RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ
What's this washed ceramic filter? The links I read about making biodiesel don't say anything about filtering. Ken I'm also wondering if they are referring to a distillation process. When I recently heard about glass doughnuts used in glass columns to collect hydrogen peroxide, I tried to find a few. My associate thought that they may be referring to Raschig Rings and I copied out an ad from a chemical supply company about the rings as seen below. Ceramic rings have been mentioned in the past. However, the ones used in the peroxide capture column were clear glass. Since one biofuel ethanol producer suggests using marbles in the three inch still, I thought the glass doughnuts could offer more surface area. Most of the distillers talk about stainless steel scrubbers. Cost and effectiveness are important. More information is appreciated. Peggy PURPOSE AND BENEFITS AquaVet's Raschig Rings are an efficient biological and coarse mechanical filtration product for use in closed system aquaculture. They are particularly appropriate for high flow power filters, with either open or enclosed filter cartridges, because Raschig Rings easily handle high water flow rates and resist clogging. The rings break up the water flow through the filter, preventing channeling or bypassing of the water around the filter materials. Raschig Rings provide an excellent mechanical filtration, promote extensive biological filtration, and enhance the effectiveness of subsequent filter materials. BIOLOGICAL FILTRATION Raschig Rings have proven extremely effective in promoting biological filtration, because they are an exceptionally good base for nitrifying bacteria. Constructed of a porous ceramic stoneware; Raschig Rings possesses a positive electronic change, so slight it is generally unnoticed, which attracts the nitrifying bacteria needed for biological filtration. The open ring or noodle shape, combined with the porous nature of the stoneware, provide a tremendous surface area which can support a population of billions of bacteria in a relatively small filter compartment area. MECHANICAL FILTRATION Raschig Rings are a very effective mechanical filtering material, especially in coarse screening. Mechanically the filter rings break up the water flow through the filter forcing the water flow to spread evenly without channeling or bypassing or clogging the filter materials. The rings regain and entrap large particles of debris which are worn down by water turbulence and bacterial action. SPECIFICATIONS Raschig Rings are constructed of high-temperature-furnace-fired ceramic stoneware rings with hollow centers, approximately 9/16 (15 mm) in diameter and 5/8 (16 mm) in over all length. Each filter ring has a little over 1 square inch of outer surface area; 1 lb. of Raschig Rings contains about 300 filter rings, with 300 sq. inches of available outer surface area. These figures do not consider the microscopic small surface cavities and porosity of the ceramic material. There are about 10,000 Raschig Rings per cubic foot, with about 10,000 sq. inches of available outer surface area. The approximate weight per cubic foot of Raschig Rings is 55 lbs. Packed Raschig Rings have about 65% free space. STABILITY Raschig Rings are durable, long lasting, and stable indefinitely. They require no special handling procedures. Raschig Rings require only a periodic rinsing to remain effective. Washing and treating with soap, household cleansers, and cleaning chemicals do not interfere with its electronic charge. COMPATIBILITIES Raschig Rings do not affect, and are not affected by water quality, medications, or water conditioners. Raschig Rings are nontoxic and harmless to plants, fishes and invertebrates. Subject: Re: FW: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ --- Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sounds reasonable but what causes this wax component, Is this unsufficient washing? JLB - Original Message - From: Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:24 AM Subject: RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ it soudnss almosst as if you have soome wax componednt theat comes out at jusst that top of the fence temp, few degreess either way, i migh chill a small sample, run it thru a washed ceramic filter the try to figureee from ther, buck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:36:39 +0900 Another problem email. I hope we'll sort this out soon. - Keith From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:29:32 +0200 - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jan Lieuwe Bolding To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:06 PM Subject
RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ
Subject: Re: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ What's this washed ceramic filter? The links I read about making biodiesel don't say anything about filtering. Ken Hello Ken, Yesterday I met with a person who said that a petroleum products company makes hydrogen peroxide as a byproduct from plastics manufacturing and sells it to the paper industry. He said that their tall glass columns are filled with glass doughnuts to capture the peroxide. I would very much like to know where to obtain these glass doughnuts. Does anyone have any information? Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ
What's this washed ceramic filter? The links I read about making biodiesel don't say anything about filtering. Ken --- Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sounds reasonable but what causes this wax component, Is this unsufficient washing? JLB - Original Message - From: Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:24 AM Subject: RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ it soudnss almosst as if you have soome wax componednt theat comes out at jusst that top of the fence temp, few degreess either way, i migh chill a small sample, run it thru a washed ceramic filter the try to figureee from ther, buck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:36:39 +0900 Another problem email. I hope we'll sort this out soon. - Keith From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:29:32 +0200 - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jan Lieuwe Bolding To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel I have seen clear Bio-Diesel from the Awwcid - Base proces getting cloudy(hazy) when I mix It with regular Diesel when I want to produce B20 or higher. When I heat It to approx 40 °C or filtrate with Seitz K1000 filtrationplates It becomes clear again. I have determined the water-content of the BD with a Karl Fisher titrator to be approx. 0.3%. My theory is that a component of the BD is not solluable in regular Diesel and by mixing them can be filtered out, because by adding more BD It gets cloudy again and by adding more regular Diesel It stays clear. Can someone confirm this theory? Jan Lieuwe Bolding Chemical Engineer The Netherlands - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Greg Harbican To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel It warmed up, and, what ever it was that was making it cloudy went back in to solution. My guess is that you didn't have a complete reaction, I say this because of your low PH, if I remember right, good BioDiesel has a near neutral Ph ( 7 ). Did you let it cool down and if so did it become cloudy again? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Jeff To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 13:02 Subject: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel I wonder why it stayed cloudy untill it sat in the sun for a couple of minutes. Any ideas? Jeff ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ
That sounds reasonable but what causes this wax component, Is this unsufficient washing? JLB - Original Message - From: Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:24 AM Subject: RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ it soudnss almosst as if you have soome wax componednt theat comes out at jusst that top of the fence temp, few degreess either way, i migh chill a small sample, run it thru a washed ceramic filter the try to figureee from ther, buck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:36:39 +0900 Another problem email. I hope we'll sort this out soon. - Keith From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:29:32 +0200 - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jan Lieuwe Bolding To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel I have seen clear Bio-Diesel from the Awwcid - Base proces getting cloudy(hazy) when I mix It with regular Diesel when I want to produce B20 or higher. When I heat It to approx 40 ¡C or filtrate with Seitz K1000 filtrationplates It becomes clear again. I have determined the water-content of the BD with a Karl Fisher titrator to be approx. 0.3%. My theory is that a component of the BD is not solluable in regular Diesel and by mixing them can be filtered out, because by adding more BD It gets cloudy again and by adding more regular Diesel It stays clear. Can someone confirm this theory? Jan Lieuwe Bolding Chemical Engineer The Netherlands - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Greg Harbican To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel It warmed up, and, what ever it was that was making it cloudy went back in to solution. My guess is that you didn't have a complete reaction, I say this because of your low PH, if I remember right, good BioDiesel has a near neutral Ph ( 7 ). Did you let it cool down and if so did it become cloudy again? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Jeff To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 13:02 Subject: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel I wonder why it stayed cloudy untill it sat in the sun for a couple of minutes. Any ideas? Jeff ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ
it soudnss almosst as if you have soome wax componednt theat comes out at jusst that top of the fence temp, few degreess either way, i migh chill a small sample, run it thru a washed ceramic filter the try to figureee from ther, buck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:36:39 +0900 Another problem email. I hope we'll sort this out soon. - Keith From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:29:32 +0200 - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jan Lieuwe Bolding To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel I have seen clear Bio-Diesel from the Awwcid - Base proces getting cloudy(hazy) when I mix It with regular Diesel when I want to produce B20 or higher. When I heat It to approx 40 ¡C or filtrate with Seitz K1000 filtrationplates It becomes clear again. I have determined the water-content of the BD with a Karl Fisher titrator to be approx. 0.3%. My theory is that a component of the BD is not solluable in regular Diesel and by mixing them can be filtered out, because by adding more BD It gets cloudy again and by adding more regular Diesel It stays clear. Can someone confirm this theory? Jan Lieuwe Bolding Chemical Engineer The Netherlands - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Greg Harbican To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel It warmed up, and, what ever it was that was making it cloudy went back in to solution. My guess is that you didn't have a complete reaction, I say this because of your low PH, if I remember right, good BioDiesel has a near neutral Ph ( 7 ). Did you let it cool down and if so did it become cloudy again? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Jeff To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 13:02 Subject: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel I wonder why it stayed cloudy untill it sat in the sun for a couple of minutes. Any ideas? Jeff ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
