Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability

2003-01-18 Thread georgemurray1

In a message dated 15/01/03 01:03:49 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

 I'm thinking more of the small town approach - small industrial (logging, 
mining etc) of 30,000 or less.  You have all the fast foods but realistically 
the turn over of VO is not that great.  These towns have huge potential for 
biodiesel with many ford, dodge and Chevy trucks running around, but if there 
isn't the availability then there is no point in putting the energy/finances 
into a setup to produce the fuel.
 
 What other sources are there? 
good point - convert the mountains of sawdust to fuel locally, no 
distribution costs!


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Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability

2003-01-18 Thread greg

find a copy of the new issue of home power it has a story on biofuel
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Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability


 In a message dated 15/01/03 01:03:49 GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes:

  I'm thinking more of the small town approach - small industrial
(logging,
 mining etc) of 30,000 or less.  You have all the fast foods but
realistically
 the turn over of VO is not that great.  These towns have huge potential
for
 biodiesel with many ford, dodge and Chevy trucks running around, but if
there
 isn't the availability then there is no point in putting the
energy/finances
 into a setup to produce the fuel.

  What other sources are there? 
 good point - convert the mountains of sawdust to fuel locally, no
 distribution costs!


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Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability

2003-01-18 Thread Steve Spence

with a picture of Mike Pelley's processor with journeytoforever.org down the
side. way to go Keith!


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Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability


 find a copy of the new issue of home power it has a story on biofuel
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability


  In a message dated 15/01/03 01:03:49 GMT Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  writes:
 
   I'm thinking more of the small town approach - small industrial
 (logging,
  mining etc) of 30,000 or less.  You have all the fast foods but
 realistically
  the turn over of VO is not that great.  These towns have huge potential
 for
  biodiesel with many ford, dodge and Chevy trucks running around, but if
 there
  isn't the availability then there is no point in putting the
 energy/finances
  into a setup to produce the fuel.
 
   What other sources are there? 
  good point - convert the mountains of sawdust to fuel locally, no
  distribution costs!
 
 
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Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability

2003-01-16 Thread William Clark

Thanks Todd. That would be a great help to me.

Bill C.
- Original Message -
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability


 Try Commercial Insurance Concepts out of Wheat Ridge, Colorado.
 (I have no personal affiliation with them save for one of my
 policies.) They are versed in everything from Inland Marine
 policies (transient equipment) to fixed commercial accounts.

 We've briefly discussed the matter in passing when I renewed last
 fall. They didn't seem dis-inclined to write something up for a
 going biodiesel concern.

 Everything would have to be up to speed commercially though.

 4251 Kipling, Suite 190
 Wheat Ridge, CO 80033
 303-420-1800

 Todd


 - Original Message -
 From: William Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability


  Todd,
 
  After about a year of research and planning to produce
 biodiesel from wvo, I
  ran into a formidable wall which is the end for me and perhaps
 many others.
  I could find no insurance company willing to provide liability
 coverage for
  my operation. The more money these kinds of operations can
 make, the bigger
  this problem is going to become. I live in Barbour County,
 Alabama  a.k.a.
  Tort Hell. If  I have missed some obvious solution please
 inform me. Doing
  without is not an option for me. Also, the lack of product
 liability ins.
  could present a serious barrier to market penetration.
 
  Hoping for a solution,
 
  Bill Clark
  - Original Message -
  From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability
 
 
   There is only one primary point source for WVO - VO users.
 It's
   up to the biodiesel manufacturer who wants to use this
 feedstock
   to overcome the logistic issues.
  
   It's doable and profitable. Start looking at operating one
 1,500
   to 3,000 gpd facility for every 30,000 plus population center
 (or
   radius) and your on your way towards profitability at scale.
  
   Todd
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Robin Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:27 PM
   Subject: [biofuel] WVO Availability
  
  
What ideas has anyone come up with to get a decent supply
 of
   WVO?
   
I'm thinking more of the small town approach - small
 industrial
   (logging, mining etc) of 30,000 or less.  You have all the
 fast
   foods but realistically the turn over of VO is not that
 great.
   These towns have huge potential for biodiesel with many ford,
   dodge and Chevy trucks running around, but if there isn't the
   availability then there is no point in putting the
   energy/finances into a setup to produce the fuel.
   
What other sources are there?
   
Robin
   
   
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Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability

2003-01-16 Thread William Clark

Todd,

No dice with this company. Thanks anyway.

Bill C.
- Original Message -
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability


 Try Commercial Insurance Concepts out of Wheat Ridge, Colorado.
 (I have no personal affiliation with them save for one of my
 policies.) They are versed in everything from Inland Marine
 policies (transient equipment) to fixed commercial accounts.

 We've briefly discussed the matter in passing when I renewed last
 fall. They didn't seem dis-inclined to write something up for a
 going biodiesel concern.

 Everything would have to be up to speed commercially though.

 4251 Kipling, Suite 190
 Wheat Ridge, CO 80033
 303-420-1800

 Todd


 - Original Message -
 From: William Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability


  Todd,
 
  After about a year of research and planning to produce
 biodiesel from wvo, I
  ran into a formidable wall which is the end for me and perhaps
 many others.
  I could find no insurance company willing to provide liability
 coverage for
  my operation. The more money these kinds of operations can
 make, the bigger
  this problem is going to become. I live in Barbour County,
 Alabama  a.k.a.
  Tort Hell. If  I have missed some obvious solution please
 inform me. Doing
  without is not an option for me. Also, the lack of product
 liability ins.
  could present a serious barrier to market penetration.
 
  Hoping for a solution,
 
  Bill Clark
  - Original Message -
  From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability
 
 
   There is only one primary point source for WVO - VO users.
 It's
   up to the biodiesel manufacturer who wants to use this
 feedstock
   to overcome the logistic issues.
  
   It's doable and profitable. Start looking at operating one
 1,500
   to 3,000 gpd facility for every 30,000 plus population center
 (or
   radius) and your on your way towards profitability at scale.
  
   Todd
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Robin Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:27 PM
   Subject: [biofuel] WVO Availability
  
  
What ideas has anyone come up with to get a decent supply
 of
   WVO?
   
I'm thinking more of the small town approach - small
 industrial
   (logging, mining etc) of 30,000 or less.  You have all the
 fast
   foods but realistically the turn over of VO is not that
 great.
   These towns have huge potential for biodiesel with many ford,
   dodge and Chevy trucks running around, but if there isn't the
   availability then there is no point in putting the
   energy/finances into a setup to produce the fuel.
   
What other sources are there?
   
Robin
   
   
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Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability

2003-01-15 Thread William Clark

Todd,

After about a year of research and planning to produce biodiesel from wvo, I
ran into a formidable wall which is the end for me and perhaps many others.
I could find no insurance company willing to provide liability coverage for
my operation. The more money these kinds of operations can make, the bigger
this problem is going to become. I live in Barbour County, Alabama  a.k.a.
Tort Hell. If  I have missed some obvious solution please inform me. Doing
without is not an option for me. Also, the lack of product liability ins.
could present a serious barrier to market penetration.

Hoping for a solution,

Bill Clark
- Original Message -
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability


 There is only one primary point source for WVO - VO users. It's
 up to the biodiesel manufacturer who wants to use this feedstock
 to overcome the logistic issues.

 It's doable and profitable. Start looking at operating one 1,500
 to 3,000 gpd facility for every 30,000 plus population center (or
 radius) and your on your way towards profitability at scale.

 Todd

 - Original Message -
 From: Robin Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:27 PM
 Subject: [biofuel] WVO Availability


  What ideas has anyone come up with to get a decent supply of
 WVO?
 
  I'm thinking more of the small town approach - small industrial
 (logging, mining etc) of 30,000 or less.  You have all the fast
 foods but realistically the turn over of VO is not that great.
 These towns have huge potential for biodiesel with many ford,
 dodge and Chevy trucks running around, but if there isn't the
 availability then there is no point in putting the
 energy/finances into a setup to produce the fuel.
 
  What other sources are there?
 
  Robin
 
 
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Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability

2003-01-15 Thread Appal Energy

Try Commercial Insurance Concepts out of Wheat Ridge, Colorado.
(I have no personal affiliation with them save for one of my
policies.) They are versed in everything from Inland Marine
policies (transient equipment) to fixed commercial accounts.

We've briefly discussed the matter in passing when I renewed last
fall. They didn't seem dis-inclined to write something up for a
going biodiesel concern.

Everything would have to be up to speed commercially though.

4251 Kipling, Suite 190
Wheat Ridge, CO 80033
303-420-1800

Todd


- Original Message -
From: William Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability


 Todd,

 After about a year of research and planning to produce
biodiesel from wvo, I
 ran into a formidable wall which is the end for me and perhaps
many others.
 I could find no insurance company willing to provide liability
coverage for
 my operation. The more money these kinds of operations can
make, the bigger
 this problem is going to become. I live in Barbour County,
Alabama  a.k.a.
 Tort Hell. If  I have missed some obvious solution please
inform me. Doing
 without is not an option for me. Also, the lack of product
liability ins.
 could present a serious barrier to market penetration.

 Hoping for a solution,

 Bill Clark
 - Original Message -
 From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability


  There is only one primary point source for WVO - VO users.
It's
  up to the biodiesel manufacturer who wants to use this
feedstock
  to overcome the logistic issues.
 
  It's doable and profitable. Start looking at operating one
1,500
  to 3,000 gpd facility for every 30,000 plus population center
(or
  radius) and your on your way towards profitability at scale.
 
  Todd
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Robin Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:27 PM
  Subject: [biofuel] WVO Availability
 
 
   What ideas has anyone come up with to get a decent supply
of
  WVO?
  
   I'm thinking more of the small town approach - small
industrial
  (logging, mining etc) of 30,000 or less.  You have all the
fast
  foods but realistically the turn over of VO is not that
great.
  These towns have huge potential for biodiesel with many ford,
  dodge and Chevy trucks running around, but if there isn't the
  availability then there is no point in putting the
  energy/finances into a setup to produce the fuel.
  
   What other sources are there?
  
   Robin
  
  
   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  
  
  
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Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability

2003-01-14 Thread girl mark

you'd be surprised at how much vegetable oil comes out of a small town of 
loggers, miners, and other working folk (i've checked this out pretty 
thoroughly hunting grease on a few long road trips).  It seems like it 
wouldn't be much but that is wrong- fast food restaurants really put out 
huge amounts of the stuff (of varying quality of course, you might not have 
the choice we have in cities, but... )

Mark


At 04:27 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, you wrote:
What ideas has anyone come up with to get a decent supply of WVO?

I'm thinking more of the small town approach - small industrial (logging, 
mining etc) of 30,000 or less.  You have all the fast foods but 
realistically the turn over of VO is not that great.  These towns have 
huge potential for biodiesel with many ford, dodge and Chevy trucks 
running around, but if there isn't the availability then there is no point 
in putting the energy/finances into a setup to produce the fuel.

What other sources are there?

Robin


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Vegetable shortening as fuel (was Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability

2003-01-14 Thread craig reece

Robin,

Looks like Mark can make biodiesel with it, so you've gotten that
answer. In case you're considering using it for a straight vegetable oil
conversion, I would say sure to that as well, provided you provide your
vehicle with some good dependable in-tank heating. I'd recommend the
Webb HotSTK  http://www.webb-sales.com/I80.htm (with thanks to
motie, who turned us onto this most excellent fuel tank heating device.)

Craig

Robin Parker wrote:

  Another question I have:

 A lot of fast food outlets use vegetable shortening - it's hard at
 room
 temperature but melts in the fryers.  Can this stuff be used?

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Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability

2003-01-14 Thread Craig Pech

Robin,

The average person will consume 2 gallons of veg oil per year - 60,000
gallons in your town. Add a few surrounding towns and you should reach
100,000 gallons. The ease of getting supplies will vary by what your
competitor is charging to pick it up. In Wisconsin they are charging $55 per
removal. Needless to say, we can get all we want for free!

Craig

 At 04:27 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, you wrote:
 What ideas has anyone come up with to get a decent supply of WVO?
 
 I'm thinking more of the small town approach - small industrial (logging,
 mining etc) of 30,000 or less.  You have all the fast foods but
 realistically the turn over of VO is not that great.  These towns have
 huge potential for biodiesel with many ford, dodge and Chevy trucks
 running around, but if there isn't the availability then there is no
point
 in putting the energy/finances into a setup to produce the fuel.
 
 What other sources are there?
 
 Robin
 
 
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Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability

2003-01-14 Thread Robin Parker

Another question I have:

A lot of fast food outlets use vegetable shortening - it's hard at room
temperature but melts in the fryers.  Can this stuff be used?

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Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability

2003-01-14 Thread girl mark

sure!

Mark



At 06:46 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Another question I have:

A lot of fast food outlets use vegetable shortening - it's hard at room
temperature but melts in the fryers.  Can this stuff be used?

Robin



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Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability

2003-01-14 Thread Appal Energy

There is only one primary point source for WVO - VO users. It's
up to the biodiesel manufacturer who wants to use this feedstock
to overcome the logistic issues.

It's doable and profitable. Start looking at operating one 1,500
to 3,000 gpd facility for every 30,000 plus population center (or
radius) and your on your way towards profitability at scale.

Todd

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Subject: [biofuel] WVO Availability


 What ideas has anyone come up with to get a decent supply of
WVO?

 I'm thinking more of the small town approach - small industrial
(logging, mining etc) of 30,000 or less.  You have all the fast
foods but realistically the turn over of VO is not that great.
These towns have huge potential for biodiesel with many ford,
dodge and Chevy trucks running around, but if there isn't the
availability then there is no point in putting the
energy/finances into a setup to produce the fuel.

 What other sources are there?

 Robin


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