Hello Jay
Hi Folks,
I am new on the list.
Welcome!
I am most interested in alcohol production since I don't
have a diesel engine. As a daily driver I have a 30 year old economy car, a
Rambler. I rebuilt the motor so the thing runs great and it is so simple with
power nothing. I have also considered converting it to LP too but that is on a
side burner.
I am on an AMC list, and on another and in both places they are
crying about the
price of gas.
I just had to ask them who's fault it was Americans drove gas hogs and
consistently refused to develop alternative energy sources. Whose fault is it
that we live so far from work in oversized homes? The increase in
gas prices is
a GOOD thing!
Hey-hey! A rare voice indeed! Good for you, keep it up.
Far out! The price of gas so far does not reflect the true cost.
And I think I got a 25% positive response, with more minds thinking about it.
I am still stumped on the whole economy thing. Do we really have to sell cars
and stuff that breaks so we can go to work to pay for cars and the stuff that
broke, or do we really just want to maintain a place for people to
go during the
daytime?
We have enough food, soap, hot water, good books, and productive hobbies for
everyone, so what's up?
OK, so sometimes I forget what planet I am on.
I'm on Planet Japan! Anyway, we both belong on this planet, but I'm
not so sure about the people who tell us all this stuff. You have to
ask, Who benefits, and at whose expense? The answers are usually the
opposite of what we get told all the time. And fairly clear-cut.
I think we could add consumption modesty to energy modesty. Do we
really need more than just basic needs (which about 1.2 billion
people don't have)? Or just want more? At whose expense? Quite a few
billion people reckon it's at their expense. And who's telling us to
want? And why? Could also be very much at our expense.
Well, you're not alone. Rather rapid growth in the Voluntary
Simplicity movement, along with homesteading and more, same sort of
thinking even if it might come from a different direction.
Thanks for all the great posts and keep up the good work!
And you. All best
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
http://journeytoforever.org/
Jay Z. Freed
Carson City NV
Keith Addison wrote:
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From: Albrecht Kaupp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi folks,
Wandering in between three homes and living alternatively in in the USA,
India and Germany, and by my profession and believe would qualify as a
Democrat/Ecofascist as defined by Dave, I see this whole discussion a bit
more relaxed. It is a matter of being brainwashed for too long that high
energy consumption and low energy costs have something to do with
quality of
life. I wonder why there are no riots in the streets of Germany at a
gasoline price of 4 US$ per gallon with diesel,LPG and N-gas not
much lower.
I also can't see the industry collapsing, people starving, or quality of
life falling apart because the country is highly energy efficient. Is the
industry and economy in the USA so weak that they can't even handle US$ 4
per gallon or doubeling LPG costs.
Here in India most of the professionals tell me every day that energy
efficiency by itself won't help anyway. It is a matter of the sum of energy
efficiency and energy modesty. At the end of the day a highly energy
efficient state-of-the-art LARGE american refrigerator will use up 2.8 kWh
per electricity while the inefficient Indian SMALL refrigerator will use up
1.8 kWh. Of course the Americans ,the Germans and a few others are madly
trying to tell the Indians how inefficient this fridge is. The trouble is
that such an advise is not very much respected and accepted from us, whom
have totally forgotten about energy modesty bragging too much about energy
efficiency.
Albrecht Kaupp
Senior Advisor
Indo-German Energy Efficiency and Environment Project, IGEEP
21 Jor Bagh, New Delhi 110 003, India
Tel +91-11-4603832-6 or +91-11-6864867 to 68
Fax +91-11-4603831 or +1-801-340-7905 (USA)
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