Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 230
Stay tuned for a babington powered steam co-generator soon. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 230 > I've been doing several postings on that other web site on this topic, so > here is my input on this topic. The Babington burner works great for raw oil, > ugly biodiesel, or other fluids, but it will not burn glycerol in > concentrations greater than about 20 or 25%. It seems that this stuff is > water based and just doesn't have all of the energy needed to sustain a > flame. I had considerable success last winter in burning it on a wood fire, > but by itself it would only burn the volatile part and then leave a > substantial vegetable gum residue that did not burn. > > My current plan is to build a masonry burner that maintains the 1000 degree > temperature needed for complete combusion. The Babington will keep up the > temperature using raw oil and the glycerine will be dribbled into a pan where > it should burn cleanly, leaving a mild residue ash. All of this is theory, > but I have hope this system will work after 2 years of efforts. > > Tom Leue @ Homestead Inc. > > > > In a message dated 5/14/02 5:17:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << >Chuck wrote: > >"What to do with all the Glycerin? Egads! BURN IT! many, many BTU's > >there. > >Wait a minute...maybe we should pump it back into the ground where all the > >oil came from to prevent earthquakes =:-O" > > > >I agree, but how to do it safely and in a way that the useful heat can be > >recovered. I am experimenting with this, starting with a 'Mother Earth' > >waste oil furnace design (which you can get to from Keith's site). It would > >be of interest to many here if anyone has experience of burning glyc. The > >problems are to ensure a uniformly high temperature to dissociate ALL the > >acrolein and to either avoid or easily handle the 'coke'. > > > >Any takers? > > > >David T. > > > Hello David > > No takers here, no, unfortunately (circumstances forbid), but a very > interested bystander hoping you'll get takers elsewhere. I'm glad > you're taking this on, please keep us posted. > > MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater is here, by the way: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html > Mother Earth: Waste Oil Heater > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me5.html > Mother Earth: Waste Oil Heater 2 > > Regards > > Keith > >> > > > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Biofuel at WebConX > http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 230
Hey tom, great article in Homepower. Nice to see that Keith and I got mentioned in the additional info section. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 230 > I've been doing several postings on that other web site on this topic, so > here is my input on this topic. The Babington burner works great for raw oil, > ugly biodiesel, or other fluids, but it will not burn glycerol in > concentrations greater than about 20 or 25%. It seems that this stuff is > water based and just doesn't have all of the energy needed to sustain a > flame. I had considerable success last winter in burning it on a wood fire, > but by itself it would only burn the volatile part and then leave a > substantial vegetable gum residue that did not burn. > > My current plan is to build a masonry burner that maintains the 1000 degree > temperature needed for complete combusion. The Babington will keep up the > temperature using raw oil and the glycerine will be dribbled into a pan where > it should burn cleanly, leaving a mild residue ash. All of this is theory, > but I have hope this system will work after 2 years of efforts. > > Tom Leue @ Homestead Inc. > > > > In a message dated 5/14/02 5:17:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << >Chuck wrote: > >"What to do with all the Glycerin? Egads! BURN IT! many, many BTU's > >there. > >Wait a minute...maybe we should pump it back into the ground where all the > >oil came from to prevent earthquakes =:-O" > > > >I agree, but how to do it safely and in a way that the useful heat can be > >recovered. I am experimenting with this, starting with a 'Mother Earth' > >waste oil furnace design (which you can get to from Keith's site). It would > >be of interest to many here if anyone has experience of burning glyc. The > >problems are to ensure a uniformly high temperature to dissociate ALL the > >acrolein and to either avoid or easily handle the 'coke'. > > > >Any takers? > > > >David T. > > > Hello David > > No takers here, no, unfortunately (circumstances forbid), but a very > interested bystander hoping you'll get takers elsewhere. I'm glad > you're taking this on, please keep us posted. > > MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater is here, by the way: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html > Mother Earth: Waste Oil Heater > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me5.html > Mother Earth: Waste Oil Heater 2 > > Regards > > Keith > >> > > > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Biofuel at WebConX > http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 230
Tom's reply is very interesting. I have been looking at the Babington stuff too, and now realise that it would ideal for co-firing glyc. with bottled propane. The propane gas could be fed directly into the ball instead of compressed air, inter-alia saving the need for a compressor. I've not had a chance to try this, but suspect that some air would be needed as well to get the right balance of atomisation and heating value. So long as the gas pressure remains above the air pressure, it should be simple enough to meter gas into the air line. I intended to apply for a research grant on glyc. burning, and this new idea might be just the thing to hang the application on. What is the patent position? Going back to the Mother Earth drip-feed design, I hope to dilute the heated glyc with about 5% water, in the expectation that flash boiling of water in the droplets on contact with the hot plate will burst them into a finely atomised mist. David T. Tom wrote: "I've been doing several postings on that other web site on this topic, so here is my input on this topic. The Babington burner works great for raw oil, ugly biodiesel, or other fluids, but it will not burn glycerol in concentrations greater than about 20 or 25%. It seems that this stuff is water based and just doesn't have all of the energy needed to sustain a flame. I had considerable success last winter in burning it on a wood fire, but by itself it would only burn the volatile part and then leave a substantial vegetable gum residue that did not burn. My current plan is to build a masonry burner that maintains the 1000 degree temperature needed for complete combusion. The Babington will keep up the temperature using raw oil and the glycerine will be dribbled into a pan where it should burn cleanly, leaving a mild residue ash. All of this is theory, but I have hope this system will work after 2 years of efforts. Tom Leue @ Homestead Inc." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 230
I've been doing several postings on that other web site on this topic, so here is my input on this topic. The Babington burner works great for raw oil, ugly biodiesel, or other fluids, but it will not burn glycerol in concentrations greater than about 20 or 25%. It seems that this stuff is water based and just doesn't have all of the energy needed to sustain a flame. I had considerable success last winter in burning it on a wood fire, but by itself it would only burn the volatile part and then leave a substantial vegetable gum residue that did not burn. My current plan is to build a masonry burner that maintains the 1000 degree temperature needed for complete combusion. The Babington will keep up the temperature using raw oil and the glycerine will be dribbled into a pan where it should burn cleanly, leaving a mild residue ash. All of this is theory, but I have hope this system will work after 2 years of efforts. Tom Leue @ Homestead Inc. In a message dated 5/14/02 5:17:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >Chuck wrote: >"What to do with all the Glycerin? Egads! BURN IT! many, many BTU's >there. >Wait a minute...maybe we should pump it back into the ground where all the >oil came from to prevent earthquakes =:-O" > >I agree, but how to do it safely and in a way that the useful heat can be >recovered. I am experimenting with this, starting with a 'Mother Earth' >waste oil furnace design (which you can get to from Keith's site). It would >be of interest to many here if anyone has experience of burning glyc. The >problems are to ensure a uniformly high temperature to dissociate ALL the >acrolein and to either avoid or easily handle the 'coke'. > >Any takers? > >David T. Hello David No takers here, no, unfortunately (circumstances forbid), but a very interested bystander hoping you'll get takers elsewhere. I'm glad you're taking this on, please keep us posted. MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater is here, by the way: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html Mother Earth: Waste Oil Heater http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me5.html Mother Earth: Waste Oil Heater 2 Regards Keith >> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 230
And don't forget the babington burner as well. http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/babington/ Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:10 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 230 > >Chuck wrote: > >"What to do with all the Glycerin? Egads! BURN IT! many, many BTU's > >there. > >Wait a minute...maybe we should pump it back into the ground where all the > >oil came from to prevent earthquakes =:-O" > > > >I agree, but how to do it safely and in a way that the useful heat can be > >recovered. I am experimenting with this, starting with a 'Mother Earth' > >waste oil furnace design (which you can get to from Keith's site). It would > >be of interest to many here if anyone has experience of burning glyc. The > >problems are to ensure a uniformly high temperature to dissociate ALL the > >acrolein and to either avoid or easily handle the 'coke'. > > > >Any takers? > > > >David T. > > > Hello David > > No takers here, no, unfortunately (circumstances forbid), but a very > interested bystander hoping you'll get takers elsewhere. I'm glad > you're taking this on, please keep us posted. > > MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater is here, by the way: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html > Mother Earth: Waste Oil Heater > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me5.html > Mother Earth: Waste Oil Heater 2 > > Regards > > Keith > > > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Biofuel at WebConX > http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 230
>Chuck wrote: >"What to do with all the Glycerin? Egads! BURN IT! many, many BTU's >there. >Wait a minute...maybe we should pump it back into the ground where all the >oil came from to prevent earthquakes =:-O" > >I agree, but how to do it safely and in a way that the useful heat can be >recovered. I am experimenting with this, starting with a 'Mother Earth' >waste oil furnace design (which you can get to from Keith's site). It would >be of interest to many here if anyone has experience of burning glyc. The >problems are to ensure a uniformly high temperature to dissociate ALL the >acrolein and to either avoid or easily handle the 'coke'. > >Any takers? > >David T. Hello David No takers here, no, unfortunately (circumstances forbid), but a very interested bystander hoping you'll get takers elsewhere. I'm glad you're taking this on, please keep us posted. MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater is here, by the way: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html Mother Earth: Waste Oil Heater http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me5.html Mother Earth: Waste Oil Heater 2 Regards Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 230
Chuck wrote: "What to do with all the Glycerin? Egads! BURN IT! many, many BTU's there. Wait a minute...maybe we should pump it back into the ground where all the oil came from to prevent earthquakes =:-O" I agree, but how to do it safely and in a way that the useful heat can be recovered. I am experimenting with this, starting with a 'Mother Earth' waste oil furnace design (which you can get to from Keith's site). It would be of interest to many here if anyone has experience of burning glyc. The problems are to ensure a uniformly high temperature to dissociate ALL the acrolein and to either avoid or easily handle the 'coke'. Any takers? David T. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 230
Earthquakes induced by human activity have been documented in a few locations in the United States, Japan, and Canada. The cause was injection of fluids into deep wells for waste disposal and secondary recovery of oil, and the use of reservoirs for water supplies. Most of these earthquakes were minor. The largest and most widely known resulted from fluid injection at the Rocky Mountain Arsenal near Denver, Colorado. In 1967, an earthquake of magnitude 5.5 followed a series of smaller earthquakes. Injection had been discontinued at the site in the previous year once the link between the fluid injection and the earlier series of earthquakes was established. (Nicholson, Craig and Wesson, R.L., 1990, Earthquake Hazard Associated with Deep Well Injection--A Report to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency: U.S. Geological Survey Bulletin 1951, 74 p.) Don't put it back in the ground. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Chuck Ranum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 230 > What to do with all the Glycerin? Egads! BURN IT! many, many BTU's there. > Wait a minute...maybe we should pump it back into the ground where all the > oil came from to prevent earthquakes =:-O > > > > > > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Biofuel at WebConX > http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 230
What to do with all the Glycerin? Egads! BURN IT! many, many BTU's there. Wait a minute...maybe we should pump it back into the ground where all the oil came from to prevent earthquakes =:-O Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
