Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter
I am interested in the emissions control device question too, and for an 80's Golf as well (and more importantly for my Huge Ford truck). In the SF Bay Area the person to talk to would be Coby Smolens up in Marin (he's in the process of moving his shop to San Rafael, but has been in Fairfax). He's a VW mechanic shop owner who's a biodiesel activist, my rumors: I think that maybe he's the moderator of the marinbiodiesel yahoogroups list (that one's very quiet these days), he's been campaigning for Fairfax's municipal vehicles to use biodiesel (I think, anyway), he's lobbying very hard to get the owner of a new gas station in Fairfax to start selling B100, and he's a really great guy in general. Let me know what you find out about available emissions tests- I know Coby's done them for his own diesels and found the expected dramatic improvement with B100 of course. ANyway his email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] or .net or whatever it is. Check on the marinbiodiesel yahoogroups list as well for others with that kind of interest. there was a little bit of a discussion there a while back about using a trap oxidizer from a mercedes for emissions controls on other diesels. And join our northern california biodiesel users' listserve- the burnveggies list (not a Ya-hell), and ask people there about more local mechanic resources if you can't figure it out: www.goblin.punk.net/mailman/listinfo/burnveggies I believe Steve Spence knows a thing or two about where to get catalytic converter type devices for a diesel- you out there, steve? Mark At 06:39 PM 12/14/2002 +, you wrote: Hi. I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then: First, where can I have my car emissions checked? I have checked with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to touch a diesel. My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup. I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a catalytic converter. Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic converter for an '85 Golf? I understand that use of veggie fuels allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel. How does this work, and where might I find one that will work for my car? Thanks much for your help. I look forward to hearing your replies. Bruce Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter
you can get cat converters from any auto store. or even good used ones from a wrecking yard. Here in NJ, the state inspections stations have to emissions inspect any vehicle, even the smartass that brought in his electric conversion. the guy spent 5 minutes looking for the tailpipe before the owner fessed up. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter Hi. I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then: First, where can I have my car emissions checked? I have checked with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to touch a diesel. My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup. I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a catalytic converter. Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic converter for an '85 Golf? I understand that use of veggie fuels allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel. How does this work, and where might I find one that will work for my car? Thanks much for your help. I look forward to hearing your replies. Bruce Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter
Steve, heee hee. Figures it would be in NJ. You or one of your friends is running a cat on a diesel, right? are the ones you're talking about just catalytic converters designed for gasoline vehicles? Mark At 03:13 PM 12/14/2002 -0500, you wrote: you can get cat converters from any auto store. or even good used ones from a wrecking yard. Here in NJ, the state inspections stations have to emissions inspect any vehicle, even the smartass that brought in his electric conversion. the guy spent 5 minutes looking for the tailpipe before the owner fessed up. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.orghttp://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter Hi. I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then: First, where can I have my car emissions checked? I have checked with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to touch a diesel. My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup. I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a catalytic converter. Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic converter for an '85 Golf? I understand that use of veggie fuels allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel. How does this work, and where might I find one that will work for my car? Thanks much for your help. I look forward to hearing your replies. Bruce Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter
I wish someone had a video of that, it would trulely be worth some bucks to see the look on that guys face. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 13:13 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter you can get cat converters from any auto store. or even good used ones from a wrecking yard. Here in NJ, the state inspections stations have to emissions inspect any vehicle, even the smartass that brought in his electric conversion. the guy spent 5 minutes looking for the tailpipe before the owner fessed up. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter Hi. I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then: First, where can I have my car emissions checked? I have checked with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to touch a diesel. My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup. I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a catalytic converter. Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic converter for an '85 Golf? I understand that use of veggie fuels allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel. How does this work, and where might I find one that will work for my car? Thanks much for your help. I look forward to hearing your replies. Bruce Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter
yes, standard cat converters off any gas car. I don't have emissions test handy to publish at moment. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter Steve, heee hee. Figures it would be in NJ. You or one of your friends is running a cat on a diesel, right? are the ones you're talking about just catalytic converters designed for gasoline vehicles? Mark At 03:13 PM 12/14/2002 -0500, you wrote: you can get cat converters from any auto store. or even good used ones from a wrecking yard. Here in NJ, the state inspections stations have to emissions inspect any vehicle, even the smartass that brought in his electric conversion. the guy spent 5 minutes looking for the tailpipe before the owner fessed up. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.orghttp://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter Hi. I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then: First, where can I have my car emissions checked? I have checked with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to touch a diesel. My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup. I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a catalytic converter. Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic converter for an '85 Golf? I understand that use of veggie fuels allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel. How does this work, and where might I find one that will work for my car? Thanks much for your help. I look forward to hearing your replies. Bruce Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofue l.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofu el.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter
Bruce, Funny you should ask. I just asked my local smog guy if he'd check my Mercedes for smog, and he was worried that diesel emissions would plug up his equipment. I plan to call a truck place - I've heard that some of them may have equipment to test for NOx - most smog stations don't, apparently you need a 5 gas analyzer. And you are correct that a catalytic converter or trap oxidizer will lower emissions - specifically NOx, and that veggie diesel - biodiesel or straight vegetable oil - won't plug them like dinodiesel (specifically the sulfur that's added for lubricity - and which veggie fuels don't need, being naturally more slippery.) Mercedes installed trap oxidizers on '85 through '87 diesels, then removed them, free of charge, when they got plugged. On the '87's (and I have an '87) they replaced the (removed) trap oxidizer, which had been in the engine compartment, with an oxidation catalyst which was installed downsteam - before the muffler. I called my local Benz dealer in Oakland, and they wanted around $200 for one - and I'd think that a good muffler shop could install one somewhere in the exhaust system on your Golf. Good luck and let us know what happens. If I find out more about getting baseline smog checks on diesel done, I'll let the Biofuels group know. Craig bruce_leininger wrote: Hi. I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then: First, where can I have my car emissions checked? I have checked with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to touch a diesel. My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup. I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a catalytic converter. Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic converter for an '85 Golf? I understand that use of veggie fuels allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel. How does this work, and where might I find one that will work for my car? Thanks much for your help. I look forward to hearing your replies. Bruce Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
