Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
veggie oil is used by some racing cars and motorcycles i dont know the trade name tho. Ian - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? >I would love to hear any input you all might have. >Thanks - Fischmann > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Fischmann, Yes you could make your own oils, particularly vegetable based oils BUT and I emphasize BUT you need a lot of knowledge and expertise. (In short you really need to be a chemist and specialise in oils). A lot of the modern synthetics are vegetable based oils with fully synthetics having a large % of vegetable oil base. Oils as such are made fom 2 main things, namely the oil base stock and the additive package. It is the quality of both these things that determine the quality of the finished products. Quality manufacture is beyond the range and ability of the amateur. That is not to say it cant be done in the longrun but without a lot of dedication, attention to detail, and massive investment you are never likely to get there. I somehow think at that point you have well and truly left the rank of amateur behind. B.r., David - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:34 AM Subject: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > Greetings: >Is it possible to make engine oil, (for the crankcase) in the same > manner as making bio-diesel? I've read several e-mail postings about special > filters for regular, petroleum based oils, what about veggie oils? > It seems to me I read somewhere that years ago, (like, back in the > early 1900's) race cars used vegetable oil to lubricate the engines of their > cars. Has anyone else heard of this? Has anyone else tried this with their > own automobile, (perhaps even some kind of stationary engine, farm tractor > engine, etc.). >I would love to hear any input you all might have. >Thanks - Fischmann Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
I wonder how long a diesel rabbit engine would last, with veggie oil in the crankcase. I just might try. they are pretty cheap at our junkyard. I'll add one of your filters, Dave. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > Fischmann, > Yes you could make your own oils, particularly vegetable > based oils BUT and I emphasize BUT you need a lot of knowledge and > expertise. (In short you really need to be a chemist and specialise in > oils). A lot of the modern synthetics are vegetable based oils with fully > synthetics having a large % of vegetable oil base. Oils as such are made > fom 2 main things, namely the oil base stock and the additive package. It > is the quality of both these things that determine the quality of the > finished products. Quality manufacture is beyond the range and ability of > the amateur. That is not to say it cant be done in the longrun but without a > lot of dedication, attention to detail, and massive investment you are never > likely to get there. I somehow think at that point you have well and truly > left the rank of amateur behind. > B.r., David > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:34 AM > Subject: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > > > > Greetings: > >Is it possible to make engine oil, (for the crankcase) in the same > > manner as making bio-diesel? I've read several e-mail postings about > special > > filters for regular, petroleum based oils, what about veggie oils? > > It seems to me I read somewhere that years ago, (like, back in the > > early 1900's) race cars used vegetable oil to lubricate the engines of > their > > cars. Has anyone else heard of this? Has anyone else tried this with their > > own automobile, (perhaps even some kind of stationary engine, farm tractor > > engine, etc.). > >I would love to hear any input you all might have. > >Thanks - Fischmann > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > Say you love them > with a DOMAIN NAME! > www. > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
> veggie oil is used by some racing cars and motorcycles > i dont know the trade name tho. > Ian Used to use Castrol R or Mobil P in the diffs of Peugeot 203,403,404. These have a brass worm wheel and a steel worm. Required diet was vegetable oil. Paul Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
> I wonder how long a diesel rabbit engine would last, with veggie oil in the > crankcase. I just might try. they are pretty cheap at our junkyard. I'll add > one of your filters, Dave. .. Steve, Make sure the oil has at minimum had the lecithin extracted. That will at least double the life of the oil as a lubricant. Bad rings on the pistons will also ensure that the biodiesel enhances the crankcase oil. I'd refrain, but I'm just a mad Irishman on the lunatic fringe. You, on the other hand, might be a bit more "touched." (Liberty taken - sorry!) :-) Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
CASTROL R Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Not a very scientific experiment if you ask me Steve although it might give you some idea on how long oil made by a rank amateur would last. As I have stated before several times oil is made from 2 things, namely the oil base stock and the additive package. Both of these are important and it is the quality of both these that determine the quality of the final oil produced, how long it lasts, and how effective it is. Without a decent additive package the oil will not last and the results produced are more a comment on the standard of engineering rather than the quality of the oil. While the by-pass oil filter would undoubtedly extend the life of the engine the results produced would be somewhat spurious and debateable as we dont know the condition of the engine initially. I believe people would benefit a lot more by learning a lot more about oil instead. While there are a lot of sites justifying additives which mostly dont work there are some good sites on the web that people can learn from. B.r., David - Original Message - From: steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > I wonder how long a diesel rabbit engine would last, with veggie oil in the > crankcase. I just might try. they are pretty cheap at our junkyard. I'll add > one of your filters, Dave. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
an "engine blow" is such a fun exposition. I'll take pics for you all :-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > > I wonder how long a diesel rabbit engine would last, with veggie oil in > the > > crankcase. I just might try. they are pretty cheap at our junkyard. I'll > add > > one of your filters, Dave. > .. > > Steve, > > Make sure the oil has at minimum had the lecithin extracted. That will at > least double the life of the oil as a lubricant. > > Bad rings on the pistons will also ensure that the biodiesel enhances the > crankcase oil. > > I'd refrain, but I'm just a mad Irishman on the lunatic fringe. You, on the > other hand, might be a bit more "touched." (Liberty taken - sorry!) :-) > > Todd > Appal Energy > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > www. > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Mix in a can of "oil treatment" on every filter roll change with the Mil-Mac. The additives will take cares of wear on the engine. Gerry "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/22/2001 05:57:21 AM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? Not a very scientific experiment if you ask me Steve although it might give you some idea on how long oil made by a rank amateur would last. As I have stated before several times oil is made from 2 things, namely the oil base stock and the additive package. Both of these are important and it is the quality of both these that determine the quality of the final oil produced, how long it lasts, and how effective it is. Without a decent additive package the oil will not last and the results produced are more a comment on the standard of engineering rather than the quality of the oil. While the by-pass oil filter would undoubtedly extend the life of the engine the results produced would be somewhat spurious and debateable as we dont know the condition of the engine initially. I believe people would benefit a lot more by learning a lot more about oil instead. While there are a lot of sites justifying additives which mostly dont work there are some good sites on the web that people can learn from. B.r., David - Original Message - From: steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > I wonder how long a diesel rabbit engine would last, with veggie oil in the > crankcase. I just might try. they are pretty cheap at our junkyard. I'll add > one of your filters, Dave. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Did you see the one in Germany the group is doing there - with the oil going through the crankcase to warm it and then into the engine as fuel? It's still running - so far. (A Ford I think). Ed B. - Original Message - From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > I wonder how long a diesel rabbit engine would last, with veggie oil in the > crankcase. I just might try. they are pretty cheap at our junkyard. I'll add > one of your filters, Dave. > > > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > > > > Fischmann, > > Yes you could make your own oils, particularly vegetable > > based oils BUT and I emphasize BUT you need a lot of knowledge and > > expertise. (In short you really need to be a chemist and specialise in > > oils). A lot of the modern synthetics are vegetable based oils with fully > > synthetics having a large % of vegetable oil base. Oils as such are made > > fom 2 main things, namely the oil base stock and the additive package. It > > is the quality of both these things that determine the quality of the > > finished products. Quality manufacture is beyond the range and ability of > > the amateur. That is not to say it cant be done in the longrun but without > a > > lot of dedication, attention to detail, and massive investment you are > never > > likely to get there. I somehow think at that point you have well and truly > > left the rank of amateur behind. > > B.r., David > > > > - Original Message - > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:34 AM > > Subject: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > > > > > > > Greetings: > > >Is it possible to make engine oil, (for the crankcase) in the > same > > > manner as making bio-diesel? I've read several e-mail postings about > > special > > > filters for regular, petroleum based oils, what about veggie oils? > > > It seems to me I read somewhere that years ago, (like, back in the > > > early 1900's) race cars used vegetable oil to lubricate the engines of > > their > > > cars. Has anyone else heard of this? Has anyone else tried this with > their > > > own automobile, (perhaps even some kind of stationary engine, farm > tractor > > > engine, etc.). > > >I would love to hear any input you all might have. > > >Thanks - Fischmann > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Say you love them > > with a DOMAIN NAME! > > www. > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
High oleic base stock is a start...then hire the tribology specialist. Ed B. - Original Message - From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > Fischmann, > Yes you could make your own oils, particularly vegetable > based oils BUT and I emphasize BUT you need a lot of knowledge and > expertise. (In short you really need to be a chemist and specialise in > oils). A lot of the modern synthetics are vegetable based oils with fully > synthetics having a large % of vegetable oil base. Oils as such are made > fom 2 main things, namely the oil base stock and the additive package. It > is the quality of both these things that determine the quality of the > finished products. Quality manufacture is beyond the range and ability of > the amateur. That is not to say it cant be done in the longrun but without a > lot of dedication, attention to detail, and massive investment you are never > likely to get there. I somehow think at that point you have well and truly > left the rank of amateur behind. > B.r., David > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:34 AM > Subject: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > > > > Greetings: > >Is it possible to make engine oil, (for the crankcase) in the same > > manner as making bio-diesel? I've read several e-mail postings about > special > > filters for regular, petroleum based oils, what about veggie oils? > > It seems to me I read somewhere that years ago, (like, back in the > > early 1900's) race cars used vegetable oil to lubricate the engines of > their > > cars. Has anyone else heard of this? Has anyone else tried this with their > > own automobile, (perhaps even some kind of stationary engine, farm tractor > > engine, etc.). > >I would love to hear any input you all might have. > >Thanks - Fischmann > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Renewable Lubricants Inc. makes some. - Original Message - From: "ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > veggie oil is used by some racing cars and motorcycles > i dont know the trade name tho. > Ian > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:34 PM > Subject: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > > > >I would love to hear any input you all might have. > >Thanks - Fischmann > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
David said: >I believe people would benefit a lot more by learning a lot more about oil >instead. While there are a lot of sites justifying additives which mostly >dont work there are some good sites on the web that people can learn from. I've tried some oil additives (teflon, etc.) and did not see results good enough to justify the extra cost. However, a few years back I tried an additive called Energy Release. ER actually works well and more than pays for itself. I now use it in all my vehicles. Their web site is: http://www.energyrelease.com/index.asp -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Hi , There was a lot of hype on those telfon additives or some that can start a engine block when it is encased in ice.! But those tend to settle down in the sump, more suitable for racing engine where it is stripped and rebuilt after the races. Luckily some blokes understand there need to be suspension of this additives in any type of lubricant and they did came out with workable additives. Don't ask me for those. I have stopped trying out the new stuff. Gerry Warren Rekow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/22/2001 09:43:30 AM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? David said: >I believe people would benefit a lot more by learning a lot more about oil >instead. While there are a lot of sites justifying additives which mostly >dont work there are some good sites on the web that people can learn from. I've tried some oil additives (teflon, etc.) and did not see results good enough to justify the extra cost. However, a few years back I tried an additive called Energy Release. ER actually works well and more than pays for itself. I now use it in all my vehicles. Their web site is: http://www.energyrelease.com/index.asp -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Yes Ed agreed, doing it this way you will certainly get a far better oil than if you read a few books yourself and then tried to make it, but on top of this you will then need to pay for analysis, set up a lab, buy expensive equipment, etc. etc. to the extent that it becomes a prohibitive exercise. I am not saying that you should not do this but one needs to understand what is required before one sets out and be reasonably commited to that path for the long haul otherwise one is likely to waste a fair amount of time and a reasonable amount of money. B.r., David - Original Message - From: NBT - E. Beggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > High oleic base stock is a start...then hire the tribology specialist. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Gerry, You would probably do far better to contact one of the oil additive manufacturers, tell them what you wanted to do, supply them with a samples/s of your base vegetable oil, and ask them for the information and the appropriate additive package to make a specific engine oil. Throwing in an "oil treatment" such as STP, Wynns, or whatever, would certainly give you a superior oil to one without any additives but it certainly wouldnt be that much superior. As Ed has just said hiring a tribology specialist would be a vast improvement. The problem then is knowing when to stop. Over the years there are not that many of these additive manufacturers like Super Slick 50, Motor Up, etc who have not been pulled over the coals for false advertising because under properly conducted tests by various governing bodies their claims do not stack up. You are generally better to go to one of the specialist oil additive manufacturers and get them to formulate the necessary additive package which is specifically designed for the base oil and to do a particular job than just throw in a can of oil treatment where sometimes some of the additive ingredients may not be too compatible with the base stock you are adding it too. At last count there were something like 49 major specialist companies in this field. B.r., David - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > > Mix in a can of "oil treatment" on every filter roll change with the > Mil-Mac. > The additives will take cares of wear on the engine. > Gerry Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
>veggie oil is used by some racing cars and motorcycles >i dont know the trade name tho. >Ian Developed by Agro Management Group of Colorado Springs, AMG 2000 is a special-formula all-vegetable premium crankcase lubricant designed for and tested in a wide range of air-cooled and water-cooled 4-cycle engines. The first-ever completely renewable and biodegradable engine oil that stands up to today's stringent industry standards. Independent tests show that emissions from engines run with AMG 2000 are lower than engines run with petroleum oil. Cost-competitive with modern petroleum lubricants. Produced in partnership with a farmers' cooperative, AMG 2000 is currently being used by the Michigan state government. "AMG 2000 is the first ever vegetable based motor oil for four cycle engines": http://www.agromgt.com/prod01.htm "Bio-based Motor Oil Lauded for Environmental Payback": http://www.agromgt.com/pr01.htm Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ >- Original Message - >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:34 PM >Subject: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > > > Greetings: >Is it possible to make engine oil, (for the crankcase) in the same > manner as making bio-diesel? I've read several e-mail postings about special > filters for regular, petroleum based oils, what about veggie oils? > It seems to me I read somewhere that years ago, (like, back in the > early 1900's) race cars used vegetable oil to lubricate the engines of their > cars. Has anyone else heard of this? Has anyone else tried this with their > own automobile, (perhaps even some kind of stationary engine, farm tractor > engine, etc.). >I would love to hear any input you all might have. >Thanks - Fischmann Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Vegoil is used by normal cars . I have seen a news in the newspaper about it. They uses 50 % vegoil and 50 % diesel in the diesel petro-motors. The vegoil ( sunflower pure vegetable oil ) it«s cheaper than petrodiesel and it«s used directly in the motor ( with 50 % petro-diesel ; I imagine one can use 50 % biodiesel instead of petro-diesel, but I have read nothing about this last ). So, I think we need a VEGOIL website, about how to produce oil from vegetables ( and search cheaper prices from another vegetables ). A way of life ( and a way to save money ;) All the best. - Original Message - From: "Paul Gobert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > > > veggie oil is used by some racing cars and motorcycles > > i dont know the trade name tho. > > Ian > > Used to use Castrol R or Mobil P in the diffs of Peugeot 203,403,404. > These have a brass worm wheel and a steel worm. Required diet was vegetable > oil. > Paul > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
>makes you wonder whether this company got its name from Castoroil...-> >Castroil... > Castrol That is exactly where it got its name. WWI era planes used Castor Oil. Many early engines had total loss lubrication systems and most leaked. One reference I read tells that because Castor Oilâs laxative affect, a pilotâs first stop on landing was the john. They mentioned another reason for the fabled hard drinking of WWI pilots was that alcohol did not go through you like solid food. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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It did Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Yes it did. Castrol R is made from a Castor Oil base. In the States and possibly elsewhere they now have an oil called Synflex which is continually compared to Mobil 1, is reportedly better, though I cant comment, but dont know its composition. B.r., David - Original Message - From: Crabb, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:32 AM Subject: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > > > > > > Message: 1 > >Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:32:14 +0100 > >From: "Biofuels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: What about making engine oil? > > > > CASTROL R > > > > > > > > http://www.castrol.com/products/cars_castrolr.html > > makes you wonder whether this company got its name from Castoroil...-> > Castroil... > Castrol Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Ur in NJ?? Hmmm I am in PA.. Maybe i can come watch??? or help? lol Jeremy --- steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > an "engine blow" is such a fun exposition. I'll take > pics for you all :-) > > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > > > > > I wonder how long a diesel rabbit engine would > last, with veggie oil in > > the > > > crankcase. I just might try. they are pretty > cheap at our junkyard. I'll > > add > > > one of your filters, Dave. > > .. > > > > Steve, > > > > Make sure the oil has at minimum had the lecithin > extracted. That will at > > least double the life of the oil as a lubricant. > > > > Bad rings on the pistons will also ensure that the > biodiesel enhances the > > crankcase oil. > > > > I'd refrain, but I'm just a mad Irishman on the > lunatic fringe. You, on > the > > other hand, might be a bit more "touched." > (Liberty taken - sorry!) :-) > > > > Todd > > Appal Energy > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > www. > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the > list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > Terms of Service. > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
you are welcome to. I'm a fireman, so all's well. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Shuey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > Ur in NJ?? Hmmm I am in PA.. Maybe i can come > watch??? or help? lol > > Jeremy > --- steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > an "engine blow" is such a fun exposition. I'll take > > pics for you all :-) > > > > > > Steve Spence > > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > > we borrow it from our children. > > -- > > > > ----- Original Message - > > From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > > > > > > > > I wonder how long a diesel rabbit engine would > > last, with veggie oil in > > > the > > > > crankcase. I just might try. they are pretty > > cheap at our junkyard. I'll > > > add > > > > one of your filters, Dave. > > > .. > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > Make sure the oil has at minimum had the lecithin > > extracted. That will at > > > least double the life of the oil as a lubricant. > > > > > > Bad rings on the pistons will also ensure that the > > biodiesel enhances the > > > crankcase oil. > > > > > > I'd refrain, but I'm just a mad Irishman on the > > lunatic fringe. You, on > > the > > > other hand, might be a bit more "touched." > > (Liberty taken - sorry!) :-) > > > > > > Todd > > > Appal Energy > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > www. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the > > list address. > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Hmmm So am I. Along with being a paramedic. Sounds scary all of a sudden. ;-) --- steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you are welcome to. I'm a fireman, so all's well. > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: "Jeremy Shuey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:54 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > > > > Ur in NJ?? Hmmm I am in PA.. Maybe i can come > > watch??? or help? lol > > > > Jeremy > > --- steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > an "engine blow" is such a fun exposition. I'll > take > > > pics for you all :-) > > > > > > > > > Steve Spence > > > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > > > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > > > > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > > > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > > > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > > > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > > > we borrow it from our children. > > > -- > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:30 PM > > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine > oil? > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how long a diesel rabbit engine > would > > > last, with veggie oil in > > > > the > > > > > crankcase. I just might try. they are pretty > > > cheap at our junkyard. I'll > > > > add > > > > > one of your filters, Dave. > > > > .. > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > Make sure the oil has at minimum had the > lecithin > > > extracted. That will at > > > > least double the life of the oil as a > lubricant. > > > > > > > > Bad rings on the pistons will also ensure that > the > > > biodiesel enhances the > > > > crankcase oil. > > > > > > > > I'd refrain, but I'm just a mad Irishman on > the > > > lunatic fringe. You, on > > > the > > > > other hand, might be a bit more "touched." > > > (Liberty taken - sorry!) :-) > > > > > > > > Todd > > > > Appal Energy > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > www. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to > the > > > list address. > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the > list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > Terms of Service. > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
firemen, making alternative fuels. hmmm you guys like things that go bang as well? ;-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Shuey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 1:27 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > Hmmm So am I. Along with being a paramedic. Sounds > scary all of a sudden. ;-) > > > --- steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > you are welcome to. I'm a fireman, so all's well. > > > > Steve Spence > > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > > we borrow it from our children. > > -- > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jeremy Shuey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > > > > > > > Ur in NJ?? Hmmm I am in PA.. Maybe i can come > > > watch??? or help? lol > > > > > > Jeremy > > > --- steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > an "engine blow" is such a fun exposition. I'll > > take > > > > pics for you all :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Spence > > > > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > > > > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > > > > > > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > > > > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > > > > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > > > > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > > > > we borrow it from our children. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:30 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine > > oil? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how long a diesel rabbit engine > > would > > > > last, with veggie oil in > > > > > the > > > > > > crankcase. I just might try. they are pretty > > > > cheap at our junkyard. I'll > > > > > add > > > > > > one of your filters, Dave. > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > Make sure the oil has at minimum had the > > lecithin > > > > extracted. That will at > > > > > least double the life of the oil as a > > lubricant. > > > > > > > > > > Bad rings on the pistons will also ensure that > > the > > > > biodiesel enhances the > > > > > crankcase oil. > > > > > > > > > > I'd refrain, but I'm just a mad Irishman on > > the > > > > lunatic fringe. You, on > > > > the > > > > > other hand, might be a bit more "touched." > > > > (Liberty taken - sorry!) :-) > > > > > > > > > > Todd > > > > > Appal Energy > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > www. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to > > the > > > > list address. > > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > > [
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
You want the webpage as well? I see 4 high school students here got suspended for making a bomb that demolished an outdoor toilet block from a recipe and how to page they found on the web. The Timothy McVeighs of this world dont die so easy eh? B.r., David - Original Message - From: steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > firemen, making alternative fuels. hmmm > > you guys like things that go bang as well? ;-) > > Steve Spence Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
I did the indoor toilet with an m80, but that was 20 years ago. surly the statute of limitations has run out? ;-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > You want the webpage as well? I see 4 high school students here got > suspended for making a bomb that demolished an outdoor toilet block from a > recipe and how to page they found on the web. The Timothy McVeighs of this > world dont die so easy eh? > B.r., David > > - Original Message - > From: steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:11 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > > > > firemen, making alternative fuels. hmmm > > > > you guys like things that go bang as well? ;-) > > > > Steve Spence > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
