RE: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: [vegoil-diesel] WVO filtering tips?
Does anyone know what regular off the shelf commercial paper filter cones are rated at filter wise (how many micron)? Thanks, Ed -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 6:11 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: [vegoil-diesel] WVO filtering tips? Very nice post from Ed Beggs to the vegoil-diesel group on filtering WVO. Enjoy! Best Keith To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:20:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [vegoil-diesel] WVO filtering tips? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A few comments on this rig: A lot of contraption for doing a bit of filtering. Get the restaurant to put the oil back in the containers they get it in after it is cool enough not to be a problem. If these are translucent poly, put them in the sun for a few hours on a hot sunny day (it'll work as well as the drums), and in a few hours the sun will have it hot enough to pour through a filter. (Needs to be about 140F) That is the safest and easiest way to collect and heat oil in a warm climate. I have measured temperatures this high in translucent poly jugs after several hours on a summer day in the sun. The plastic is thin and can't handle much more than that, so placing back into the cardboard box the oil jugs originally come in, before lifting and pouring, would be good idea for safer handling. Or use the pump. We also have a very good, and inexpensive hand operated plastic transfer pump available that will handle chemicals as well as oil. I have not posted it yet, but will put on our site soon. Pumps on both up and down strokes. Fast and easy for those on a limited budget that don't want to buy the electric pump. - Decant into filter cone. Use. Discard the jug or send it for recycling. --- I started out using those bag filters, and built a nice stand out of plywood, tall enough to put a metal pail under. Cleaning them out got to be a pain. Even took them to the carwash one night in frustration, and pressure washed them in the car mat holders. That worked, but left a bit of a slippery film on the floor - not good. Just a nuisance, overall, so stopped using them a long time ago. Then we went to a few different pumps and filters - hydraulic pump and filters, a stainless restaurant oil recycling machine, etc. Really fancy ideas on filtering, and it cost us some money. Guess what... Paper filter cones are best, and the ones we have filter down to as low as 0.5 microns. The little transfer pump with the right kit on it works fine, for both filtering and for filling the tank. Our machines, bag filters, hydraulic pumps, cartridge filters, most of the steel drums, and even the old diesel fuel pump from a service station that we picked up, are all sitting unused. Fortunately, we scrounged all this stuff very cheap, so not a lot of dollars invested, and we will get most or all back on resale (anyone want to buy it after reading this I thought not! Well, the pumps are nice if anyone wants a nice pump for higher volume use). Save yourself a lot of trouble and mess. Collect in the jugs. Heat by some SAFE means. Filter with these paper cones. That works for anyone that is using a normal amount of oil. If you are using big volumes, maybe do something else, but we run three vehicles with this setup and it works very well. We use two drums as well, one for heating, and another for clean storage of filtered oil. The oil is pre-settled a few weeks in the jugs it came in, then into the heating drum. BE CAREFUL HEATING! If you can't use the sun and are going to use immersion type heater, heating element, etc. the surface temperature of the element can easily be higher than the flash point of the oil. If the oil goes below the level of the element and the element is still on and hot, you will have a FIRE. Also do not heat oil that has much water in it, and heat up slowly,especially if you plan to heat above BP of water. The water under the oil can be heated to steam and will then suddenly erupt violently, spewing hot oil everywhere! Wear appropriate gear, keep a fire blanket and a fire extinguisher at hand, and never leave unattended. Solar is safest if you can do it that way. Regards, Edward Beggs, BES, MSc www.biofuels.ca --- RE: Pump - most transfer pumps made for diesel fuel will not handle the higher viscosity of vegoil for very long and the motor will burn out. Also, a transfer pump that is made for water needs to be fitted with the oil resistant kit, otherwise the impeller and seals will let go in short order, if pumping hot oil. -- Two drums of oil strapped onto a utility trailer behind a POS Chevette is a fair bit of weight for the brakes on that car - be aware of the need to stop - pulling for a diesel is easy, but they will pull a lot more than the brakes
Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: [vegoil-diesel] WVO filtering tips?
10-30 range is what I have been told, for good restaurant fryer oil cones. Regards, Edward Beggs, BES, MSc www.biofuels.ca on 5/21/02 12:17 PM, Hall, Edward C. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know what regular off the shelf commercial paper filter cones are rated at filter wise (how many micron)? Thanks, Ed -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 6:11 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: [vegoil-diesel] WVO filtering tips? Very nice post from Ed Beggs to the vegoil-diesel group on filtering WVO. Enjoy! Best Keith To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:20:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [vegoil-diesel] WVO filtering tips? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A few comments on this rig: A lot of contraption for doing a bit of filtering. Get the restaurant to put the oil back in the containers they get it in after it is cool enough not to be a problem. If these are translucent poly, put them in the sun for a few hours on a hot sunny day (it'll work as well as the drums), and in a few hours the sun will have it hot enough to pour through a filter. (Needs to be about 140F) That is the safest and easiest way to collect and heat oil in a warm climate. I have measured temperatures this high in translucent poly jugs after several hours on a summer day in the sun. The plastic is thin and can't handle much more than that, so placing back into the cardboard box the oil jugs originally come in, before lifting and pouring, would be good idea for safer handling. Or use the pump. We also have a very good, and inexpensive hand operated plastic transfer pump available that will handle chemicals as well as oil. I have not posted it yet, but will put on our site soon. Pumps on both up and down strokes. Fast and easy for those on a limited budget that don't want to buy the electric pump. - Decant into filter cone. Use. Discard the jug or send it for recycling. --- I started out using those bag filters, and built a nice stand out of plywood, tall enough to put a metal pail under. Cleaning them out got to be a pain. Even took them to the carwash one night in frustration, and pressure washed them in the car mat holders. That worked, but left a bit of a slippery film on the floor - not good. Just a nuisance, overall, so stopped using them a long time ago. Then we went to a few different pumps and filters - hydraulic pump and filters, a stainless restaurant oil recycling machine, etc. Really fancy ideas on filtering, and it cost us some money. Guess what... Paper filter cones are best, and the ones we have filter down to as low as 0.5 microns. The little transfer pump with the right kit on it works fine, for both filtering and for filling the tank. Our machines, bag filters, hydraulic pumps, cartridge filters, most of the steel drums, and even the old diesel fuel pump from a service station that we picked up, are all sitting unused. Fortunately, we scrounged all this stuff very cheap, so not a lot of dollars invested, and we will get most or all back on resale (anyone want to buy it after reading this I thought not! Well, the pumps are nice if anyone wants a nice pump for higher volume use). Save yourself a lot of trouble and mess. Collect in the jugs. Heat by some SAFE means. Filter with these paper cones. That works for anyone that is using a normal amount of oil. If you are using big volumes, maybe do something else, but we run three vehicles with this setup and it works very well. We use two drums as well, one for heating, and another for clean storage of filtered oil. The oil is pre-settled a few weeks in the jugs it came in, then into the heating drum. BE CAREFUL HEATING! If you can't use the sun and are going to use immersion type heater, heating element, etc. the surface temperature of the element can easily be higher than the flash point of the oil. If the oil goes below the level of the element and the element is still on and hot, you will have a FIRE. Also do not heat oil that has much water in it, and heat up slowly,especially if you plan to heat above BP of water. The water under the oil can be heated to steam and will then suddenly erupt violently, spewing hot oil everywhere! Wear appropriate gear, keep a fire blanket and a fire extinguisher at hand, and never leave unattended. Solar is safest if you can do it that way. Regards, Edward Beggs, BES, MSc www.biofuels.ca --- RE: Pump - most transfer pumps made for diesel fuel will not handle the higher viscosity of vegoil for very long and the motor will burn out. Also, a transfer pump that is made for water needs to be fitted with the oil
[biofuel] RE: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: [vegoil-diesel] WVO filtering tips?
Does anyone know what regular off the shelf commercial paper filter cones are rated at filter wise (how many micron)? Thanks, Ed -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 6:11 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: [vegoil-diesel] WVO filtering tips? Very nice post from Ed Beggs to the vegoil-diesel group on filtering WVO. Enjoy! Best Keith To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:20:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [vegoil-diesel] WVO filtering tips? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A few comments on this rig: A lot of contraption for doing a bit of filtering. Get the restaurant to put the oil back in the containers they get it in after it is cool enough not to be a problem. If these are translucent poly, put them in the sun for a few hours on a hot sunny day (it'll work as well as the drums), and in a few hours the sun will have it hot enough to pour through a filter. (Needs to be about 140F) That is the safest and easiest way to collect and heat oil in a warm climate. I have measured temperatures this high in translucent poly jugs after several hours on a summer day in the sun. The plastic is thin and can't handle much more than that, so placing back into the cardboard box the oil jugs originally come in, before lifting and pouring, would be good idea for safer handling. Or use the pump. We also have a very good, and inexpensive hand operated plastic transfer pump available that will handle chemicals as well as oil. I have not posted it yet, but will put on our site soon. Pumps on both up and down strokes. Fast and easy for those on a limited budget that don't want to buy the electric pump. - Decant into filter cone. Use. Discard the jug or send it for recycling. --- I started out using those bag filters, and built a nice stand out of plywood, tall enough to put a metal pail under. Cleaning them out got to be a pain. Even took them to the carwash one night in frustration, and pressure washed them in the car mat holders. That worked, but left a bit of a slippery film on the floor - not good. Just a nuisance, overall, so stopped using them a long time ago. Then we went to a few different pumps and filters - hydraulic pump and filters, a stainless restaurant oil recycling machine, etc. Really fancy ideas on filtering, and it cost us some money. Guess what... Paper filter cones are best, and the ones we have filter down to as low as 0.5 microns. The little transfer pump with the right kit on it works fine, for both filtering and for filling the tank. Our machines, bag filters, hydraulic pumps, cartridge filters, most of the steel drums, and even the old diesel fuel pump from a service station that we picked up, are all sitting unused. Fortunately, we scrounged all this stuff very cheap, so not a lot of dollars invested, and we will get most or all back on resale (anyone want to buy it after reading this I thought not! Well, the pumps are nice if anyone wants a nice pump for higher volume use). Save yourself a lot of trouble and mess. Collect in the jugs. Heat by some SAFE means. Filter with these paper cones. That works for anyone that is using a normal amount of oil. If you are using big volumes, maybe do something else, but we run three vehicles with this setup and it works very well. We use two drums as well, one for heating, and another for clean storage of filtered oil. The oil is pre-settled a few weeks in the jugs it came in, then into the heating drum. BE CAREFUL HEATING! If you can't use the sun and are going to use immersion type heater, heating element, etc. the surface temperature of the element can easily be higher than the flash point of the oil. If the oil goes below the level of the element and the element is still on and hot, you will have a FIRE. Also do not heat oil that has much water in it, and heat up slowly,especially if you plan to heat above BP of water. The water under the oil can be heated to steam and will then suddenly erupt violently, spewing hot oil everywhere! Wear appropriate gear, keep a fire blanket and a fire extinguisher at hand, and never leave unattended. Solar is safest if you can do it that way. Regards, Edward Beggs, BES, MSc www.biofuels.ca --- RE: Pump - most transfer pumps made for diesel fuel will not handle the higher viscosity of vegoil for very long and the motor will burn out. Also, a transfer pump that is made for water needs to be fitted with the oil resistant kit, otherwise the impeller and seals will let go in short order, if pumping hot oil. -- Two drums of oil strapped onto a utility trailer behind a POS Chevette is a fair bit of weight for the brakes on that car - be aware of the need to stop - pulling for a diesel is easy, but they will pull a lot more than the brakes
