Re: [biofuel] Re: Wet Oil OK?
On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 12:30 PM, skillshare wrote: I'd be interested to see what sort of soap production you get... In nicer oil like yours it's not a huge problem most likely, but comparatively (ie compared to drying the oil first)??? It does seem to be a little soapier (guess my yield is suffering, since there's not much FFA. Not a problem, particularly since I always do a glycerine remix with 15% added water (a la UIdaho) anyway. By the time I get the glycerine layer out, there's VERY little soap in the biodiesel. where are you getting ethanol from these days and how much is it for both the drier stuff and this wet version? I've still got a little of my original drum from Parallel Products, plus some sugar hooch I made with Gerd Strand's TurboYeast, plus recovered ethanol from last year's glycerine layers, plus a bit of Aaper absolute that I water down (ironic). The only affordable source was Parallel Products at $1.60 a gallon for fuel-grade (CDA 20, 200pf), and even that was prohibitive when you count freight. 190 pf might be slightly cheaper, but also way easier to do at home. -K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vhSowB/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Wet Oil OK?
I'd be tickled (That's a joke, son. That's a joke. see Froghorn Leghorn) to see this conducted with fresh deer tallow. Darned might sensitive stuff relative to solid soap production after a complete reaction. 1/4 gram over can yield a 50% biodiesel/50% solid soap/biodiesel emulsion at a 65*F cooling temp. One of those gotta' be dead on target or at least a shade under scenarios. Not sure if I'd want to throw water in the mix on that feedstock. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: skillshare [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Wet Oil OK? I'd be interested to see what sort of soap production you get (you can do the soap test with bromophenol blue indicator and hydrochloric acid as described at the Leonardo site to get real numbers on this...). In nicer oil like yours it's not a huge problem most likely, but comparitively (ie compared to drying the oil first)??? I've been working all summer on reducing the amount of water used in my washing, mostly through water reuse (ie countercurrent water reuse). SOmetimes I've got it down to 1/3 new water to 1 biodiesel just through doing reuse- AND through making sure it's dry oil and it's low-ffa in the first place. IN my case I have to worry about it because it's SUCH a royal pain to dispose of the water at my site- it's a very far walk to the drain on the other side of the building complex with buckets and I'm not allowed to set up a pumping system to deal with it. When I deal with being this persnickety about water usage, I notice that the slightest thing wrong with the biodiesel quality (ie soap) makes a big difference in the washing and causes me to use more water. Ken, where are you getting ethanol from these days and how much is it for both the drier stuff and this wet version? mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess my recent expts. with wet alcohol have a corollary: the oil as well can be wetter than we may have been led to believe. I certainly won't worry any more about boil- ing til the sputtering stops completely (yes I know some of you never did:-)), given that the alcohol can have 5% water and still Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vhSowB/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Wet Oil OK?
on 10/27/03 5:40 PM, Appal Energy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be tickled to see this conducted with fresh deer tallow. Darned might sensitive stuff relative to solid soap production after a complete reaction. 1/4 gram over can yield a 50% biodiesel /50% solid soap/biodiesel emulsion at a 65*F cooling temp. In the words of an illustrious Amerikan president (recently voted the worst since Hoover) I say, Bring It On !!! You send me a liter of deer tallow (I'm sortof a wannabe vegetarian, but I'll work with ya), and I'll do my thang. If I hafta refine it first, I'll do that too! Ethyl Deerate...-K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Wet Oil OK?
Alright Ken, I was hoping to avoid it this year. But I'll pull 50 or 60 pounds of scrap over from the local processor once gun season starts, then boil you up some deer tallow and Molly Dog some deer stew. We'll all be happy. The dog more than you or I, no doubt. Send an addy and we'll get around to it. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Wet Oil OK? on 10/27/03 5:40 PM, Appal Energy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be tickled to see this conducted with fresh deer tallow. Darned might sensitive stuff relative to solid soap production after a complete reaction. 1/4 gram over can yield a 50% biodiesel /50% solid soap/biodiesel emulsion at a 65*F cooling temp. In the words of an illustrious Amerikan president (recently voted the worst since Hoover) I say, Bring It On !!! You send me a liter of deer tallow (I'm sortof a wannabe vegetarian, but I'll work with ya), and I'll do my thang. If I hafta refine it first, I'll do that too! Ethyl Deerate...-K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
