel generation.
>
> Clearly, he said, “those years when we could refer to renewable energy as
> ‘alternative’ are well and truly over.”
>
> The catch, Liebreich said, is that adding clean but variable power
> complicates the business of delivering electricity.
>
> “(Renewable energy) is not easy to manage,” he said. “But (given price
> trends) if it’s that cheap, utility after utility will have to buy at least
> some and figure out how to integrate it.”
>
> In fact, the job of managing the impact of solar and wind on the electric
> distribution grid dominated DistribuTECH, reverberating across the
> conference’s 14 education tracks and more than 500 vendor booths.
>
> Much attention has been paid to the technology tools -- such as advanced
> inverters or battery storage -- that can mask or mitigate the variability
> of renewables on the distribution grid. But conference attendees also heard
> about an alternative and potentially powerful approach now gaining traction
> -- a modern twist on the art of load management, using control of the
> electricity load to turn variable renewable resources into firm ones.
>
> New Brunswick (NB) Power, the government utility serving the Canadian
> province on the Atlantic coast, has the kind of renewable power problem
> that Liebreich was talking about. The Canadian Maritimes region -- which
> includes New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island -- has a rich
> wind resource. With the price of wind power falling to a very competitive
> level, the utility has added almost 300 megawatts (MW) of wind capacity in
> recent years, and much more is on the way.
>
> But NB Power can’t count on wind to deliver power at the exact times
> customers want it. On cold winter mornings, the utility can see a 700-MW
> ramp in customer demand in a two-hour period. On a system with a 2,800-MW
> peak and limited fast-start generation options, NB Power is often forced to
> run expensive diesel and inefficient coal generation to cover the gap.
>
> Through PowerShift Atlantic, an innovative load management program
> covering the three Maritime provinces, NB Power has launched a pilot
> program that found 3 MW of renewable firming capacity. Specifically, the
> utility uses a communications system that allows it to directly manage the
> heating, ventilation and air-conditioning systems of small and medium-sized
> commercial buildings, as well as the pumping equipment of municipal water
> systems.
>
> “NB Power said to these customers, ‘You are now part of our renewable
> energy program,’ even though most of them had no renewables of their own,”
> said Bud Vos, CEO of Enbala.
>
> The company supplied the communications system that shifts the utility’s
> customer load in real-time by following fluctuations both on the grid and
> from the fleet of wind turbines. The shifting and shedding of loads are
> automated and designed to be invisible to the customer, with no impact on
> comfort or operations.
>
> Filling the gaps in variable generation
>
> The control system turns the variable wind resource into a firm one by
> offsetting the difference between day-ahead wind forecasts and actual wind
> output on a 15-minute interval basis. It fine-tunes the energy use of the
> connected devices to respond to dispatch requests from the utility. This
> load reshaping is accomplished through measures such as preheating
> buildings ahead of a peak or modulating water pressure in the pipes at the
> water treatment plants.
>
> “Our software models how we can use the customer-sited resources to fill
> the gaps that the system will see as wind output and overall demand
> changes,” said Vos. “We create a virtual power plant.”
>
> The utility network sees the aggregated demand-side assets as a single,
> dispatchable resource that it uses to smooth the variability of the wind
> output.
>
> “Now the utility dispatcher no longer chases wind. The wind has become a
> fixed asset,” he continued. “We’re on the other side chasing load.”
>
> While the pilot includes only 30 commercial customers and 2,000
> controllable devices, Vos said that the value of the demand management
> system will increase with the addition of more commercial customers and an
> expanded palette of devices. The list of potential power sources includes
> chillers, compressors, fans and motors, plus end-use loads such as electric
> water heaters on the residential side.
>

Re: [Biofuel] 2016

[Darryl McMahon]

This 'nobody listens or employs old people' is a meme I hear 
increasingly as I age.  Yet, other than a couple of pools of people who 
self-select to disqualify themselves from being taken seriously or being 
employable, I don't find this to be the case.  Admittedly, an anecdotal 
set of personal observations.


My primary contract client today is a group of 58 non-profit health and 
community support agencies which a primary focus on the frail elderly. 
My role is to support the agencies, their staff and volunteers. 
However, later this year I believe we will finally get to create a 
client advisory panel to help us figure out how to serve them better. 
I'm looking forward to that first-hand input.


We will need to screen the members to ensure they are capable and 
prepared to contribute.  We're going to ask potential members what the 
screening criteria should be.


Even though I don't get much exposure to the end clients, I do hear the 
stories of individuals who live in a veteran's retirement facility, but 
who still hold down part-time jobs outside the facility.  Or volunteer 
30 or more hours a week.  Or are knitting hats and socks for preemies. 
That list goes on and on.


One of the vestiges of my years of work promoting electric vehicles is 
that I still sell a line of Canadian-designed intelligent battery 
chargers for small vehicles and devices using lead-acid batteries (e.g., 
golf cars, mobility scooters, power wheelchairs, patient lifts, stair 
lifts, portable respirators, etc.).  In my sales to individuals, I 
marvel at the number of elderly who rely on these devices who will buy a 
unit from me and will proceed to remove the old charger, splice the 
electrical connections and install the new charger on their own (even if 
it takes a few phone calls or e-mails with me to get to a successful 
conclusion).


I meet monthly with a group of local writers for dinner.  I'm usually 
the youngest at the table, and while we have lost a few members over the 
years, it's a table of energy, experience and knowledge.  Seniors, 
nominally retired, still writing, acting, doing active journalism, 
mentoring, etc.


I am a director in a company (Remote Energy Security Technologies 
Collaborative - RESTCo.ca), where the next youngest active participant 
is 74.  I'm the one without enough energy to actively maintain and use a 
sailboat of the four of us.  The 83 year-old PhD apologizes for not 
making more time for us because caring for his wife's parents is 
becoming more time consuming.  He still works actively on an 
international standards-setting committee.  Amazing people.


I am a shareholder in another company which has developed a remarkable 
new technology for skimming oil spills effectively on open water.  In 
3rd party testing, our most recent prototype recovered over 90% of the 
oil encountered.  (By comparison, 'state-of-the-art' equipment used at 
Macondo recovered about 3% of the spilled oil.)  The key person behind 
the development of the technology is a retired mariner.  The circle 
gathering around him to move toward commercialization include a 
73-year-old municipal councillor, a retired VP-Finance from a major food 
corporation, and a number of other grey-hairs (those of us that still 
have hair).


Current western (corporatized) society may have a 'throw-away' 
mentality, but seniors don't need to accept that concept.  Retired 
people have an asset of immense value - free time.  Couple that with 
motivation, experience and knowledge, especially in numbers, and that is 
a force to be reckoned with.


In my experience, it's 'old' people who are getting things done, pushing 
issues forward, volunteering and making a difference.  For the 
under-30s, with some exceptions, I can't even have a conversation with 
them because they are actively blocking hearing by keeping their earbuds 
plugged in, and they're too busy reading listicles and other electronic 
blather or texting to engage in an actual conversation using their 
physical voices.  And on the rare occasions they do, the sparseness of 
their available vocabulary is alarming as a harbinger for the future of 
our species.


I, for one, will not go gentle into that good night, and I make an 
effort constantly to help others do the same.  My mother passed in late 
June 2015 from dementia.  It's a tough way to go, especially for those 
close and providing daily support.  Her tenacity was an inspiration; in 
her late 70s she was living capably on her own, tending her large 
beloved garden, and feeding neighbours at harvest time. I have had the 
gift of many other good examples to guide me.


(And now I'm going outside to move a sizable snowbank with a small 
electric tractor which is considerably older than either of my kids, 
because that's my version of playing outside.)



DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT

Dylan Thomas

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rage at close of day;
Rage, rage 

Re: [Biofuel] 2016

[Thomas Irwin]

Dear Darryl

(who notes that one advantage which comes with age is the ability to see
the parallels in the cycles of human time)

I have found this to be true but this as well. Nobody listens or employs
old people yet that is where all the experience is.

Tom

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Darryl McMahon 
wrote:

> Wishing the best of a new year to all.
>
> 2015 has had its share of challenges and defeats, victories and unfinished
> business.
>
> As we start to circle round the calendar again, I wanted to share this
> e-card artwork of the time circles of clock faces with you.
>
> http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=5970402243853=jl999
>
> May 2016 bring us better understanding of our world and our neighbours
>
>
> A SAID POEM
>
> for Ronald and Beatrice Gross
>
> “I have seen the future and it doesn’t work,” said Robert Fulford.
> “If there weren’t any Poland, there wouldn’t be any Poles,” said Alfred
> Jarry.
> “We aren’t making the film they contracted for,” said Robert Flaherty.
> “History never repeats itself but it rhymes,” said Mark Twain.
>
>   - John Robert Colombo
>
> Darryl
> (who notes that one advantage which comes with age is the ability to see
> the parallels in the cycles of human time)
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Re: [Biofuel] 2016

[Jake Kruger]

Happy New Year to you, too, Darryl.  And thanks for putting in the effort
to keep us all informed.  I don't respond on-list much, but many of the
articles you post, I've forwarded to family and friends or shared on
Facebook.

Thank you!

Best,
Jake




On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Thomas Irwin  wrote:

> Dear Darryl
>
> (who notes that one advantage which comes with age is the ability to see
> the parallels in the cycles of human time)
>
> I have found this to be true but this as well. Nobody listens or employs
> old people yet that is where all the experience is.
>
> Tom
>
> On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Darryl McMahon 
> wrote:
>
> > Wishing the best of a new year to all.
> >
> > 2015 has had its share of challenges and defeats, victories and
> unfinished
> > business.
> >
> > As we start to circle round the calendar again, I wanted to share this
> > e-card artwork of the time circles of clock faces with you.
> >
> >
> http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=5970402243853=jl999
> >
> > May 2016 bring us better understanding of our world and our neighbours
> >
> >
> > A SAID POEM
> >
> > for Ronald and Beatrice Gross
> >
> > “I have seen the future and it doesn’t work,” said Robert Fulford.
> > “If there weren’t any Poland, there wouldn’t be any Poles,” said Alfred
> > Jarry.
> > “We aren’t making the film they contracted for,” said Robert Flaherty.
> > “History never repeats itself but it rhymes,” said Mark Twain.
> >
> >   - John Robert Colombo
> >
> > Darryl
> > (who notes that one advantage which comes with age is the ability to see
> > the parallels in the cycles of human time)
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Re: [Biofuel] 2016

[Joseph Stephens]

Thanks, Darryl.  Best wishes to you and yours. Thanks for all the info you send 
us.  Joe Stephens

> To: Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
> From: dar...@econogics.com
> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 09:24:51 -0500
> Subject: [Biofuel] 2016
> 
> Wishing the best of a new year to all.
> 
> 2015 has had its share of challenges and defeats, victories and 
> unfinished business.
> 
> As we start to circle round the calendar again, I wanted to share this 
> e-card artwork of the time circles of clock faces with you.
> 
> http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=5970402243853=jl999
> 
> May 2016 bring us better understanding of our world and our neighbours
> 
> 
> A SAID POEM
> 
> for Ronald and Beatrice Gross
> 
> “I have seen the future and it doesn’t work,” said Robert Fulford.
> “If there weren’t any Poland, there wouldn’t be any Poles,” said Alfred 
> Jarry.
> “We aren’t making the film they contracted for,” said Robert Flaherty.
> “History never repeats itself but it rhymes,” said Mark Twain.
> 
>- John Robert Colombo
> 
> Darryl
> (who notes that one advantage which comes with age is the ability to see 
> the parallels in the cycles of human time)
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Re: [Biofuel] Redmond cooking oil collector could benefit from state program; Go Bio collects used cooking oil from restaurants to be converted into biodiesel.

[fox mulder]

Please remove me from the mailing list.

On Sat, 12/12/15, Darryl McMahon  wrote:

 Subject: [Biofuel] Redmond cooking oil collector could benefit from state 
program; Go Bio collects used cooking oil from restaurants to be converted into 
biodiesel.
 To: Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
 Date: Saturday, 12 December, 2015, 15:44
 
 
http://www.bendbulletin.com/localstate/3807423-151/redmond-cooking-oil-collector-poised-to-benefit-from#e
 
 
 [image in on-line article]
 
 Redmond cooking oil collector could benefit from state
 program
 
 Go Bio collects used cooking oil from restaurants to be
 converted into 
 biodiesel.
 
 By Ted Shorack / The Bulletin / @tjshorack
 
 Published Dec 11, 2015 at 12:05AM / Updated Dec 11, 2015 at
 05:56AM
 
 Go Bio has collected about a half-million gallons of used
 vegetable 
 cooking oil in Central Oregon since 2008.
 
 Jeff Rola, who started the Redmond-based business, predicts
 he’ll hit 1 
 million gallons in the next three years as Oregon begins to
 roll out its 
 latest standards attached to the Clean Fuels program that
 will go into 
 effect in January.
 
 The program began in 2009 with House Bill 2186 and has gone
 through 
 different phases with a goal of reducing greenhouse gas
 emissions within 
 the state.
 
 The standards adopted by the Environmental Quality
 Commission aim to 
 reduce the amount of carbon released from transportation
 fuels by 10 
 percent by 2025. The prescribed reduction will come in the
 form of oil 
 companies buying clean fuel credits to offset carbon
 emissions from the 
 fuel they sell or by selling biofuels with gas and diesel.
 
 That could mean a boost in revenue for Go Bio if the market
 demand for 
 used cooking oil to produce biodiesel trickles down to the
 company.
 
 The Clean Fuels program recognizes biodiesel, natural gas,
 electricity, 
 propane and ethanol as “clean fuels,” which release less
 carbon into the 
 atmosphere than gasoline and diesel.
 
 “I hope that the program strengthens the price structure
 for used 
 cooking oil so I can get a higher price for it and pay a
 higher price to 
 the restaurants,” Rola said.
 
 Go Bio pays for and collects cooking oil from about 200
 businesses 
 throughout Central Oregon and then hauls the waste product
 to Salem 
 where Sequential Pacific Biodiesel turns it into a usable
 fuel for 
 diesel engines.
 
 When Rola started the business seven years ago, he picked up
 barrels of 
 the used cooking oil in a pickup. He now has several trucks
 that run on 
 biodiesel and collect used vegetable oil from holding tanks
 at 
 restaurants. The volume of oil is higher at fast food
 restaurants.
 
 Several larger companies collect used cooking oil in Central
 Oregon as 
 well. Rola said Go Bio is the only one based locally.
 
 The current price for collected used cooking oil is the
 lowest it’s been 
 in five years, Rola said. The Clean Fuels program could
 change that 
 eventually.
 
 “It should create a higher demand for used cooking oil
 especially for my 
 product,” he said.
 
 The state program has instituted standards to reduce
 emissions based on 
 carbon-intensity values, a calculation of how much carbon is
 generated 
 by a particular transportation fuel.
 
 Because used cooking oil is essentially waste, its carbon
 footprint will 
 already be accounted for in the system, Rola said. In
 contrast, soybean 
 and corn production for biofuels has less of an offset value
 because of 
 the fuel used in the process to make it a finished product.
 
 The Legislature passed Senate Bill 324 earlier this year
 adding to the 
 program and giving direction to the commission. The bill was
 signed by 
 Gov. Kate Brown in March.
 
 The program has been attacked by the oil and trucking
 industry. 
 Opposition groups filed a lawsuit challenging the standards.
 A U.S. 
 District judge dismissed the case in September.
 
 Three ballot initiatives could also threaten the program’s
 current 
 structure if the measures are brought to voters in the
 November 2016 
 election and approved.
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Re: [Biofuel] China: CGN will make an investment of 1 billion euros in French solar project

[Ivan Menchero]

The question one must ask is.

Why do they want to do it in France and not in China? where they are VERY 
MUCH in need of clean energy, Beijing levels peak this year at 3000 (yes, I 
wrote it right 3K) where when I was living there the normal was 300 TERRIBLE 
I saw 500 I could not see the ground from my apartment.
They are in need of well paid jobs, clean energy, money (although everyone 
think China is doing great IT IS NOT, it is barely making it because most 
people in china are poor and many do not even have the basics) 
infrastructure, etc.


What are Chinese plotting?
Do not get me wrong it is great but they could do the same thing in north 
Beijing in the Goby desert or in Xinjian along with the wind or..


Merry Christmas from Amman,

Ivan


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From: Darryl McMahon

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Subject: [Biofuel] China: CGN will make an investment of 1 billion euros in 
French solar project


http://www.energymarketprice.com/SitePage.asp?act=NewsDetails=18591

China: CGN will make an investment of 1 billion euros in French solar
project

10/12/2015

Chinese power conglomerate CGN will make an investment of over 1 billion
euros ($1.10 billion) to generate solar energy in France via a
collaboration with a small Bordeaux-based firms that supplies
photovoltaic panels constructed on farm sheds.

CGN, state utility EDF's associate in Britain's Hinkley Point nuclear
plant project, has inked an agreement with Inovia Concept Developpement
that aims 1 gigawatt (GW) of yearly electricity production within five
years. Success in attaining that target would put the project's output
on a par with generation from a nuclear reactor. The project will be the
first incursion into the French solar market for CGN-EE, the Chinese
group's European division, as stated by its chief executive in
Gradignan, close to Bordeaux in southern France. Solar electricity
capacity has increased gradually in France compared with Germany, Spain
or Italy. To attain the 1 GW goal, the two firms hope to have to
construct approximately 10,000 sheds and to initiate work on 200 of
those by the end of the year. The construction and maintenance for the
project would probably create around 3,000 jobs globally, according to
the companies. The transaction comes after the inauguration at the
beginning of the month of a 300 megawatt solar farm -- Europe's largest
-- at a neighboring site covering 250 hectares south of Bordeaux.
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Re: [Biofuel] GMO Enquiry 2015 - Unanswered Questions from, 20 Years of GMOs in Canada

[Zac Johnson]

Hi,
Please remove me from this list.
Thanks.

  From: Darryl McMahon 
 To: Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:32 AM
 Subject: [Biofuel] GMO Enquiry 2015 - Unanswered Questions from, 20 Years of 
GMOs in Canada
   
http://gmoinquiry.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/gmo-inquiry-intro-booklet-web.pdf

9 page PDF document at link above.

Some excerpts below.

The Canadian government does not consult Canadians before
introducing new GM foods.  For example, the government may soon
approve a “non-browning” GM apple.  The company that owns the apple says 
it will benefit consumers because it has “more eye appeal: no yucky 
browning” but 69% of Canadians do not even want it approved.
Why don’t Canadians have a say?

Many farmers in Canada are concerned about the possible introduction of 
GM alfalfa because, among other impacts, GM contamination would threaten 
organic certification and conventional export markets.
Is every GM crop the same or are some GM crops more risky for farmers 
than others?

CBAN carefully examined these questions in 2014 with our report “Will GM 
Crops Feed the World?” and found that we already produce enough food to 
feed the world, and that GM crops do not help solve the real causes of 
hunger. This question brings attention to a number of different
issues raised by GMOs – including many that we will investigate earlier 
in the GMO Inquiry – and gives us the opportunity to look at the bigger 
picture.

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Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol, Recycling, Climate Change and Other Expensive Illusions - Breitbart

[Darryl McMahon]

When I was a member of the local municipal Consumer Advisory Panel on 
waste management, this was an annual battle.  The City would hire a 
consultant automaton to review the financials on recycling programs (as 
part of waste diversion).  Every year, the consultant would report the 
recycling program was losing money, so as a good business owner, the 
City should stop the program.  Every year, I and others would respond 
with 2 key points.


1) The City government is not a business, and is not supposed to 
operating as a for-profit enterprise.  It's job is to provide services 
to residents (not customers) at a reasonable cost to achieve other 
benefits (e.g., improved health due to better sanitation related to 
residential garbage collection).  Somehow, we never got presented with a 
proposal to stop collecting garbage because it did not make a profit.


2) The financial benefit from recycling programs was never about the 
money we got from selling the collected recyclables; it's about 
extending the life of the landfill site so we could avoid opening 
another one for 20-30 years.  A site which would much further away and 
more expensive than the costing for the current sites, which had been 
set up 20 to 40 years previously.


I posted this article because I saw it as so obviously going over the 
edge, and on multiple topics.  However, it represents a lot of other 
material I am seeing of late - typically on just 1 or 2 points, but 
similarly fact-free when it comes to providing support for the arguments 
made.


As for climate change, I'm really tired of seeing industry-sponsored 
spin pieces claiming it is much less expensive to do nothing than to 
make changes to slow or mitigate climate change.  I'll buy it's easier 
to do nothing than do something, but I think we're past the point where 
we can easily argue it's cheaper to keep pumping out the CO2 than not. 
In reality, the real argument is about what future we want (a habitable 
planet or not), but that's one the spinmeisters know they cannot win.


Darryl

On 10/26/2015 10:23 AM, Zeke Yewdall wrote:

Hmm.   Leaving aside the corn based biofuels issue, which I kind of
agree is a bit stupid, his arguments on recycling just don't make sense.
Several times, he mentions that the environmental benefit is not there and
implies that recycling costs more carbon than it saves... but never gives
any actual numbers to back this up -- turning back to whether the cost is
worth it several times, and then going off into avoiding emissions from
airplanes and electric cars as if that has anything to do with recycling.
He also seems to assume that all trash ends up in nice regulated landfills,
not in the ocean or on sides of roads.   And  I'm really baffled by his
hatred of reusable bags...

Z

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Darryl McMahon 
wrote:



http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/22/ethanol-recycling-climate-change-expensive-illusions/

Ethanol, Recycling, Climate Change and Other Expensive Illusions

by John Hayward  22 Oct 2015

The Left is always trying to claim the mantle of unimpeachable scientific
authority for its causes, especially those with an academic veneer, such as
environmentalism.

It should matter a great deal if their preferred policies are effective,
and while we argue about the possibilities of a subject such as climate
change, the effectiveness of programs which have been in place for many
years should be analyzed dispassionately.

Instead, demonstrably ineffective, inefficient, and even
counter-productive policies, such as biofuels and recycling, persist
because they “seem right” or “feel good.” The growing movement to ban
plastic bags and replace them with reusable grocery bags operates under the
same nonsensical rules of engagement.

John Tierney recently wrote a lengthy analysis of recycling for the New
York Times, as a follow-up to a 20-year old piece in which he first
presented evidence that “recycling was costly and ineffectual.” The modern
recycling regime was still fairly new in 1996, so Tierney gamely waited
twenty years before assembling a larger stack of results and passing
judgment on the process. He found nothing to change his conclusions:

 Despite decades of exhortations and mandates, it’s still typically
more expensive for municipalities to recycle household waste than to send
it to a landfill. Prices for recyclable materials have plummeted because of
lower oil prices and reduced demand for them overseas. The slump has forced
some recycling companies to shut plants and cancel plans for new
technologies. The mood is so gloomy that one industry veteran tried to
cheer up her colleagues this summer with an article in a trade journal
titled, “Recycling Is Not Dead!”

 While politicians set higher and higher goals, the national rate of
recycling has stagnated in recent years. Yes, it’s popular in affluent
neighborhoods like Park Slope in Brooklyn and in cities like San Francisco,

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol, Recycling, Climate Change and Other Expensive Illusions - Breitbart

[Zeke Yewdall]

Hmm.   Leaving aside the corn based biofuels issue, which I kind of
agree is a bit stupid, his arguments on recycling just don't make sense.
Several times, he mentions that the environmental benefit is not there and
implies that recycling costs more carbon than it saves... but never gives
any actual numbers to back this up -- turning back to whether the cost is
worth it several times, and then going off into avoiding emissions from
airplanes and electric cars as if that has anything to do with recycling.
He also seems to assume that all trash ends up in nice regulated landfills,
not in the ocean or on sides of roads.   And  I'm really baffled by his
hatred of reusable bags...

Z

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Darryl McMahon 
wrote:

>
> http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/22/ethanol-recycling-climate-change-expensive-illusions/
>
> Ethanol, Recycling, Climate Change and Other Expensive Illusions
>
> by John Hayward  22 Oct 2015
>
> The Left is always trying to claim the mantle of unimpeachable scientific
> authority for its causes, especially those with an academic veneer, such as
> environmentalism.
>
> It should matter a great deal if their preferred policies are effective,
> and while we argue about the possibilities of a subject such as climate
> change, the effectiveness of programs which have been in place for many
> years should be analyzed dispassionately.
>
> Instead, demonstrably ineffective, inefficient, and even
> counter-productive policies, such as biofuels and recycling, persist
> because they “seem right” or “feel good.” The growing movement to ban
> plastic bags and replace them with reusable grocery bags operates under the
> same nonsensical rules of engagement.
>
> John Tierney recently wrote a lengthy analysis of recycling for the New
> York Times, as a follow-up to a 20-year old piece in which he first
> presented evidence that “recycling was costly and ineffectual.” The modern
> recycling regime was still fairly new in 1996, so Tierney gamely waited
> twenty years before assembling a larger stack of results and passing
> judgment on the process. He found nothing to change his conclusions:
>
> Despite decades of exhortations and mandates, it’s still typically
> more expensive for municipalities to recycle household waste than to send
> it to a landfill. Prices for recyclable materials have plummeted because of
> lower oil prices and reduced demand for them overseas. The slump has forced
> some recycling companies to shut plants and cancel plans for new
> technologies. The mood is so gloomy that one industry veteran tried to
> cheer up her colleagues this summer with an article in a trade journal
> titled, “Recycling Is Not Dead!”
>
> While politicians set higher and higher goals, the national rate of
> recycling has stagnated in recent years. Yes, it’s popular in affluent
> neighborhoods like Park Slope in Brooklyn and in cities like San Francisco,
> but residents of the Bronx and Houston don’t have the same fervor for
> sorting garbage in their spare time.
>
> The future for recycling looks even worse. As cities move beyond
> recycling paper and metals, and into glass, food scraps and assorted
> plastics, the costs rise sharply while the environmental benefits decline
> and sometimes vanish. “If you believe recycling is good for the planet and
> that we need to do more of it, then there’s a crisis to confront,” says
> David P. Steiner, the chief executive officer of Waste Management, the
> largest recycler of household trash in the United States. “Trying to turn
> garbage into gold costs a lot more than expected. We need to ask ourselves:
> What is the goal here?”
>
> When the CEO of the largest recycling company openly speculates that his
> expensive service isn’t actually delivering the sought-after environmental
> value, it seems like rather big news. We are always told to distrust
> arguments from interest – in other words, we’re supposed to instinctively
> distrust anything positive an oil company says about oil consumption, no
> matter how much rock-solid data the company can muster. Isn’t it noteworthy
> that a company would advance such a profound argument against interest?
>
> As Tierney goes on to demonstrate, the environmental benefit from most
> recycling is absurdly small, providing the example of an air passenger who
> would have to recycle 40,000 plastic bottles in order to offset the carbon
> emissions from a single round-trip flight from New York to London.  (There
> must be over a thousand people a day flying that particular route, which
> adds up to a lot of plastic bottles.)
>
> Also, the very act of preparing and recycling trash has a significant
> environmental impact, which is simply ignored by environmental evangelists,
> the same way they completely ignore the carbon emissions necessary to
> charge electric cars. Clearly, this curious religion believes that energy
> and emissions are sanctified based on 

Re: [Biofuel] CRISPR, the disruptor : Nature News & Comment

[imenchero]

This gives me the hiviejibees!

I am pro tech but knowing there is money involved and knowing what Monsanto 
does, and after reafing "the coming plague".
I would consider a ban or a EXTREMELY  tight control over it.

This shit can kill us, or something else and since most of us are so brittle


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From: Darryl McMahon 
Date:10/09/2015  00:42  (GMT+02:00)
To: Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] CRISPR, the disruptor : Nature News & Comment

http://www.nature.com/news/crispr-the-disruptor-1.17673

[images and links in on-line article]

CRISPR, the disruptor

A powerful gene-editing technology is the biggest game changer to hit
biology since PCR. But with its huge potential come pressing concerns.

 Heidi Ledford

03 June 2015 Clarified:  08 June 2015

Three years ago, Bruce Conklin came across a method that made him change
the course of his lab.

Conklin, a geneticist at the Gladstone Institutes in San Francisco,
California, had been trying to work out how variations in DNA affect
various human diseases, but his tools were cumbersome. When he worked
with cells from patients, it was hard to know which sequences were
important for disease and which were just background noise. And
engineering a mutation into cells was expensive and laborious work. “It
was a student's entire thesis to change one gene,” he says.

Then, in 2012, he read about a newly published technique1 called CRISPR
that would allow researchers to quickly change the DNA of nearly any
organism — including humans. Soon after, Conklin abandoned his previous
approach to modelling disease and adopted this new one. His lab is now
feverishly altering genes associated with various heart conditions.
“CRISPR is turning everything on its head,” he says.

The sentiment is widely shared: CRISPR is causing a major upheaval in
biomedical research. Unlike other gene-editing methods, it is cheap,
quick and easy to use, and it has swept through labs around the world as
a result. Researchers hope to use it to adjust human genes to eliminate
diseases, create hardier plants, wipe out pathogens and much more
besides. “I've seen two huge developments since I've been in science:
CRISPR and PCR,” says John Schimenti, a geneticist at Cornell University
in Ithaca, New York. Like PCR, the gene-amplification method that
revolutionized genetic engineering after its invention in 1985, “CRISPR
is impacting the life sciences in so many ways,” he says.

But although CRISPR has much to offer, some scientists are worried that
the field's breakneck pace leaves little time for addressing the ethical
and safety concerns such experiments can raise. The problem was thrust
into the spotlight in April, when news broke that scientists had used
CRISPR to engineer human embryos (see Nature 520, 593–595; 2015). The
embryos they used were unable to result in a live birth, but the report2
has generated heated debate over whether and how CRISPR should be used
to make heritable changes to the human genome. And there are other
concerns. Some scientists want to see more studies that probe whether
the technique generates stray and potentially risky genome edits; others
worry that edited organisms could disrupt entire ecosystems.

“This power is so easily accessible by labs — you don't need a very
expensive piece of equipment and people don't need to get many years of
training to do this,” says Stanley Qi, a systems biologist at Stanford
University in California. “We should think carefully about how we are
going to use that power.”

Research revolution

Biologists have long been able to edit genomes with molecular tools.
About ten years ago, they became excited by enzymes called zinc finger
nucleases that promised to do this accurately and efficiently. But zinc
fingers, which cost US$5,000 or more to order, were not widely adopted
because they are difficult to engineer and expensive, says James Haber,
a molecular biologist at Brandeis University in Waltham, Massachusetts.
CRISPR works differently: it relies on an enzyme called Cas9 that uses a
guide RNA molecule to home in on its target DNA, then edits the DNA to
disrupt genes or insert desired sequences. Researchers often need to
order only the RNA fragment; the other components can be bought off the
shelf. Total cost: as little as $30. “That effectively democratized the
technology so that everyone is using it,” says Haber. “It's a huge
revolution.”

CRISPR methodology is quickly eclipsing zinc finger nucleases and other
editing tools (see 'The rise of CRISPR'). For some, that means
abandoning techniques they had taken years to perfect. “I'm depressed,”
says Bill Skarnes, a geneticist at the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute
in Hinxton, UK, “but I'm also excited.” Skarnes had spent much of his
career using a technology introduced in the mid-1980s: inserting DNA
into embryonic stem cells and then using those cells to generate

Re: [Biofuel] CRISPR, the disruptor : Nature News & Comment

[Darryl McMahon]

Yes, I had similar thoughts / fears.  Syngenta and the second tier 
nature re-modelers also come to mind as risk factors.  I was afraid I 
was being alarmist, but this has been on my mind since I posted this. 
It has also raised the hair on the necks of a couple of my friends 
off-list in the past few hours.


Darryl


On 9/10/2015 5:36 AM, imenchero wrote:

This gives me the hiviejibees!

I am pro tech but knowing there is money involved and knowing what Monsanto does, and 
after reafing "the coming plague".
I would consider a ban or a EXTREMELY  tight control over it.

This shit can kill us, or something else and since most of us are so brittle


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 Original message 
From: Darryl McMahon 
Date:10/09/2015  00:42  (GMT+02:00)
To: Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] CRISPR, the disruptor : Nature News & Comment

http://www.nature.com/news/crispr-the-disruptor-1.17673

[images and links in on-line article]

CRISPR, the disruptor

A powerful gene-editing technology is the biggest game changer to hit
biology since PCR. But with its huge potential come pressing concerns.

  Heidi Ledford

03 June 2015 Clarified:  08 June 2015

Three years ago, Bruce Conklin came across a method that made him change
the course of his lab.

Conklin, a geneticist at the Gladstone Institutes in San Francisco,
California, had been trying to work out how variations in DNA affect
various human diseases, but his tools were cumbersome. When he worked
with cells from patients, it was hard to know which sequences were
important for disease and which were just background noise. And
engineering a mutation into cells was expensive and laborious work. “It
was a student's entire thesis to change one gene,” he says.

Then, in 2012, he read about a newly published technique1 called CRISPR
that would allow researchers to quickly change the DNA of nearly any
organism — including humans. Soon after, Conklin abandoned his previous
approach to modelling disease and adopted this new one. His lab is now
feverishly altering genes associated with various heart conditions.
“CRISPR is turning everything on its head,” he says.

The sentiment is widely shared: CRISPR is causing a major upheaval in
biomedical research. Unlike other gene-editing methods, it is cheap,
quick and easy to use, and it has swept through labs around the world as
a result. Researchers hope to use it to adjust human genes to eliminate
diseases, create hardier plants, wipe out pathogens and much more
besides. “I've seen two huge developments since I've been in science:
CRISPR and PCR,” says John Schimenti, a geneticist at Cornell University
in Ithaca, New York. Like PCR, the gene-amplification method that
revolutionized genetic engineering after its invention in 1985, “CRISPR
is impacting the life sciences in so many ways,” he says.

But although CRISPR has much to offer, some scientists are worried that
the field's breakneck pace leaves little time for addressing the ethical
and safety concerns such experiments can raise. The problem was thrust
into the spotlight in April, when news broke that scientists had used
CRISPR to engineer human embryos (see Nature 520, 593–595; 2015). The
embryos they used were unable to result in a live birth, but the report2
has generated heated debate over whether and how CRISPR should be used
to make heritable changes to the human genome. And there are other
concerns. Some scientists want to see more studies that probe whether
the technique generates stray and potentially risky genome edits; others
worry that edited organisms could disrupt entire ecosystems.

“This power is so easily accessible by labs — you don't need a very
expensive piece of equipment and people don't need to get many years of
training to do this,” says Stanley Qi, a systems biologist at Stanford
University in California. “We should think carefully about how we are
going to use that power.”

Research revolution

Biologists have long been able to edit genomes with molecular tools.
About ten years ago, they became excited by enzymes called zinc finger
nucleases that promised to do this accurately and efficiently. But zinc
fingers, which cost US$5,000 or more to order, were not widely adopted
because they are difficult to engineer and expensive, says James Haber,
a molecular biologist at Brandeis University in Waltham, Massachusetts.
CRISPR works differently: it relies on an enzyme called Cas9 that uses a
guide RNA molecule to home in on its target DNA, then edits the DNA to
disrupt genes or insert desired sequences. Researchers often need to
order only the RNA fragment; the other components can be bought off the
shelf. Total cost: as little as $30. “That effectively democratized the
technology so that everyone is using it,” says Haber. “It's a huge
revolution.”

CRISPR methodology is quickly eclipsing zinc finger nucleases and other
editing tools (see 'The rise of CRISPR'). For some, 

Re: [Biofuel] Can the Electric Car Save the Planet From Oil's Contribution to Mass Extinction?

[Dawie Coetzee]

No, it can't. It'll exacerbate the problem.   -D

 
  From: Darryl McMahon 
 To: Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org 
 Sent: Thursday, 10 September 2015, 23:03
 Subject: [Biofuel] Can the Electric Car Save the Planet From Oil's 
Contribution to Mass Extinction?
   
http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/can-the-electric-car-save-the-planet-from-oil-s-contribution-to-mass-extinction

Thursday, 10 September 2015 07:24

Can the Electric Car Save the Planet From Oil's Contribution to Mass 
Extinction?

JACQUELINE MARCUS FOR BUZZFLASH AT TRUTHOUT

As we all know, the only reason why we are still dependent on fossil 
fuels is because Big Oil has forced the world to rely on their product 
since the late 1800s. It’s a barbaric and antiquated form of energy that 
should have been phased out a long time ago with scalpels and blood 
leeching, given the advancement of renewable energy technologies.

The one thing that Big Oil fears most is the lack of demand for their 
product. When public demand diminishes, supply is not worth the trouble 
and expense. It’s basic economics.

Recently, environmental activists and commentators have pointed to 
President Obama’s hypocrisy of traveling to the Arctic to talk about the 
melting ice and climate change, and at the same time, he allowed Royal 
Dutch Shell to begin oil and gas drilling in the Chukchi Sea, off 
Alaska’s northwest coast despite massive protests and demonstrations.

But this is the way it always goes down. The truth is President Obama is 
generally pro-oil and gas. His actions-decisions on oil drilling speak 
far louder than his empty speeches on climate change.

As usual, Big Oil wins and every living thing on this earth loses. When 
are we going to stop being victims? We approach the problem of climate 
change from the same strategy of begging politicians to do the right 
thing when they will never do the right thing for the reason that the 
oil industry writes the checks and buys them off. And they own the 
corporate networks as well. That’s why meteorologists are not allowed to 
connect the dots between extreme weather disasters and global warming or 
else they’ll be fired on the spot.

Round and round we go on this insane merry-go-round until there is 
nothing left to speak of regarding the emergency crisis we’re facing 
with the clock ticking as the last ice melts in the Artic: We are 
categorically facing mass extinction produced by man-made pollution, and 
it’s happening rapidly, faster than scientists predicted.

However, there is one possibility, one major industry that could save 
the day and put an end to the demand and supply of oil once and for all:

The auto industry, globally speaking, could very easily phase out all 
gas-fueled vehicles. They don’t need the oil industry, but the oil 
industry needs the auto industry. Thus the auto makers are more powerful 
than Big Oil from this perspective. The auto industry is no longer 
dependent on the oil industry, given the production of electric cars, 
and the high demand for them. Therefore, they have the power to save the 
earth. If the auto makers of the world agreed, together, to phase out 
the production of all gas-fueled vehicles by 2020 – that would be the 
final stake in the oil-vampire’s heart. That would finish them off for good.

The truth is that the auto industry was on the way to making electric 
vehicles in the early 1990s. But Big Oil, their corrupt politicians, and 
the corporate media stopped the production through crooked politics. 
View a documentary called Who Killed the Electric Car Part I and II to 
learn more about GM’s EVI.

The focus of the film was on GM’s sporty EVI and how the oil industry 
with the help of corrupt politicians literally eliminated this cool 
little car that purred silently on the highways was literally taken to 
the dump and smashed to pieces. It’s absolutely shocking to see these 
beautiful brand new EV1s crushed into balls of garbage.

It’s important to note that not all rich CEOs of major corporations are 
bad guys. In the film, Elon Musk, CEO and product architect of Tesla 
Motors, and chairman of SolarCity, has the exact same goal in mind that 
I’m writing about in this commentary: phase out gas-vehicles, make 
electric cars affordable, and save the earth. Musk has also had his fair 
share of attacks, threats and aggravation in a political system that is 
owned by the oil industry. In the case of West Virginia, the auto 
industry is in bed with Big Oil.

Tesla sales were banned in West Virginia because Governor Ray Tomblin 
signed into law a bill that prevents manufacturers from operating their 
own dealerships. Tesla wanted to sell his EVs directly to consumers, but 
Big Oil and crooked politicians primarily in the southern states, North 
Carolina, Texas, have quickly passed laws to prevent Tesla from selling 
his electric cars. If Elon Musk were selling gas-fueled cars, Big Oil 
and their 

Re: [Biofuel] Building Another House

[Darryl McMahon]

Looking forward to the 'more to come'.

The bigger house is, IMO, mostly about stuff, and in our case, keeping 
space for return of boomerang kids.  When I was a kid, we got put 
outside.  The TV was small, there were 2 channels, no video games.  Now 
the TV covers half a wall, there's usually more than one, 500 channels 
and 3 game consoles.  We did not need a 'computer room' 40 years ago; 
now I have a server farm in my basement.  I'm not exactly typical in 
this regard, but people I know that work in offices away from home 
certainly have a sizable computer work area at home, and a shelf or two 
of associated gear (modems, routers, firewalls, WiFi transceivers, 
printers, media centre, archive drives, etc.).  We're in a two story 
plus partial basement.  22 feet by 24 feet on main floor, plus attached 
2-car garage (mostly storage space), and a bedroom above the garage. 
Total space about 1900 sq ft IIRC from when we did the original 
measurements.  We have housed up to 5 adults and one child here a couple 
of times, in addition to my home office and order fulfillment storage 
and shipping space, and my son's electronics workspace.  'Cozy' would be 
a polite euphemism, but it is manageable for extended periods if necessary.


With a $600/year heating bill (space heating and hot water, and some see 
Ottawa winters as sub-arctic), we can't get a furnace - let alone a 
ground-source heat pump small enough to cycle properly.  We have had 
solar primary heating in the past with natural gas backup, and in winter 
the gas generally only came on from just before people getting up in the 
coldest 3 winter months until the solar heating kicked in.  Natural gas 
company used to come check our meter in the spring each year then to see 
how we were 'cheating' them.


Clothes also take up space when you need a 3-season wardrobe (summer: 
up to 35 degree C and high-90s humidity; winter:  down to -30 C with 
wind chills to -40, up to 2 metres of snow accumulation through the 
season; spring and fall:  anything in between, with occasional heavy rains).


We still have the same central air conditioner that came with the house 
27 years ago - an 'antique' at that time.  Still runs nicely.  Had the 
freon boosted once, and a fan motor.  Used it 4 days last year.  2 so 
far this year.


Saw fireflies in my yard tonight.  That's a first in 27 years here. 
Unfortunately, I was driven in by the mosquitoes, which seem more 
prevalent this year than most in the recent past.  Assuming I get to 
rebuild our gazebo this year, I will have to make sure it has a solid 
floor and good mesh to keep the mini-vampires at bay.


Darryl

On 7/20/2015 12:02 PM, robert and benita rabello wrote:

Perhaps one of the most environmentally significant decisions a family
can make involves building a home. We're in the throes of the planning
process for our next house, and like the last time we did this, I'm
finding that there's a certain momentum pushing us toward the
conventional that is exceedingly hard to resist.

The pressure to build a BIG house is the most significant of these. When
I first approached the draftsman about our project, I mentioned that I
wanted a home no larger than 1 700 square feet. During the course of our
discussion, this somehow morphed into 1 700 square feet on the main
floor, creating all manner of frictions between us and the draftsman . . .

Building BIG, of course, uses far more materials, creates a lot more
waste, and all of that interior space has to be heated and cooled. As it
is, 1 700 square feet is far larger than the home I grew up in as a boy,
but compared to the home projects being constructed in our area, we're
asking for a very small house.

Odd, isn't it?

13 years ago, during our last construction project (which long-time list
members may recall), I wanted to collect solar energy in a large water
tank and use a heat pump to extract it for domestic hot water and home
heating. The builder and the credit union manager both thought I was
nuts. That won't work, they said, maths notwithstanding.

The idea was too radical at the time, and we wound up with a natural gas
fired boiler that, despite being the smallest one available, was still
too large for our hyper-insulated house. It never stayed on long enough
to properly heat its chimney, and we wound up with acidified gases in
the flue that started eating away at the exhaust pipe. We battled this
problem for as long as we owned that house. I'd not wanted to burn
anything at all, but external factors forced my hand.

About four years later, however, a builder in our area began
constructing homes employing the exact idea I'd wanted to use in my
house. Seeing this made me feel determined to stand firm next time
around. In our current project, this type of hybrid solar heat pump has
become commercially available, our builder is quite excited to install
this technology in our new house, and this time around the credit union
manager isn't even batting an eyelash at 

Re: [Biofuel] First Solar, Utilities Say Big Solar Farms Cheaper Than Rooftops - Renewable Energy World

[Zeke Yewdall]

Completely ignoring what the relative value per kWh is of electricity
produced on the same site as load, vs eletricity produced remotely and that
is required to be transported and distributed out to the loads.  I don't
argue that a large solar farm is cheaper per kWh produced, but by the time
you take into account the benefits of generation at point of load, I'm not
so sure that it's still better.

Zeke

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com
wrote:


 http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/news/2015/07/first-solar-utilities-say-big-solar-farms-cheaper-than-rooftops.html

 [But who ends up owning the production resource and revenue?  Citizens or
 corporations?  Opportunity for co-ops?  Local example:  Ottawa Renewable
 Energy Co-op - http://www.ottawarenewableenergycoop.com/

 It is not clear if the analysis allows for costs associated with stringing
 and maintaining transmission and distribution wiring required for a remote,
 large solar array vs. one mounted on a site where the electricity would be
 used.]

 First Solar, Utilities Say Big Solar Farms Cheaper Than Rooftops

 July 15, 2015

 By Christopher Martin, Bloomberg

 Building vast fields of solar panels for utilities is cheaper than bolting
 lots of little ones to rooftops, and now First Solar Inc. has more data to
 prove it.

 The largest U.S. developer of utility-scale solar farms joined a utility
 industry group to fund a study that found rooftop solar systems can be more
 than double the cost of large ground-mounted power plants.

 The Brattle Group study is the latest salvo in an escalating battle
 between utilities and rooftop developers including SolarCity Corp. and
 Sunrun Inc. that install solar panels on homes and offices, eating into
 revenue for the regulated monopolies.

 “Members of the utility trade group worry rooftop solar is cannibalizing
 their growth,” Kit Konolige, an analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence, said in
 a research note Wednesday. “Large-scale solar companies are siding with the
 utilities they sell to, in opposition to SolarCity and other rooftop
 installers.”

 First Solar, based in Tempe, Arizona, has long supported utility
 generation over rooftop installers, with Chief Executive Officer James
 Hughes writing a 2013 opinion piece in the Arizona Republic saying solar
 homes don’t pay their fair share of the grid.

 The Brattle Group report was prepared for First Solar, with support from
 the Edison Electric Institute. It evaluated data from Xcel Energy Inc.’s
 power grid in Colorado and found that the cost of electricity from 300
 megawatts of utility-scale, solar farms was “roughly one-half the cost per
 kilowatt-hour of the output from an equivalent 300 megawatts of 5-kilowatt
 residential scale systems.” The ground-mounted systems have tracking
 systems that move the panels as the sun traverses the sky, boosting
 efficiency, while the rooftop panels were fixed.

 It projected that costs in 2019 for large-scale solar farms would be 6.6
 cents to 11.7 cents a kilowatt-hour, while power from a typical residential
 system would cost 12.3 cents to 19.3 cents a kilowatt-hour.
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Re: [Biofuel] Abandoned Uranium Mines Plague Navajo Nation

[Zeke Yewdall]

I've spent a bit of time down there and I've driven by a number of the old
Uranium mines.   The coal mining is a big issue as well, in the particular
area where I've been going -- dropping the water table for pumping coal
slurry and drying up wells.

Z

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com wrote:


 http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30669-abandoned-uranium-mines-plague-navajo-nation

 [links in on-line article]

 Abandoned Uranium Mines Plague Navajo Nation

 Thursday, 07 May 2015 00:00

 By Sonia Luokkala, Earth Island Journal | Report

 Also see: Toxic Legacy: Uranium Mining in New Mexico
 (
 http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/21959-toxic-legacy-uranium-mining-in-new-mexico
 )

 The mesas of Monument Valley rise deep red on the horizon. We are in Diné
 Bikéyah, land of the Navajo.

 This is John Wayne country, trained Navajo guide Gregory Holiday repeats
 his lines for an enchanted group of tourists. The view opens boundless to
 the sacred land of the Diné people, but for visitors it is presented as the
 iconic west of cowboys and Americana.

 The sun sets and the last traveler boards the bus to leave Navajo Nation
 and head back to Flagstaff and into US-governed territory. With the bus'
 departure, Gregory's role as the light-hearted Indian guide ends. We take a
 gravel road to his home in the village of Oljato. During the jolty ride the
 rehearsed stories of Wild West heroes shift to memories of deceased loved
 ones.

 My daughter loved to ride her motorbike in the desert, he says.

 Two years ago Gregory's daughter died of lung cancer. Her child, Gregory's
 granddaughter, was a victim of Navajo neuropathy, a rare condition named
 after the only population in which it occurs. For those suffering from the
 disease, limbs begin to tingle, then lose all sense of touch, and
 eventually appear curled as claws. Ultimately, the victim dies of liver
 failure. One study put the average age of death at 10. First described in
 medical literature in 1976, there is no cure.

 In the 1940s, surveyors discovered significant uranium deposits throughout
 the once worthless desert landscape of the reservation. Between 1944 and
 1986, as the US government aimed to cut off all dependence on imported
 uranium, nearly 4 million tons of ore were extracted to fuel the Cold War
 nuclear arm's race. With the end of the war, the mining companies moved
 out. They were not required to clean up their mess and left behind the
 legacy of their extraction efforts, including mining waste and abandoned
 mines.

 The incidence of Navajo neuropathy is five times higher on the western
 side of the Navajo reservation than on the eastern side. Some researchers
 believe this discrepancy is linked to the land: On the western side, the
 mines were mostly tunnels, whereas in the west they were primarily open
 pits. After the uranium companies left, the unfilled pits started to fill
 with water. Some, as deep as 130 feet, eventually formed into small lakes.
 Unsuspecting Navajos and their livestock use the contaminated water for
 drinking.

 A 1990 study of Navajo neuropathy ruled out water contamination as a
 possible cause of the disease. However, that study has since been cast into
 doubt. In 2006, the Los Angeles Times reported that the study did not
 fully consider the role of uranium mining. Interviewed for the LA Times
 story, Steve Helgerson, lead scientist for the study, said his team had
 ruled out water contamination because families impacted by Navajo
 neuropathy were supplied by multiple water sources. He said the team did
 not explore whether these multiple sources shared common contaminants.

 As the Los Angeles Times also reported, in 1986, Thomas Payne an
 environmental health officer for Indian Health Services, along with a
 National Park Service ranger, took water samples at 48 sites surrounding
 Cameron, AZ, a town in Navajo Nation. These samples revealed uranium levels
 in wells as high as 139 picocuries per liter. In abandoned pits, the levels
 were as high as 4,024 pinocuries. The EPA limit for safe drinking water is
 20 picocuries per liter. At the time of his study, Helgerson was not aware
 of these results.

 No further studies have been conducted on the possible links between the
 environment and Navajo neuropathy. The source of the illness remains
 formally unknown, although similar symptoms were seen in the children of
 Chernobyl and in the victims of Minamata disease in Japan, both caused by
 environmental factors.

 Conditions in Holiday's hometown, Oljato, resemble those of a third world
 country. Residents have limited access to clean water and live in houses
 constructed of uranium-contaminated gravel.

 Six abandoned uranium mines that still emit dangerous gamma rays surround
 the village. In 2014, the EPA scanned almost 500 mines across Navajo Nation
 for radiation; the majority measured levels at least 10-times greater than
 background radiation levels, some as high as 25-times 

Re: [Biofuel] The downside of biodiesel fuel

[Tom]

Maybe we could suggest JtF archives as a good place to start research.

-Original Message-
From: Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com
Sent: ‎5/‎5/‎2015 12:12 PM
To: Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org 
Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] The downside of biodiesel fuel

http://phys.org/news/2015-05-downside-biodiesel-fuel.html

[Couldn't possibly be the cleaning action of biodiesel in a vehicle with 
years of petro-crap in fuel system.  Not enough info in the article to 
know, and lots of mythology re-cycled.  Of course, if you were a 
university prof looking for grant money, no point in looking at what 
others have already learned when you can redo it all from scratch.

images in on-line article]

May 5, 2015

The downside of biodiesel fuel

The oil industry believes biodiesel is not to blame for problems that 
Norwegian car owners are experiencing. But the nature of the fuel means 
that it has to be handled differently than regular petroleum-based 
diesel, a Norwegian researcher says, especially in colder climates or if 
it is stored for longer periods.

Can diesel made from a biodiesel blend be blamed for clogged car filters 
and nozzles, reduced or lost engine power and costly visits to the 
garage by Norwegian car owners? No, says the oil industry. But Professor 
Terese Løvås from the Norwegian University of Science and Technology 
(NTNU) doesn't want to dismiss biodiesel concerns so easily.

We know that biodiesel behaves differently than petroleum-derived 
diesel. Biodiesel is a 'living' substance that can change and 
deteriorate over time. This can create problems that are not addressed 
adequately by the current European Union (EU) product standards. We may 
need to review all the relevant standards, and look at what needs to be 
done to prevent these problems, says Løvås, from NTNU's Department of 
Energy and Process Engineering.

All auto diesel fuel sold in Norway contains as much as 7 per cent 
biodiesel. The blend is intended to help reduce CO2 emissions, because 
in principle biofuels are climate neutral. The biodiesel/petrodiesel 
fuel blend requirements are based on EU product standards that stipulate 
detailed fuel characteristics under various conditions.

Clogged filters

However, Norwegian car owners regularly report that they have problems 
where biodiesel is suspected to be the cause. Following a sharp increase 
in clogged diesel filters a few years ago, the British Department for 
Transport asked the oil industry and regulatory authorities to solve the 
problem. Auto filters became plugged by a waxy substance in cold 
weather, and cars lost engine power. The BBC reported that the biodiesel 
additive was the probable cause of the problems. A possible explanation 
was the use of recycled cooking oil, which clumps readily in the cold.

The Norwegian television programme TV 2 hjelper reported the woes of a 
car owner who earlier this winter struggled with repeated engine 
problems and expensive repairs. The auto repair shop said that her car 
could not tolerate diesel with the biofuel additive. The program also 
interviewed a repair shop owner who said his shop serviced one to two 
cars a week that had clogged filters and nozzles, probably caused by 
biodiesel.

A familiar problem

According to Løvås, we don't know the full extent of the problem or how 
much it has increased since biodiesel has been blended into petrodiesel, 
but it is quite clear that it is a growing problem. It's a well-known 
issue among researchers and the subject of a lot of research, she says.

The main problem is that biofuels are less stable than petrodiesel, and 
they deteriorate over time. Light, temperature and humidity increase the 
rate of deterioration.

Biofuels contain oxygen compounds, which can lead to oxidation if the 
fuel is not processed and stored properly. The fuel then forms waxy 
substances that can clog filters and nozzles, says Løvås.

The EU product standard EN590 summarizes the product requirements for 
diesel fuel. The standard contains detailed requirements for cetane 
numbers (corresponding to octane in gasoline), density and viscosity, 
for example. Scientists, governments, engine manufacturers and oil 
companies have collaborated to develop and periodically update the 
standard over many years.

Standards inadequate

Løvås believes that the current diesel fuel standard does not adequately 
address the problems that stem from biofuels changing over time.

Right now, there are clear requirements for the fuel quality when it 
leaves the production site. Perhaps we also need standard requirements 
for fuel storage and handling, for example how long the fuel can be 
stored, and under what conditions, without changing character, she says.

But more tests cost more money, as do technical measures such as extra 
fine filtration to remove wax particles before filling the tank with fuel.

If new requirements are imposed on oil companies, they 

Re: [Biofuel] Plug-In Hybrid HUMMERs Headed For The South Pole On Biodiesel

[Juan Boveda]

Hello Darryl.
I think they need for that trip is to choose a biodiesel ready for low 
temperatures like the used by jet planes, a winterized fuel prior it 
is used in Antartica; that proccess is to expose fuel to freezing 
temperatures equivalent to artantic conditions, give time to cristalize 
and after that, pass it throught a filter the fuel to be used by 
vehicles to avoid a thick mass of partly frozen biodiesel. The fraction 
of longer carbon saturated fatty acid methyl esther will be separated by 
cristalization and filtration and use only the liquid fraction.

Best Regards.

Juan Bóveda

El 24/04/2015 12:50, Darryl McMahon escribió:
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097982_plug-in-hybrid-hummers-headed-for-the-south-pole-on-biodiesel 



[My son has a personal connection with these vehicles and the team 
which built them.  The original prototype battery pack and chargers 
are scattered through my garage just now, awaiting new uses.


images in on-line article]

Plug-In Hybrid HUMMERs Headed For The South Pole On Biodiesel

Stephen Edelstein

Apr 24, 2015

If you were going to drive to the South Pole, what vehicle would you 
choose?


There's a team gearing up right now to undertake that very 
adventure--using a pair of plug-in hybrid Hummers.


The mission is called Zero South, signifying the group's goal of being 
the first to reach the South Pole without using any fossil fuels.


And the team's choice of vehicle wasn't an accident.

The intentional irony of converting a Hummer into a plug-in hybrid 
had a certain appeal, according to a Zero South statement.


Zero South hopes to promote awareness of environmental issues, and 
believes electrified Hummers will make excellent conversation starters.


We shall draft a symbol of military defense for the front lines of 
environmental defense, expedition organizer Nick Baggarly declared.


There's a practical element to the choice of vehicle, too.

To tackle Antarctic ice and snow, the Zero South team needed a vehicle 
with a wide track.


Each Hummer is equipped with a 3.2-liter six-cylinder turbodiesel 
engine that will run on biofuel during the expedition.


There's also an electric motor for each axle, retaining the Hummer's 
four-wheel drive capability.


Electricity is supplied by a 24-kilowatt-hour lithium-ion battery 
pack, mounted in an insulated battery box to maintain consistent 
temperature.


Green powertrains weren't the only modifications made to the pair of 
Hummers.


The expedition vehicles features reinforced drivetrain and suspension 
components, as well as upgrades allowing them to operate in 
temperatures as low as -60 degress Fahrenheit.


Then there are those tank treads.

They're supplied by a company called Mattracks, which sells them as an 
aftermarket add-on for Hummers and other SUVs and trucks.


On road tires, the plug-in Hummers are capable of an estimated 32 
miles of electric range, although Zero South hasn't yet determined how 
far they'll be able to go on the tracks.


It's also unclear where they would recharge while traversing Antarctica.

One of the vehicles is designated to tow a modified Airstream trailer, 
nicknamed the Snowstream.


The entire journey is expected to span 1,200 miles; if successful, 
Zero South says its vehicles will be the first hybrids driven to the 
South Pole.


The group plans to document its journey on camera, and produce a 
10-episode television miniseries and feature-length film for maximum 
exposure of their proposed exploit.

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Re: [Biofuel] Oklahoma Recognizes Role of Drilling in Earthquakes - NYTimes.com

[Zeke Yewdall]

I think the last sentence here is the most telling part -- it may be
irreversible.  He is probably saying this as a reason to not stop the
disposal wells, but I think it serves better as a reason why we never
should start.  Once you do... who knows how long before the earthquakes
stop.  100 years?  10,000 years?  100,000 years?


“There may be a link between earthquakes and disposal wells,” the group’s
 president, Chad Warmington, said in the statement, “but we — industry,
 regulators, researchers, lawmakers or state residents — still don’t know
 enough about how wastewater injection impacts Oklahoma’s underground
 faults.”

 Nor is there any evidence that halting wastewater injection would slow or
 stop the earthquakes, he said.

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Re: [Biofuel] Oklahoma Recognizes Role of Drilling in Earthquakes - NYTimes.com

[Darryl McMahon]

Actually, my thought was, there is also no evidence that halting 
wastewater injection won't stop the earthquakes either.  So, in the 
interest of science and general human benefit, we should stop for - say 
10 years - and see what happens.  If the earthquakes slow or stop (past 
research in other areas indicates strong probability), then we have a 
very strong case for saying there is a cause and effect relationship.


Darryl

On 23/04/2015 9:18 AM, Zeke Yewdall wrote:

I think the last sentence here is the most telling part -- it may be
irreversible.  He is probably saying this as a reason to not stop the
disposal wells, but I think it serves better as a reason why we never
should start.  Once you do... who knows how long before the earthquakes
stop.  100 years?  10,000 years?  100,000 years?


“There may be a link between earthquakes and disposal wells,” the group’s

president, Chad Warmington, said in the statement, “but we — industry,
regulators, researchers, lawmakers or state residents — still don’t know
enough about how wastewater injection impacts Oklahoma’s underground
faults.”

Nor is there any evidence that halting wastewater injection would slow or
stop the earthquakes, he said.


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Re: [Biofuel] Major advance in artificial photosynthesis could turn carbon emissions into desirable chemicals

[Chris Burck]

Here's an alternative listing:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150416132638.htm

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Re: [Biofuel] Microbeads - Anybody got a source?

[Chris Burck]

Hmm, no.  You might start with websites that cater to DIY beauty
hobbyists.  You know, making your own soap and beauty creams and that sort
of thing.  Just thinking out loud, here.

Sorry I can't be if more help.


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Re: [Biofuel] Temporarily Taking Down the Mailing List for 24 hours

[Chip Mefford]

Oh
You may continue to submit articles for the list,
they will be held and released to the list once I've tended to the
problem. 

- Original Message -
 From: Chip Mefford c...@well.com
 To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:22:54 PM
 Subject: Temporarily Taking Down the Mailing List for 24 hours
 
 Dear All;
 
 I've got a spam problem that I have to sort out.
 
 In order to do this, I have to shut down the mailman list server for a day
 and let the queue clear out.
 
 I host a few mailing lists, and the amount of traffic they generate is making
 it difficult to parse
 out my mail logs.
 
 The mailing list server and it's related mail server are all cross encrypted
 and secured. Unfortunately,
 I was still using SSLv3 on the web server front end of the mail server, and
 it appears that it
 may have fallen to a vulnerability and at least one of my users credentials
 were compromised.
 
 I've dropped all SSL support, and am now TLS only, I've made changes to those
 suspect accounts
 and now I need to verify that all leaks have been plugged, so I have to let
 things
 cool down for a day.
 
 I'll be bringing the mailing list back up Sunday night, Mar 29 or early Mon,
 Mar 30.
 
 I'm very sorry for having to take this somewhat unilateral action, but the
 reputation of
 the service, once lost, is gone forever. I have to take action.
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Solar breakhrough

[Tom Thiel]

On my way at 6:30
T

On 24 Mar 15, at 6:23, bmolloy wrote:

 
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Re: [Biofuel] Carbon capture by new compound cuts energy cost by half

[Tom]

It's value may be that it will produce pure 
CO2 at low cost. Pure CO2 has industrial applications.
  Rather than sequester an undesirable waste, recover it as a valuable 
commodity.


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Sent: ‎3/‎12/‎2015 12:21 PM
To: Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org 
Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] Carbon capture by new compound cuts energy cost by half

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/carbon-capture-by-new-compound-cuts-energy-cost-by-half-1491601

[images and links in on-line article

My interpretation is that this material is intended to facilitate CO2 
capture, but is not intended to be a permanent means of sequestration. 
So, a step forward, perhaps, but not the complete solution.  Definitely 
requires further study before I get too excited.]

Carbon capture by new compound cuts energy cost by half

 By Jayalakshmi K
 March 12, 2015 11:23 GMT

CO2 release
They can release the CO2 at just 50 C above the temperature at which the 
gas binds compared to the 100 C required in current compounds.

MOFs are composites of metals with organic compounds that form a porous 
structure with tiny, parallel channels to which the CO2 adsorbs.

The amines cause the CO2 to load into the material very quickly at a 
specific temperature and pressure, and then come out quickly when the 
temperature is raised by 50 C.

When the first CO2 starts to adsorb at a very specific pressure, all of 
a sudden it facilitates more CO2 adsorption, and the MOF rapidly 
saturates. That is really a different property from any other CO2 
adsorbent based on amines, says Long.

The diamines bind to the metal atoms of the MOF and then react with CO2 
to form metal-bound ammonium carbamate which lines the interior of the MOF.

At a sufficiently high pressure, one CO2 molecule binding to an amine 
triggers other CO2 molecules to bind like a zipper running down the channel.

Power plants that capture CO2 today use an old technology whereby the 
waste gases are bubbled through organic amines in water, and the carbon 
dioxide binds to amines. This liquid is then heated to 120-150 degrees 
Celsius (250-300 degrees Fahrenheit) to release the gas, after which the 
liquids are reused.

The entire process consumes about 30% of the power generated.

Challenges of CCS
Current atmospheric concentration of CO2 is now 400 parts per million 
(ppm) and the IPCC and other organisations advocate bringing this to 
below 350 ppm before the end of the century to avoid irreversible 
climate change.

Carbon capture and sequestration (CCS) remains a popular form of 
mitigation of excessive carbon emissions into the atmosphere. But the 
technique has its problems.

Carbon sequestration techniques inject carbon dioxide into the 
subsurface some 7,000 feet below the Earth's surface where it can be 
stored in salty aquifers that can chemically react with carbon dioxide 
to solidify the gas eventually.

But a recent MIT study using computer modelling showed that a large part 
of the gas is not converted to rock but remains mobile and can return 
into the atmosphere with dangerous implications.

Globally, around 20 demonstration projects are expected to be set up by 
2020, in various industrial sectors. But to date most CCS projects at 
coal power plants have been scaled back, delayed, or cancelled mostly 
due to high costs.

Transport issues and operational risks, such as seismic tremors have 
also been raised.

One large, coal-fired plant alone generates the equivalent of 3 billion 
barrels of CO2 over an average 60-year lifetime. This would require the 
equivalent of a major oil field to contain. The pressure could cause 
leaks or earthquakes, as shown in the 2010 Stanford and Duke university 
studies.

=

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/carbon-storage-underground-may-not-be-effective-large-part-gas-likely-escape-fatal-consequences-1484354

[image and links in on-line article]

Carbon storage underground may not be effective, large part of gas 
likely to escape with fatal consequences

 By Jayalakshmi K
 January 21, 2015 05:55 GMT

Researchers at MIT have found that carbon sequestration may not be a 
permanent solution to limiting emissions as a large part of the gas is 
not converted to rock but remains mobile and can return into the atmosphere.

While current carbon-sequestration technologies offer a way to eliminate 
up to 90% of carbon dioxide emissions from coal-fired power plants, the 
process is efficient only if the gas is absorbed into rocks in deep Earth.

The team that studied the chemical reactions between carbon dioxide and 
its surroundings once the gas is injected into the Earth found a large 
fraction of the gas stays in a tenuous form.

If it turns into rock, it's stable and will remain there permanently, 
says postdoc Yossi Cohen. However, if it stays in its gaseous or liquid 

Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels Hurting Environment, More Than Helping

[Thomas Kelly]

Can't help but respond.

   The article develops an argument for its conclusion ( title) from
the following statement:
 
“Some organizations have advocated for a bioenergy target of meeting 
20 percent of the world’s total energy demand by the year 2050 


Some organizations   ?
(Kind of like I heard somewhere )

Understand the problem this would present even for the most
enthusiastic supporter of biofuels.
  - In 2008 the world used ~143,851 TWh (~485,715 Quadrillion BTU's)
of energy. By 2012 this increased by ~4% while the population
increased by roughly 5%. Interesting that population increased faster
than energy use.
(Kudos to energy efficiency/conservation).
At the same time, the very energy sources the author favors over 
biofuels
(ex: solar) have increased at a faster rate than the non-renewables 
that

biofuels are intended to replace. Is it fair to assume that this
enthusiasm for energy generated by solar, wind, water will continue?
   If so, it would be silly for any organization to advocate for
biofuels composing 20% of total energy consumption while the very
sources that biofuels can replace (fossil fuels) are making up less
and less of the total energy picture.
   Add to this:  Transportation made up 27.3% (26,740 TWh) of the 
total

world energy consumption in 2008. It is here, in transportation, that
biofuels can have the greatest impact, however, it is in the
transportation segment that the % of energy demand, compared to
the entire energy picture, decreased, though slightly, from 2000.
Dr. Jeffrey Sachs, director of Columbia University's Earth Institute,
proposes, in his book The Age of Sustainable Development (2015),
sustainable solutions to climate change including electric cars 
powered
by sustainable sources such as solar, rather than internal combustion 
vehicles.

Sounds sensible to me.
Note: Global stock of PEV's on the road rose from 100,000 in 2011 to
180,000 in 2012, to 405,000 in 2013. This increase in sales far 
surpasses
overall increases in auto sales in general. U.S. sales of electric 
vehicles

rose by more than 70% from 2013 to 2014.
***The very sector that provides the best opportunity for biofuels is, 
itself,
moving away from the energy dense liquid fuels that biofuels are 
intended to

replace.

To meet a 20 percent biofuels target by 2050, Searchinger writes, 
“humanity would need to at least double the world’s annual harvest of 
plant material in all its forms. Those increases would have to come on 
top of the already large increases needed to meet growing food and 
timber needs. Even assuming large increases in efficiency, the quest 
for bioenergy at a meaningful scale is both unrealistic and 
unsustainable.”


   Does the author think we are morons? (no offense to morons)

   If that 20% seems to come from somewhere, it is a number used
by many municipalities as a goal for % of biofuels used by municipal 
vehicles.

It is part of overall sustainability goals.
   It is also part of the goal of many countries to move toward 
decreased fossil

fuel use in vehicles by increasing biofuel use.
  NOT 20% of overall energy demand

   20% is also the level of BD that many manufacturers approve for 
use in

their vehicles.
   (Manufacturers of gasoline vehicles approve E10 (10% ethanol) and 
flex fuel
vehicles can use E100 although it can be difficult to find E85 (85% 
ethanol/15% gasoline).


  Tom





On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 16:32:27 -0500
 Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com wrote:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1267061-biofuels-hurting-environment-more-than-helping/

[The WRI 'study' that just won't die.  Kind of like the claims that 
the Keystone XL pipeline would create over 40,000 full-time jobs in 
the U.S. (reality bite:  that's actually 35 permanent full-time jobs 
in the U.S. - 2-digit number, no trailing zeroes.)]


Biofuels Hurting Environment, More Than Helping

By Mike Gaworecki

February 28, 2015

A new report from the World Resources Institute finds that dedicating 
land to the production of biofuels, a form of renewable energy made 
from plants, may undermine efforts to achieve a sustainable food 
future, combat climate change, and protect forests.


The global population hit seven billion in 2011 and is expected to 
grow to nine billion in 2050. Feeding all those people without 
chopping down forests for agriculture and livestock will already be a 
difficult task, according to Tim Searchinger, a senior fellow at WRI 
who wrote the report. Dedicating land to the production of bioenergy 
crops will make it much harder.


“The bottom line is, the world only has so much land, and we are 
going to struggle to produce all the additional food we need by 2050 
without cutting down more forests,” Searchinger told mongabay.com. 
“And if you add bioenergy to that it makes it virtually impossible.”


The problem, of course, is that if you dedicate land to growing crops 
like sugarcane, corn, soybeans, or wood 

Re: [Biofuel] Anybody wants the biofuel gear of Journey to Forever?

[Chris Burck]

Midori,

Donating the library to Soil and Health was a great idea.  They are a
wonderful resource.

There is a part of me that wants to take some or all of the processors, if
only for posterity's sake.  But this is unrealistic. It's a near certainty
that I will not make use of them anytime soon.  Hopefully someone can,
though.


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Re: [Biofuel] Anybody wants the biofuel gear of Journey to Forever?

[Keith Addison]

Dear biofuel friends,

This is Midori. Sorry for not having followed up this issue. I've 
received a few respondents to this message on- and off- list, but I have 
not decided to whom I'd like to send the processors.


More people showed interest in Keith's library - sorry if there was 
misunderstanding, but even before I posted the message, I had decided to 
donate the library to an organization, who had been old collaborative 
with Keith and is ditigalizing important books.

Soil And Health Library
http://www.soilandhealth.org/

So what concerned are: JTF biodiesel processors (90L, 15L, and 
mini-processors), and the ethanol still.
I want to donate them to somebody or an organization who really value 
them and make good use of them.
It may sound emotional, but I'd rather destroy them rather than giving 
them to might as well take them persons. They are made from scratch by 
Keith, and worked on again and again by Keith - hope you understand.


The uncertainty is also an issue - I cannot guarantee the condition of 
the processors and the still because of the reason below; I cannot find 
the transport cost beforehand either. I need somebody who can share the 
risk and the cost with me.


Time is running out. I'm going to Cork, Ireland, to sort Keith's 
possession in the first week of March. We need to sort everything in one 
week, and chuck everything else by 8th March.


I really hope Keith's works be useful to somebody rather than wasted, 
but the situation is like this.
If you really care about the processors and the still, please email me 
at i...@journeytoforever.org as soon as possible.


Many thanks,

Midori

On 2014/12/16 21:40, Keith Addison wrote:
Dear biofuel friends, This is Midori, Japanese partner of Keith 
Addison. I'm looking for somebody who wants to have the biofuel gear 
of Journey to Forever, made by Keith. Because of many complications, 
they are still packed in a warehouse in Oxford, UK, together with 
Keith's 300+ books and other personal possessions. I really hate to 
dump them, but as a poor PhD student living in a small flat, I cannot 
keep them. So I hope somebody on the list to accept them and make good 
use of them. The gear should include the disassembled JTF biodiesel 
processors (90L, 15L, and mini-processors), and the ethanol still. 
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html 
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html 
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor7.html They are 
disassembled, and might be missing tanks or some parts. I cannot 
guarantee because I didn't see how they were packed when Keith shipped 
them out before he died. Still, there should be enough to help you 
easily start biofuel project. We need the recipient to bear the 
expense of transfer and related cost. Some additional donation for the 
gear is also appreciated too because there's been lots of difficulty 
to retrieve Keith's possessions. I and Keith's close friends have been 
bearing the cost and trouble because we care of Keith and hate to 
waste his efforts. We plan to retrieve them from the wharehouse first, 
and sort them out (maybe in Cork, Ireland), then will ship the biofuel 
gear to those who want them. (IF somebody near Oxford UK could provide 
a storage place for about 70 boxes/220Cuft of goods including the JTF 
biofuel gear and Keith's library until March 2015 and help me sort 
them out, that would be really appreciated too - but I suppose I'm 
asking too much so don't worry about this bit). Please email me at 
i...@journeytoforever.org (specify to Midori in the title) if you 
are interested. I really appreciate for your support and contribution 
for Keith over these years. Thank you so much. I hope we all remember 
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Re: [Biofuel] Pittsburgh to Run City Trucks on Biodiesel | Domestic Fuel

[Zeke Yewdall]

Sounds like they are installing a dual tank system to allow starting on
diesel then switching to biodiesel later to prevent jelling issues.   If it
were just running on biodiesel in weather above 30F or so, my typical
proceedure is just to have a few spare fuel filters handy. usually
somewhere in the $10 to $50 each range, not $7500

Z

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com
wrote:

 http://domesticfuel.com/2015/02/19/pittsburgh-to-run-city-
 trucks-on-biodiesel/

 [So, what do you need to do to a diesel truck to run it on biodiesel which
 costs $7,500 per truck?  And how much green fuel do you have to burn to
 save more than $7,500 per truck, so it will actually save the city money,
 when petro-diesel is selling for less than $3 a gallon? This site (
 http://www.altfuelprices.com/stations/BD/Pennsylvania/Pittsburgh/) says
 this station (http://www.bbapgh.com/) is selling biodiesel at $5.29 a
 gallon.  I guess that depends on how much the state alt fuel grants are
 paying.]

 Pittsburgh to Run City Trucks on Biodiesel

 Posted on February 19, 2015 by John Davis

 The City of Pittsburgh soon could be running some of its trucks on
 biodiesel. This article from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette says a proposal is
 before the city council to enter into a $150,000 agreement with Optimus
 Technologies to convert about 20 Department of Public Works trucks to run
 on the green fuel, which will reduce emissions and save the city money.

 Grant Ervin, the city’s sustainability manager, said Optimus’ Vector fuel
 system was tested on five municipal trucks in a pilot program that started
 in 2013. The goal is to add it to other city vehicles as an analysis of the
 city’s fleet needs continues.

 “That’s what really exciting about it,” Mr. Ervin said, adding that part
 of the cost of the program will be covered by state alternative fuel
 grants. “For us, it’s a tool we can extend to other vehicles. … What the
 Optimus technology does is basically create hybrid vehicles.”

 In cold weather, when biofuel can be plagued by “gelling,” the trucks can
 be started on conventional diesel fuel and switched to biofuel when it
 warms up, said Optimus CEO Colin Huwyler.

 The biodiesel that could be used would be made from recycled cooking oil,
 non food-grade corn oil from the ethanol industry and rendered animal fat.
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Re: [Biofuel] Pittsburgh to Run City Trucks on Biodiesel | Domestic Fuel

[Thomas Kelly]

Yeah, yeah.
Maybe material incompatibility issues as well:
 - replace rubber fuel lines  seals
 - heated fuel tank for BD

   Some of the disasters blamed on BD really
were the result of one of its virtues: good solvent;
cleaned out residue from tanks and fuel lines 
clogged filters.

   The BD I used in the diesel that I ran year round
was treated with winterized petro diesel, 30-40%
petro when it got below 30F. That, and a block heater
and it ran in cold weather.

I like the feedstock, all co-products, wastes of other industries.
   - USED veg oil
   - oil from ethanol industry (fermentation does not
 involve the oil; can be pressed out prior to fermentation and 
used).

   - rendered animal fat; but will have a high gel point
  Tom

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:24:08 -0700
 Zeke Yewdall zyewd...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like they are installing a dual tank system to allow starting 
on
diesel then switching to biodiesel later to prevent jelling issues. 
 If it
were just running on biodiesel in weather above 30F or so, my 
typical
proceedure is just to have a few spare fuel filters handy. 
usually

somewhere in the $10 to $50 each range, not $7500

Z

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Darryl McMahon 
dar...@econogics.com

wrote:


http://domesticfuel.com/2015/02/19/pittsburgh-to-run-city-
trucks-on-biodiesel/

[So, what do you need to do to a diesel truck to run it on biodiesel 
which
costs $7,500 per truck?  And how much green fuel do you have to burn 
to
save more than $7,500 per truck, so it will actually save the city 
money,

when petro-diesel is selling for less than $3 a gallon? This site (
http://www.altfuelprices.com/stations/BD/Pennsylvania/Pittsburgh/) 
says
this station (http://www.bbapgh.com/) is selling biodiesel at $5.29 
a
gallon.  I guess that depends on how much the state alt fuel grants 
are

paying.]

Pittsburgh to Run City Trucks on Biodiesel

Posted on February 19, 2015 by John Davis

The City of Pittsburgh soon could be running some of its trucks on
biodiesel. This article from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette says a 
proposal is
before the city council to enter into a $150,000 agreement with 
Optimus
Technologies to convert about 20 Department of Public Works trucks 
to run
on the green fuel, which will reduce emissions and save the city 
money.


Grant Ervin, the city’s sustainability manager, said Optimus’ Vector 
fuel
system was tested on five municipal trucks in a pilot program that 
started
in 2013. The goal is to add it to other city vehicles as an analysis 
of the

city’s fleet needs continues.

“That’s what really exciting about it,” Mr. Ervin said, adding that 
part

of the cost of the program will be covered by state alternative fuel
grants. “For us, it’s a tool we can extend to other vehicles. … What 
the

Optimus technology does is basically create hybrid vehicles.”

In cold weather, when biofuel can be plagued by “gelling,” the 
trucks can
be started on conventional diesel fuel and switched to biofuel when 
it

warms up, said Optimus CEO Colin Huwyler.

The biodiesel that could be used would be made from recycled cooking 
oil,
non food-grade corn oil from the ethanol industry and rendered 
animal fat.

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Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

[Chris Burck]

P.S. -- Sorry folks, I didn't see what auto correct was doing.  That's
supposed to be *shingles*, not singles. . . .

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Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

[Chris Burck]

Yes, I realize solar singles have been around for a while.  Almost a decade
now.  But until only pretty recently, they were quite expensive in
comparison to conventional PV panels.

Using coal as a cost benchmark is capricious and arbitrary.  When paying
our coal-generated electricity bill, is the cost of our roof included in
there somewhere?  The only real questions to be answered are:

--What is the current efficiency of these alternative material singles?

--How much less expensive (if at all) than normal PV singles are they at
this time?


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Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

[Zeke Yewdall]

The whole cost effective test is quite odd.  Why is that always the
measure of whether solar is worth doing?   No one ever asks this about
other things.  Is having a child cost effective?  How about going to a
concert?  Even for other buying decisions it is rarely asked.  Is a
dishwasher cost effective?  How about going out for a nice dinner out
instead of buying some gmo prepackaged microwave dinner?  Quality of life
is what many decisions are based on and solar should be the same.  Is it
worth having a livable planet.



On Sunday, February 15, 2015, Chris Burck chris.bu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, I realize solar singles have been around for a while.  Almost a decade
 now.  But until only pretty recently, they were quite expensive in
 comparison to conventional PV panels.

 Using coal as a cost benchmark is capricious and arbitrary.  When paying
 our coal-generated electricity bill, is the cost of our roof included in
 there somewhere?  The only real questions to be answered are:

 --What is the current efficiency of these alternative material singles?

 --How much less expensive (if at all) than normal PV singles are they at
 this time?


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Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

[Thomas Kelly]

   Interesting weave developing to the term being competitive w.
coal.
First: a ridiculous benchmark ... causing artificial inertia.
Then: using coal as a benchmark being arbitrary and capricious
Then: the notion that cost effectiveness is only applied to solar.

1.  If the inertia initially referred to is to be strapped to
consumers, I don't think it is artificial. It is a simple question
of affordability. News of a potential cost decrease is welcome.
   If the inertia refers to hesitance on the part of developers, my
point was that the desire to achieve affordability was the driving
force behind recent developments in the technology.

2.  Arbitrary and capricious: simply put, the absence of a rational
connection between the facts found and the choice made.
   Comparing the cost of a new roof having a 20+ year lifespan that
provides one's electricity during that time to the cost of a similar 
roof w.
the expected cost of electricity supplied by coal for the next 20 
years

doesn't seem to be arbitrary and capricious.
   How do we know if we can afford something over the long term w/o a 
basis

for comparison?

3.  Cost effectiveness only being applied to solar: There was
discussion this past summer (see Regina Restaurateur (sp) energized 
by old veggie oil

Biofuel archives June 24- 25, 2014) between Darryl and myself re: the
consideration of payback period.

   {excerpt} I have a problem with the term payback period.
  We don't ask about payback period when we go on
  vacation, or buy a car with all the options. Does
  the gardener really calculate the payback period 
for
  the time and cost of planting and tending the 
garden?

  Why would anyone plant flower beds?
My experience is that payback period is often 
used an

 excuse for inaction. Blessings to those who read,
 listen and learn, calculate feasibility and then act 
with
 the understanding that sustainability is the goal 
and joy

 is part of the payoff.

   On purely practical matters most of us do basic calculations re: 
cost

effectiveness/payback periods, etc. What will it cost compared to what
we currently pay.
Ex:
   Many of us, while managing $100/mo electric bills; even going 
$110/mo
in order to have electricity from renewable sources, may not be able 
to
fork over $25,000 for a solar setup. (This, with tax incentives 
included).

Anything that reduces cost compared to what we currently pay tips the
scale.

Alternative I'm considering:
20 year lease; free installation and maintenance; monthly cost 
the

same or less than my current monthly electric bill.

Back to my original interest and comments:
  Given a new roof (this past fall) and possibility of 20 year lease
on a pv solar setup, the availability of solar roof shingles made from 
common,
available elements at lower cost 20 years down the road is 
provocative;
could be my next roofing material just in time for lease expiration 
and for new

shingles.

   Best to You,
  Tom




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 Zeke Yewdall zyewd...@gmail.com wrote:

The whole cost effective test is quite odd.  Why is that always the
measure of whether solar is worth doing?   No one ever asks this 
about
other things.  Is having a child cost effective?  How about going 
to a

concert?  Even for other buying decisions it is rarely asked.  Is a
dishwasher cost effective?  How about going out for a nice dinner 
out
instead of buying some gmo prepackaged microwave dinner?  Quality of 
life
is what many decisions are based on and solar should be the same. Is 
it

worth having a livable planet.



On Sunday, February 15, 2015, Chris Burck chris.bu...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Yes, I realize solar singles have been around for a while.  Almost a 
decade

now.  But until only pretty recently, they were quite expensive in
comparison to conventional PV panels.

Using coal as a cost benchmark is capricious and arbitrary.  When 
paying
our coal-generated electricity bill, is the cost of our roof included 
in

there somewhere?  The only real questions to be answered are:

--What is the current efficiency of these alternative material 
singles?


--How much less expensive (if at all) than normal PV singles are 
they at

this time?


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Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

[Tom]

Nice.
Cost competitive with coal-fired power plants within 2 decades..
Just had my roof done, but will be ready to re-shingle by then.
   See Darryl, I'm not so impatient.

   With the new roof, I'm interested in pv
panels. What is the functional life span?
I assume it will get me to my next roof made of solar shingles;  20-25 years.
  Tom

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Subject: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals 
Offer Cheaper Energy Option

http://e360.yale.edu/digest/solar_shingles_made_from__common_metals_offer_cheaper_energy_option/3600/

e360 digest

22 Aug 2012:
Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

U.S. scientists say that emerging photovoltaic technologies will enable 
the production of solar shingles made from abundantly available elements 
rather than rare-earth metals, an innovation that would make solar 
energy cheaper and more sustainable. Speaking at the annual meeting of 
the American Chemical Society, a team of researchers described advances 
in solar cells made with abundant metals, such as copper and zinc. While 
the market already offers solar shingles that convert the sun’s energy 
into electricity, producers typically must use elements that are scarce 
and expensive, such as indium and gallium. According to Harry A. 
Atwater, a physicist at the California Institute of Technology, recent 
tests suggest that materials like zinc phosphide and copper oxide could 
be capable of producing electricity at prices competitive with 
coal-fired power plants within two decades. With China accounting for 
more than 90 percent of the world’s rare-earth supplies — and prices 
rising sharply — companies and nations are racing to find new sources of 
rare earth minerals, which are used in everything from solar panels to 
smart phones.
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Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

[Darryl McMahon]

Tom, in this age, I think impatience is a virtue.  I think it is what 
drives the improvements we need.


I have been waiting for BIPV (building integrated photovoltaics - like 
solar shingles) to go mainstream for at least a decade.  In the 
meantime, conventional PV panels have accumulated, electric vehicles 
have taken up residence in the driveway, yard and lake, solar heating 
for the house and domestic hot water, super insulation in the attic and 
one exterior wall ...  That has all been driven by seeing a better 
future and impatience to get there.


New shingles here 4 years ago, so if they are available in 20, I will 
also be looking at them.


Darryl

On 14/02/2015 10:17 AM, Tom wrote:

Nice.
Cost competitive with coal-fired power plants within 2 decades..
Just had my roof done, but will be ready to re-shingle by then.
See Darryl, I'm not so impatient.

With the new roof, I'm interested in pv
panels. What is the functional life span?
I assume it will get me to my next roof made of solar shingles;  20-25 years.
   Tom

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To: Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org 
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Subject: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals 
Offer Cheaper Energy Option

http://e360.yale.edu/digest/solar_shingles_made_from__common_metals_offer_cheaper_energy_option/3600/

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22 Aug 2012:
Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

U.S. scientists say that emerging photovoltaic technologies will enable
the production of solar shingles made from abundantly available elements
rather than rare-earth metals, an innovation that would make solar
energy cheaper and more sustainable. Speaking at the annual meeting of
the American Chemical Society, a team of researchers described advances
in solar cells made with abundant metals, such as copper and zinc. While
the market already offers solar shingles that convert the sun’s energy
into electricity, producers typically must use elements that are scarce
and expensive, such as indium and gallium. According to Harry A.
Atwater, a physicist at the California Institute of Technology, recent
tests suggest that materials like zinc phosphide and copper oxide could
be capable of producing electricity at prices competitive with
coal-fired power plants within two decades. With China accounting for
more than 90 percent of the world’s rare-earth supplies — and prices
rising sharply — companies and nations are racing to find new sources of
rare earth minerals, which are used in everything from solar panels to
smart phones.
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Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

[Chris Burck]

All well and good.  Of course, we need them now, and would have them by now
if this ridiculous benchmark of being competitive with coal weren't
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Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

[Thomas Kelly]

Solar shingles have been available for years; Dow's Powerhouse line
since about 2005.
   see  Article in Scientific America 2013:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/im-getting-my-roof-redone-and-heard-about-solar-shingles/

   The first solar shingles were often more difficult to install than 
pv panels = high

cost of installation.
   The benchmark of being competitive w. coal may well be the 
driving force behind
improvements that have lead to significant reduction in price vs 
anchor holding it back.

 - thin film pv allowed for fast, easy installation (lower cost)
 - shingles made of elements more common than the indium and 
gallium used in the current
   copper, indium, gallium, selenide pv film would further lower 
cost


   Combine lowered cost w. tax incentives to install = a good thing 
for us common folk


   Tesla announced that it will make its batteries available for home 
energy use.
Someone (Darryl?) will this also be good for residential pv 
installation?


Tom





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All well and good.  Of course, we need them now, and would have them 
by now

if this ridiculous benchmark of being competitive with coal weren't
causing artificial inertia.

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Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

[Darryl McMahon]

The devil is in the details, but I expect the Tesla house-battery will 
be excellent for PV storage and micro-cogeneration.  Most off-grid 
houses (in my limited experience) seem to have about 10 to 20 kWh of 
storage.  The smallest Tesla car pack so far is 65 kWh.  Assuming the 
house-batteries are based on returned car packs which no longer make the 
grade for vehicle use (below 85% of original capacity), that's still 55 
kWh - a big step up in capacity.  That gives the house-owner the option 
of aiming for 60-70% of full as a target, and room to store more when 
generation is bountiful, and still have more capacity for non-generation 
reserve than before.


I remember the ad for Dow's Powerhouse shingles in HomePower magazine 
way back, but could not find a Canadian distributor - that was probably 
around 2006 or 2007.  Grid connection was difficult to impossible at 
that time anyway.  Put that money into solar heating and insulation instead.


Darryl

On 14/02/2015 4:33 PM, Thomas Kelly wrote:

Solar shingles have been available for years; Dow's Powerhouse line
since about 2005.
see  Article in Scientific America 2013:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/im-getting-my-roof-redone-and-heard-about-solar-shingles/


The first solar shingles were often more difficult to install than
pv panels = high
cost of installation.
The benchmark of being competitive w. coal may well be the driving
force behind
improvements that have lead to significant reduction in price vs anchor
holding it back.
  - thin film pv allowed for fast, easy installation (lower cost)
  - shingles made of elements more common than the indium and
gallium used in the current
copper, indium, gallium, selenide pv film would further lower cost

Combine lowered cost w. tax incentives to install = a good thing for
us common folk

Tesla announced that it will make its batteries available for home
energy use.
Someone (Darryl?) will this also be good for residential pv installation?

 Tom





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All well and good.  Of course, we need them now, and would have them
by now
if this ridiculous benchmark of being competitive with coal weren't
causing artificial inertia.

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Re: [Biofuel] Once-golden biofuels market flattened by cheap diesel :: WRAL.com

[Thomas Kelly]

From my little part of the world:
   There was a time when I got phone calls from restaurants asking me
to take their used veg oil. In fact, before I went from test batches 
to
large batches, I did try-outs for the veg oil I would accept. There 
was

a time when I ran two diesel cars on homebrewed BD and heated my
house + domestic hot water.

   Then it happened. Veg oil became valuable. The price paid for it 
was based

on the price that could be gotten for the biodiesel made from it
When diesel was above $4 (US) per gallon, used veg oil went for $1
or more per gallon. Contracts were signed, oil poachers were 
arrested.
My sources for veg oil dried up; I had to sell the 2 old Mercedes 
diesels

and go to wood for heat.
   Fortunately I had set up a strategic oil reserveback when used 
veg oil
was available for the taking ; 400+ gallons of de-watered, clean, high 
quality
veg oil. I use home brewed BD in my oil-fired boiler to supplement 
wood heat.
I was amazed to find that a barrel of veg oil from 2008 still made 
excellent BD

6 years later in 2014.
   Now with diesel back down to $3 or less per gallon, paying $1 per 
gallon of
feedstock is not profitable. I imagine that the same is true for 
production from

unused veg oil.
Tom


On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 16:08:48 -0500
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http://www.wral.com/once-golden-biofuels-market-flattened-by-cheap-diesel/14437851/

[Seems like a good opportunity for a greenhouse gas emissions tax. 
Personally, I favour one implemented at the start of the product 
change - aka big emitters, and imbed it in the production price 
rather than trying to tack a tax on willy-nilly at the retail level. 
Least paper-work, best tying of the cost to the issue.]


Once-golden biofuels market flattened by cheap diesel

Posted 3:01 a.m. today

By CHRIS FLEISHER, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

PITTSBURGH — Last fall, Ed Vescovi planned to restart a dormant 
biodiesel plant in Beaver County.


The market for biofuel was shaky. But a new owner, Weavertown 
Environmental, pledged to get the plant going after purchasing it in 
2013. Vescovi was hoping to begin production before the end of last 
year.


Then, oil prices plummeted, pushing down the price of regular 
diesel.


You wouldn't get anybody to really buy (biodiesel) if you're still 
selling it for $4 a gallon, said Ed Vescovi, who Weavertown hired to 
run the plant. You can buy diesel fuel for $3 a gallon. How do you 
compete?


Weavertown put the project on hold rather than suffer along with 
other producers who have seen their profits plummet in a challenging 
environment for biofuels, the petroleum alternatives made from corn, 
soybean oil and other crops.


Cheap oil has squeezed the industry's profits even as it encounters 
larger questions about its impact on food prices and environmental 
benefits. Government mandates have supported its growth — production 
of biodiesel has increased from 112 million gallons in 2005 to 1.8 
billion in 2013 — but inexpensive oil could increase pressure to 
reduce mandates.


Those mandates have been questioned amid criticism that biofuels 
drive up food prices. Besides being a common side-dish for many 
Americans' meals, corn is used as a sweetener in packaged foods and 
beverages and as feed grain for livestock. And competition from 
ethanol producers forces prices up when growers can't keep up with 
demand.


Ethanol demand

Corn-based ethanol is a more widely used alternative fuel than 
biodiesel, which is made from recycled vegetable oil and animal fat, 
and is coming off of a record year for production.


Ethanol makers enjoyed fattened margins amid low corn prices, but 
they are feeling pinched now.


Prices have come down sharply, said Robert Wisner, a biofuels 
economist at Iowa State University. The trend has been down along 
with gasoline and crude oil.


Wholesale prices for ethanol have fallen 37 percent since July, to 
$1.31 in January, Wisner said.


Government mandates for production have propped up the industry. But 
some environmental groups have called for abolishing those supports 
amid concerns about the effects on the nation's food supply.


Last month, a prominent environmental think tank called on Western 
governments to reconsider their support for biofuels. In the United 
States, refiners are required to blend biofuels with gasoline and 
diesel fuel to help reduce the nation's reliance on imported oil and 
to address environmental pollution concerns because biofuels are 
believed to be cleaner sources of energy.


Turning corn and other crops into energy is inefficient and takes up 
land that could be better used to produce food, according to the 
Washington-based World Resources Institute. The push for ethanol 
production has driven up global food prices without lowering carbon 
emissions, the report said. The Institute said that the quest for 
bioenergy at a meaningful scale is both unrealistic and 

Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

[Zeke Yewdall]

The dow shingles have fairly limited distribution from what can tell.  They
are only selling them to roofers here in Colorado, not to solar installers
-- so despite having all of the various solar certifications, I cannot sell
them.  Definitely not selling them retail to DIY folks.  Needless to say,
I'm not a big fan of them.  I wonder how the roofers are fairing with
dealing with all of the various electrical design issues that are still 75%
of the install.  I haven't seen them going in, even on new developments
that have PV on all of the houses, so I suspect there's still some
disconnect there.

On the battery size issue... you are correct that most off grid houses are
a bit smaller battery bank than Tesla is working with, however, most grid
tied houses use an enormous amount of power compared to off grid houses.
Around 65kWh is probably more what you'd need to take an average house off
grid.  The average useage of a grid connected house here in Colorado is
750kWh per month, so 65kWh is under 2 days of storage.

Z


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wrote:

 The devil is in the details, but I expect the Tesla house-battery will be
 excellent for PV storage and micro-cogeneration.  Most off-grid houses (in
 my limited experience) seem to have about 10 to 20 kWh of storage.  The
 smallest Tesla car pack so far is 65 kWh.  Assuming the house-batteries are
 based on returned car packs which no longer make the grade for vehicle use
 (below 85% of original capacity), that's still 55 kWh - a big step up in
 capacity.  That gives the house-owner the option of aiming for 60-70% of
 full as a target, and room to store more when generation is bountiful, and
 still have more capacity for non-generation reserve than before.

 I remember the ad for Dow's Powerhouse shingles in HomePower magazine way
 back, but could not find a Canadian distributor - that was probably around
 2006 or 2007.  Grid connection was difficult to impossible at that time
 anyway.  Put that money into solar heating and insulation instead.

 Darryl


 On 14/02/2015 4:33 PM, Thomas Kelly wrote:

 Solar shingles have been available for years; Dow's Powerhouse line
 since about 2005.
 see  Article in Scientific America 2013:
 http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/im-getting-my-
 roof-redone-and-heard-about-solar-shingles/


 The first solar shingles were often more difficult to install than
 pv panels = high
 cost of installation.
 The benchmark of being competitive w. coal may well be the driving
 force behind
 improvements that have lead to significant reduction in price vs anchor
 holding it back.
   - thin film pv allowed for fast, easy installation (lower cost)
   - shingles made of elements more common than the indium and
 gallium used in the current
 copper, indium, gallium, selenide pv film would further lower cost

 Combine lowered cost w. tax incentives to install = a good thing for
 us common folk

 Tesla announced that it will make its batteries available for home
 energy use.
 Someone (Darryl?) will this also be good for residential pv installation?

  Tom





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 All well and good.  Of course, we need them now, and would have them
 by now
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Re: [Biofuel] Carbon Capture and Storage Technology Won't Stop Climate Change | The New Republic

[Zeke Yewdall]

$17/ton seems like a very low amount.  Just doing some back of the envelope
calculations for PV shows around $50/ton (if it costs $0.05/kWh more than
coal generated power, saving 2lbs/kWh.

I sill think ccs faces other massive problems, but if it only costs 1.7
cents/kWh, why all the whining about cost?


Z

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wrote:

 http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121023/carbon-capture-
 and-storage-technology-wont-stop-climate-change

 [links in on-line article]

 Clean Coal Is a Pipe Dream. There's Only One Way to Stop Global Warming.

 February 10, 2015

 By Rebecca Leber

 No matter what kind of action the U.S. or rest of the world takes on
 climate change, we’ll continue to burn coal for decades. And we face more
 than 2 degrees Celsius of warming (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit), and the risk of
 unstoppable sea level rise, unless 80 percent of the world's coal reserves
 remain in the ground. One of the ideas for mitigating climate change, then,
 is removing carbon pollution from the air and burying it deep underground.
 It’s called carbon capture and storage (CCS), and the technology still has
 a long way to go before it's feasible. CarbFix, a $10 million project in
 Iceland, is working on a solution to one of the major challenges of this
 approach: How to make sure the carbon stays in the ground.

 According to a New York Times article Tuesday, CarbFix injects the gas
 into water (25 tons of liquid per ton of gas) and pumps it into basalt, a
 reactive rock that makes up 90 percent of Iceland's underground. Using
 basalt speeds up a natural chemical reaction, which turns the carbon into a
 harmless solid—a rock. But under natural circumstances, the process can
 take centuries. Before that can happen, carbon would bubble up to the
 surface, and leak into the atmosphere. CarbFix, though, is studying how to
 speed up this process so it occurs in a matter of years. What's unique
 about CarbFix's process is how it combines the gas with water, an extra
 step that makes storage both more effective and more expensive. Other forms
 of carbon storage condense carbon into a liquid-type substance without
 water, leaving it more likely to escape to the surface.

 Proponents of the technology say that just like scrubbers clean coal to
 lower sulfur and nitrogen emissions from power plants, carbon capture can
 cut down on carbon emissions.

 But even if CCS science develops, it likely won’t reach the kind of
 scale—billions of tons of stored carbon—that's necessary to fight climate
 change. The technology faces two major obstacles: Economic cost and
 political indifference. It is extraordinarily expensive to capture and
 store carbon. It not only requires power plants to install equipment for
 capturing and transporting the carbon, but also necessitates huge water
 reserves. Coal companies have no incentive to invest in the technology on
 their own, when it’s inexpensive to let carbon escape into the air. That’s
 why there are only a handful of large projects around the world. The Times
 says CarbFix's method costs $17 per ton of carbon dioxide, which is about
 twice the cost of transporting and injecting the gas alone.

 Of course, regulation and the right policies can compel companies to do
 this, too. For example, an aggressive tax on carbon—essentially fining
 companies for polluting—would help to make CCS more appealing. The Obama
 administration’s proposed regulations on power plants also require future
 plants to invest in CCS technology to capture between 30 and 50 percent of
 their carbon emissions.

 But investing in renewables and energy efficiency makes more sense than
 mandating an unproven technology that doesn't solve long-term warming.
 According to a report Tuesday from the National Research Council and
 National Academy of Sciences, most carbon dioxide removal strategies have
 limited technical capacity, and absent some unforeseen technological
 innovation, large-scale deployment would cost as much or more than
 replacing fossil fuels with low carbon-emission energy sources. When it
 comes to mitigating climate change, the report said, There is no
 substitute for dramatic reductions in greenhouse gas emissions.
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Re: [Biofuel] Research calls into question biofuel usage - The Michigan Daily

[Thomas Kelly]

Consequently, there has been no increase in the removal of carbon dioxide from 
the atmosphere as a result of increased biofuel production because the fields 
were already being used to grow food.


   The importance of biofuels is not that they increase removal of 
carbon dioxide
from the atmosphere. Their importance is that they do not increase the 
carbon

dioxide levels in the atmosphere as fossil fuels do.

   The problem: Burning fossil fuels release carbon that had been 
sequestered in the
ground for tens of millions of years. This carbon is not part of the 
current carbon cycle

and therefore adds to the carbon in the atmosphere.
   Biofuels are composed of carbons recently fixed into organic 
compounds by the
photosynthetic activity. They do not introduce carbon from ancient 
times into the
atmosphere. Burning biofuels result in no net gain in atmospheric 
carbon.


 Tom




On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:21:35 -0400
 Thomas Kelly ontheh...@fairpoint.net wrote:

  Hmmm
  “The computer-analysis methods forget to check what land is doing
before it is used to grow soybeans for biofuels,” he said. “They 
think that the land is completely barren. That’s a very big mistake.”


Consequently, there has been no increase in the removal of carbon 
dioxide from the atmosphere as a result of increased biofuel 
production because the fields were already being used to grow food.


   One would hope that the fields used to grow soybeans for 
biofuels

are simultaneously growing crops for food.
   Oils pressed from soy beans for biodiesel production leaves 
behind

the proteins and carbohydrates that make for excellent animal feed,
which is what soy should probably be grown for anyway. Pig farmers
feed soy to their pigs because its protein is high in the amino acid 
lysine.
In fact, the removal of the oil may make for better feed in that soy 
oil

has a poor balance of omega 3:omega 6 fatty acids. Animals fed soy
should also be grazing.
   The use of soy oil in human diets should be replaced by olive,
canola or some other veg oil with higher omega 3 fatty acids.
   My point: Much of the carbon captured by plants growing in a 
field
used to produce soy oil for biodiesel production still enters the 
food

chain as food.

Tom


On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:33:57 -0500
 Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com wrote:

http://www.michigandaily.com/news/research-questions-effectiveness-biofuel

[links in on-line article]

Research calls into question biofuel usage

By Samiha Matin, For the Daily

Published February 9, 2015

Though expanding biofuel production is often lauded as a key 
strategy for decreasing carbon emissions, a University-based analysis 
found that the benefits might not be so extensive.


John DeCicco, a research professor at the University’s Energy 
Institute, reviewed existing studies that evaluated the effectiveness 
of biofuel as an alternative energy source. He discovered that the 
variety of computer models used does not accurately represent the 
amount of carbon dioxide absorbed from the atmosphere when biofuels 
are produced.


Though biofuel, an energy source composed from organic or food waste 
products, has generally been deemed a leading eco-friendly option for 
reducing gasoline consumption, DeCicco said many of the studies are 
misleading.


“The government has sponsored computer models which have made a very 
basic accounting mistake,” he said. “Particularly, they count carbon 
dioxide uptake as it happens. They completely offset the carbon 
dioxide admitted when the biofuel is burned.”


In recent years, scientists and researchers have debated the 
advantages and disadvantages of biofuel compared to petroleum 
production.


DeCicco, however, said his work takes a step back to research 
fundamental mistakes made when measuring carbon dioxide uptake 
throughout the decades. His research argues against the assumption 
that biofuels decrease net carbon dioxide emissions.


Using a field of soybeans as an example, DeCicco talked about how 
these models fail to recognize that lands are constantly being used 
for production. Fields previously used to grow food are now providing 
for biofuel production.


“The computer-analysis methods forget to check what land is doing 
before it is used to grow soybeans for biofuels,” he said. “They 
think that the land is completely barren. That’s a very big mistake.”


Consequently, there has been no increase in the removal of carbon 
dioxide from the atmosphere as a result of increased biofuel 
production because the fields were already being used to grow food.


The research paper also highlights the use of carbon footprint 
models and their incorrect calculations that carbon dioxide emissions 
are lower with biodiesel than petroleum. The results are inconsistent 
with the realities of the carbon cycle, causing carbon footprint 
calculators to incorrectly estimate carbon dioxide uptake by crops 
like soybeans.


However, 

Re: [Biofuel] Research calls into question biofuel usage - The Michigan Daily

[Darryl McMahon]

Hi Tom,

isn't spin fun?  The WRI 'study' blurs biodiesel and ethanol with solar 
photovoltaics and wind turbines as though they are completely 
interchangeable, but cannot be accommodated in a shared land use 
arrangement.  This completely distorts the real discussion where 
biodiesel and ethanol are intended primarily as transportation fuels 
displacing petro-diesel and gasoline use (mostly because of the 
predominant drive trains in use today), and where PV and wind power are 
primarily displacing coal and natural gas for electricity generation.


This piece confuses the function of biofuels as a 'zero-net-carbon' fuel 
to displace fossil carbon fuels with the idea of long-term carbon 
capture, and blames the solution for not solving the problem it was 
never intended to address.  But the meme of 'biofuels don't reduce 
greenhouse gases' lingers, even after we try to straighten the thing 
out.  This is the role of corporate mass media and its allies (funded, 
'scientific' disinformation).


It is disheartening some days to have to keep going back to 'square 1' 
fact-checking and calling out the disingenous.  It is also 
time-consuming, and in my case, unpaid.  In my 'real' world, that means 
it sometimes loses out to doing things for which I get paid (my 
creditors seem to prefer it this way).


One reason I post the URL for on-line articles is so others can also 
comment on them on-line, in hopes of un-skewing the messages being 
delivered.


I'm facing a related issue in the world of charging electric vehicles, 
and that is getting the bulk of my 'spare time' in the area of 
responding to bad assumptions and attempts to steer discussions to 
'solutions' aligned with specific agendas.


Darryl


On 11/02/2015 12:05 PM, Thomas Kelly wrote:
Consequently, there has been no increase in the removal of carbon 
dioxide from the atmosphere as a result of increased biofuel 
production because the fields were already being used to grow food.


   The importance of biofuels is not that they increase removal of 
carbon dioxide
from the atmosphere. Their importance is that they do not increase the 
carbon

dioxide levels in the atmosphere as fossil fuels do.

   The problem: Burning fossil fuels release carbon that had been 
sequestered in the
ground for tens of millions of years. This carbon is not part of the 
current carbon cycle

and therefore adds to the carbon in the atmosphere.
   Biofuels are composed of carbons recently fixed into organic 
compounds by the
photosynthetic activity. They do not introduce carbon from ancient 
times into the

atmosphere. Burning biofuels result in no net gain in atmospheric carbon.

 Tom




On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:21:35 -0400
 Thomas Kelly ontheh...@fairpoint.net wrote:

  Hmmm
  “The computer-analysis methods forget to check what land is doing
before it is used to grow soybeans for biofuels,” he said. “They 
think that the land is completely barren. That’s a very big mistake.”


Consequently, there has been no increase in the removal of carbon 
dioxide from the atmosphere as a result of increased biofuel 
production because the fields were already being used to grow food.


   One would hope that the fields used to grow soybeans for biofuels
are simultaneously growing crops for food.
   Oils pressed from soy beans for biodiesel production leaves behind
the proteins and carbohydrates that make for excellent animal feed,
which is what soy should probably be grown for anyway. Pig farmers
feed soy to their pigs because its protein is high in the amino acid 
lysine.

In fact, the removal of the oil may make for better feed in that soy oil
has a poor balance of omega 3:omega 6 fatty acids. Animals fed soy
should also be grazing.
   The use of soy oil in human diets should be replaced by olive,
canola or some other veg oil with higher omega 3 fatty acids.
   My point: Much of the carbon captured by plants growing in a field
used to produce soy oil for biodiesel production still enters the food
chain as food.

Tom


On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:33:57 -0500
 Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com wrote:
http://www.michigandaily.com/news/research-questions-effectiveness-biofuel 



[links in on-line article]

Research calls into question biofuel usage

By Samiha Matin, For the Daily

Published February 9, 2015

Though expanding biofuel production is often lauded as a key 
strategy for decreasing carbon emissions, a University-based 
analysis found that the benefits might not be so extensive.


John DeCicco, a research professor at the University’s Energy 
Institute, reviewed existing studies that evaluated the 
effectiveness of biofuel as an alternative energy source. He 
discovered that the variety of computer models used does not 
accurately represent the amount of carbon dioxide absorbed from the 
atmosphere when biofuels are produced.


Though biofuel, an energy source composed from organic or food waste 
products, has generally been deemed 

Re: [Biofuel] Research calls into question biofuel usage - The Michigan Daily

[Thomas Kelly]

  Hmmm
  “The computer-analysis methods forget to check what land is doing
before it is used to grow soybeans for biofuels,” he said. “They 
think that the land is completely barren. That’s a very big mistake.”


Consequently, there has been no increase in the removal of carbon 
dioxide from the atmosphere as a result of increased biofuel 
production because the fields were already being used to grow food.


   One would hope that the fields used to grow soybeans for 
biofuels

are simultaneously growing crops for food.
   Oils pressed from soy beans for biodiesel production leaves behind
the proteins and carbohydrates that make for excellent animal feed,
which is what soy should probably be grown for anyway. Pig farmers
feed soy to their pigs because its protein is high in the amino acid 
lysine.
In fact, the removal of the oil may make for better feed in that soy 
oil

has a poor balance of omega 3:omega 6 fatty acids. Animals fed soy
should also be grazing.
   The use of soy oil in human diets should be replaced by olive,
canola or some other veg oil with higher omega 3 fatty acids.
   My point: Much of the carbon captured by plants growing in a field
used to produce soy oil for biodiesel production still enters the food
chain as food.

Tom


On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:33:57 -0500
 Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com wrote:

http://www.michigandaily.com/news/research-questions-effectiveness-biofuel

[links in on-line article]

Research calls into question biofuel usage

By Samiha Matin, For the Daily

Published February 9, 2015

Though expanding biofuel production is often lauded as a key 
strategy for decreasing carbon emissions, a University-based analysis 
found that the benefits might not be so extensive.


John DeCicco, a research professor at the University’s Energy 
Institute, reviewed existing studies that evaluated the effectiveness 
of biofuel as an alternative energy source. He discovered that the 
variety of computer models used does not accurately represent the 
amount of carbon dioxide absorbed from the atmosphere when biofuels 
are produced.


Though biofuel, an energy source composed from organic or food waste 
products, has generally been deemed a leading eco-friendly option for 
reducing gasoline consumption, DeCicco said many of the studies are 
misleading.


“The government has sponsored computer models which have made a very 
basic accounting mistake,” he said. “Particularly, they count carbon 
dioxide uptake as it happens. They completely offset the carbon 
dioxide admitted when the biofuel is burned.”


In recent years, scientists and researchers have debated the 
advantages and disadvantages of biofuel compared to petroleum 
production.


DeCicco, however, said his work takes a step back to research 
fundamental mistakes made when measuring carbon dioxide uptake 
throughout the decades. His research argues against the assumption 
that biofuels decrease net carbon dioxide emissions.


Using a field of soybeans as an example, DeCicco talked about how 
these models fail to recognize that lands are constantly being used 
for production. Fields previously used to grow food are now providing 
for biofuel production.


“The computer-analysis methods forget to check what land is doing 
before it is used to grow soybeans for biofuels,” he said. “They 
think that the land is completely barren. That’s a very big mistake.”


Consequently, there has been no increase in the removal of carbon 
dioxide from the atmosphere as a result of increased biofuel 
production because the fields were already being used to grow food.


The research paper also highlights the use of carbon footprint 
models and their incorrect calculations that carbon dioxide emissions 
are lower with biodiesel than petroleum. The results are inconsistent 
with the realities of the carbon cycle, causing carbon footprint 
calculators to incorrectly estimate carbon dioxide uptake by crops 
like soybeans.


However, DeCicco remains optimistic for the future and believes that 
scientific critical analyses will help to remove these assumptions.


“I, alongside many researchers around the world, have begun peeling 
the layers of the onion,” he said. “It’s necessary because the 
scientific community has made some erroneous decisions.”

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Re: [Biofuel] A Biofuel Debate: Will Cutting Trees Cut Carbon? - NYTimes.com

[dwoodard]

Studies have shown that cutting forests for timber results in large 
releases of carbon from oxidation of non-timber wood (including downed 
and decaying trees), tree roots and soil organic matter. I'm sorry that 
I can't quote the reference but there was one in Science on work in the 
U.S. Northwest several years ago.


Conventional crop production also usually results in large carbon 
releases from oxidation of soil organic matter.


Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada


On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:34:04 -0500, Darryl McMahon 
dar...@econogics.com wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/business/economy/a-biofuel-debate-will-cutting-trees-cut-carbon.html

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Re: [Biofuel] Monsanto Is Making Us Sick: A Protest at Monsanto's Headquarters

[Tom]

Special thanks for this one Darryl.

To all, 
   Please read it
  Tom

-Original Message-
From: Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com
Sent: ‎2/‎9/‎2015 7:08 PM
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Subject: [Biofuel] Monsanto Is Making Us Sick: A Protest at Monsanto's  
Headquarters

http://truth-out.org/news/item/29004-a-lively-day-at-monsanto-headquarters

[links and video in on-line article]

Monsanto Is Making Us Sick: A Protest at Monsanto's Headquarters

Monday, 09 February 2015 11:36

By Alexis Baden-Mayer, Organic Consumers Association | Video



On January 30, the Organic Consumers Association (OCA) joined Moms 
Across America (MAA), SumofUs, Women’s International League for Peace 
and Freedom, Harrington Investments and GMO Free Midwest in a protest 
and confrontation at Monsanto’s annual shareholder meeting.

The meeting was held at Monsanto corporate headquarters outside St. 
Louis, Mo., in a town called Creve Coeur—which in French means Broken Heart.

It’s a fitting name for the location of a company that has caused so 
much heartache with its toxic chemicals.

OCA’s mission on January 30 was to let Monsanto know, in no uncertain 
terms, that its so-called science—bought and paid for with dirty 
corporate money—is no match for the research being conducted by honest, 
independent scientists. And that research is clear: Monsanto is making 
us sick.

OCA launched our “Monsanto Makes Us Sick” campaign with speeches by 
medical doctors Jeff Ritterman and Norm Shealy who summed up the 
scientific case against Monsanto’s flagship product, Roundup herbicide. 
We also constructed a memorial, in front of the Monsanto sign on the 
company’s lawn, to victims of Monsanto and Roundup.

Zen Honeycutt of MAA, acting as a proxy for Harrington Investments, took 
the message of our protest inside the shareholders’ meeting. She 
presented Monsanto CEO Hugh Grant with more than 500 testimonials from 
members of both MAA and OCA describing how their health, or the health 
of a family member, had been damaged by Roundup and its key active 
ingredient, glyphosate. Honeycutt also delivered a bibliography listing 
scores of scientific articles linking Monsanto’s Roundup to the health 
problems described in the testimonials.

When it was her turn to speak, Honeycutt spoke directly to Monsanto CEO 
Hugh Grant:

I want to share with you why I personally am here.

I have three sons, 12, 9 and 6, and they all have food allergies and my 
husband and I never did.

Two have life-threatening nut allergies and one son we almost lost 
twice; I held his hand in the hospital and prayed to God for his life.

But when we went organic, his allergies went from a 19 to a 0.2; he no 
longer has life-threatening allergies.

And, my other son, at 8 years old, had a rash around his mouth, and a 
sudden onset of autism symptoms. His grades dropped from A’s to D’s. He 
was hitting and had erratic behavior. I got him tested and he had 
Clostridium difficile, fungus, clostridia, leaky gut, 19 different food 
intolerances and gut dysbiosis. These are all things farm animals have 
when they are exposed to glyphosate [the main ingredient in Monsanto’s 
Roundup herbicide].

I got him tested for glyphosate and he had 8.7 ppb in his urine, eight 
times higher than was found in anyone in Europe.

So we all went organic to avoid glyphosate and within 6 weeks, we tested 
him again and his levels of glyphosate were undetectable. His autism 
symptoms were also gone and he has not had a single autism symptom since.

And, I am not the only one; we have hundreds of testimonials. We see our 
kids get better from autism, allergies, asthma and autoimmune disorders.

Honeycutt also presented a proposal, on behalf of Harrington 
Investments. The proposal addressed “proxy access” at Monsanto, which is 
the process allowing shareholders to directly nominate a limited number 
of candidates to the Board of Directors. Currently, the existing board 
members alone select a sole slate of candidates for the board.

The proposal garnered 53 percent of the vote, ending what Harrington 
Investments called “Soviet Bloc Style Voting at Monsanto.”

It was a surprising victory. As Honeycutt described it:

I felt an actual pat on my back and I turned and saw smiling faces. The 
shareholders had passed it! And they were smiling at me. Amazing! 
Astounding. I felt myself choke up and tears welled up in my eyes. I put 
my face in my hands and took a deep breath. I was overwhelmed with emotion.

Even the Wall Street Journal had to admit that Honeycutt, representing 
MAA, had put Monsanto on the defensive. In his blog post, “Monsanto 
Shareholder Meeting Gets Heated,” Jacob Bunge wrote:

The meeting at Monsanto’s St. Louis headquarters tested CEO Hugh Grant’s 
stated determination to more directly engage critics of large-scale 
agriculture and genetically modified crops.

OCA and MAA weren’t the only 

Re: [Biofuel] Low-Cost Solar Panel Captures Four Times More Energy Producing Solar Electricity Hot Water

[Zeke Yewdall]

It all depends on the temperatures of the thermal energy and whether you
have a use for it.  This is actually what I did my thesis research on, and
I found that it generally resulted in way too much thermal energy for
residential uses, and not high enough temperature of thermal energy (though
mine did not have reflectors).  In the summertime, when most residential
settings have little use for thermal energy -- a little DHW needs is all --
then what you do you with it?  With the reflectors, you don't have the
option of not collecting it, because if you don't, the PV will overheat.
Heat dumps are a pain in the neck (we use them on some solar thermal
systems that cannot turn off the collectors sometimes, such as evacuated
tube systems) I think it's a neat idea, but figuring out how to apply it in
the real world will be the challenge.

Z

On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com
wrote:

 https://solarthermalmagazine.com/2014/11/21/low-cost-solar-
 panel-captures-four-times-more-energy-producing-solar-
 electricity-and-hot-water/

 [image in on-line article]

 By Press Release Solar PV, Solar Thermal Energy

 November 21, 2014

 Low-Cost Solar Panel Captures Four Times More Energy Producing Solar
 Electricity and Hot Water

 Solar Electricity and Hot Water ( Solar Thermal Magazine) – Focused Sun of
 Las Cruces, New Mexico, USA is planning to shake up the solar industry with
 an inexpensive module that captures four times more energy than a
 conventional solar panel of the same size. The module, called FourFold,
 produces both electricity and hot water. It can pay for itself in as little
 as two years, bringing local jobs plus cheap, clean energy. For every
 dollar spent, you capture four fold more solar energy.

 A FourFold covers most of modern energy needs: its electricity powers
 lights, refrigerators and air cooling, while its heat can warm a home or
 drive boilers. In the developing world, the module is needed in village
 clinics where it can sterilize water and refrigerate vaccines.

 The fabrication technology to make FourFold solar modules in small local
 factories can be licensed from Focused Sun. A town as small as 5,000 can
 support a solar factory. These aren’t short term jobs: most towns and small
 cities will take decades to solarize.

 Costs of the module’s collector are similar to a same-sized conventional
 PV panel because sandwich fabrication is used for the module’s mirrors.
 Sandwich fabrication is the most efficient structure for resisting the
 wind, the highest force a solar panel must withstand.

 Conventional PV solar panels capture 20% of the sun’s energy as
 electricity. In the FourFold module, four mirrors concentrate the sunlight
 into a narrow strip of overhead PV cells, capturing just as much
 electricity. More important, coolant pumped through the absorber captures
 an additional 55% of the sun’s energy as heat. Altogether, the FourFold
 collects 75% of the sun’s energy, 500 W of electricity and 1500 W of heat
 for 2000 W total.

 The attached shed stores energy overnight: heat in an insulated tank and
 electricity in batteries. With low costs and high efficiency solar capture,
 payback can be as low as 2 years.

 Focused Sun founder Rene Francis (Hallsberg, Sweden) said, “This solar
 technology can outperform anything else you could find in the world. And
 the best part is it can be built locally.” Referring to Princeton
 University’s eight stabilization wedges needed to avoid global warming, he
 adds,

 If PV solar is one Princeton wedge, then this technology is four wedges.
 That’s half the global warming problem.

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Re: [Biofuel] Low-Cost Solar Panel Captures Four Times More Energy Producing Solar Electricity Hot Water

[Zeke Yewdall]

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Chris Burck chris.bu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've wondered about these issues you mention.  What is the threshold
 temperature, that you'd want to keep your PV below?

 On Sunday, February 8, 2015, Zeke Yewdall zyewd...@gmail.com wrote:

  It all depends on the temperatures of the thermal energy and whether you
  have a use for it.  This is actually what I did my thesis research on,
 and
  I found that it generally resulted in way too much thermal energy for
  residential uses, and not high enough temperature of thermal energy
 (though
  mine did not have reflectors).  In the summertime, when most residential
  settings have little use for thermal energy -- a little DHW needs is all
 --
  then what you do you with it?  With the reflectors, you don't have the
  option of not collecting it, because if you don't, the PV will overheat.
  Heat dumps are a pain in the neck (we use them on some solar thermal
  systems that cannot turn off the collectors sometimes, such as evacuated
  tube systems) I think it's a neat idea, but figuring out how to apply it
 in
  the real world will be the challenge.
 
  Z
 


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Re: [Biofuel] Low-Cost Solar Panel Captures Four Times More Energy Producing Solar Electricity Hot Water

[Chris Burck]

I've wondered about these issues you mention.  What is the threshold
temperature, that you'd want to keep your PV below?

On Sunday, February 8, 2015, Zeke Yewdall zyewd...@gmail.com wrote:

 It all depends on the temperatures of the thermal energy and whether you
 have a use for it.  This is actually what I did my thesis research on, and
 I found that it generally resulted in way too much thermal energy for
 residential uses, and not high enough temperature of thermal energy (though
 mine did not have reflectors).  In the summertime, when most residential
 settings have little use for thermal energy -- a little DHW needs is all --
 then what you do you with it?  With the reflectors, you don't have the
 option of not collecting it, because if you don't, the PV will overheat.
 Heat dumps are a pain in the neck (we use them on some solar thermal
 systems that cannot turn off the collectors sometimes, such as evacuated
 tube systems) I think it's a neat idea, but figuring out how to apply it in
 the real world will be the challenge.

 Z



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