Re: re erucic acid in rapeseed oil, also re snake oil, WAS Re:[Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL
Hello Keith, Thank you for your interest in my post. I like to find the stories behind societal beliefs like this that have so often been accepted without question. It's MOST important to do that, IMO. We rely on the 4th Estate (of which I'm a lifelong member) to do that for us, that's their role and essential function, but (though the exceptions are many and honorable) there's no need for me to say how derelict they've become in this duty, especially over the last few decades. It's always been a "kept" press, of course, owned by the very interests it's supposed to protect society against. So we have to find out for ourselves, or be at the mercy of inimical forces that are too often little short of sociopathic. Fortunately it's almost always possible to do that, with a bit of tenacity and scepticism, especially with the Internet - the Internet will save us all, the first true leveller. Truly something new under the sun. I find it annoying when I find yet another example of my having been manipulated to suit someone else's agenda. Oh yes! Very annoying! On the other hand, I'm glad that I found it so that I can "update" my thinking. And I thank you and everyone else on this list in helping to stretch and broaden my mind with your postings! Thankyou Joanne. I was pleased to see this because quite a few thing about it have puzzled me, and of course the difference between rapeseed and canola have often been discussed, with much confusion, and not much clarity on the erucic acid issue itself. Best regards Keith Thank you, Joanne "Re-examine all you have been told. Dismiss that which insults your soul." - Walt Whitman - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: Re: re erucic acid in rapeseed oil, also re snake oil, WAS Re:[Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL Hello Joanne Very interesting, thanks very much for taking the trouble. Hello to Kirk and List, The following is some further information that I think is worth considering. I have not heard of any contradictory information to this since the book was first published. It took awhile to get written permission from the publisher to extract two entire chapters from the book, then it took me another while to get them typed Typed?! Yikes - you need a scanner! and cobbled together to send to the list. My apologies for not getting this done in a more timely manner. Never mind, we're all still here. :-) Except Kirk, actually, who's away right now, but I'll send it to him to make sure he sees it. Thanks again. Keith Thank you, Joanne - Original Message - From: "Kirk McLoren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL >>snip > Chickens fed rapeseed and calves given rapeseed oil do not prosper. > Rapeseed oil naturally contains a high percentage (30-60%) of erucic > acid, > a substance associated with heart lesions in laboratory animals. For > this > reason rapeseed oil was not used for consumption in the United States > prior to 1974, although it was used in other countries. (Americans > chose > to use it as a lubricant to maintain Allied naval and merchant ships > during World War II.) > In 1974, rapeseed varieties with a low erucic content were introduced. > Scientists had found a way to replace almost all of rapeseed's erucic > acid > with oleic acid, a type of monounsaturated fatty acid. (This change was > accomplished through the cross-breeding of plants, not by the > techniques > commonly referred to as "genetic engineering.") By 1978, all Canadian > rapeseed produced for food use contained less than 2% erucic acid. The > Canadian seed oil industry rechristened the product "canola oil" > (Canadian > oil) in 1978 in an attempt to distance the product from negative > associations with the word "rape." > > Why ingest any erucic acid? Economics as usual. As for me and my family > we > minimize the use of Canada Oil except as motor fuel. >>end snip [From the book Fats that Heal Fats that Kill by Udo Erasmus, with permission from Alive Publishing Group Inc., Canada. www.alive.com] "Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill" by Udo Erasmus Copyright 1986, 1993 Second Edition, Fifteenth Printing - May 2004 Chapter 20 Erucic Acid: Toxic or Beneficial? Chapter 56 Snake Oil (EPA) and Patent Medicines ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: re erucic acid in rapeseed oil, also re snake oil, WAS Re:[Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL
Thank you for your interest in my post. I like to find the stories behind societal beliefs like this that have so often been accepted without question. I find it annoying when I find yet another example of my having been manipulated to suit someone else's agenda. On the other hand, I'm glad that I found it so that I can "update" my thinking. And I thank you and everyone else on this list in helping to stretch and broaden my mind with your postings! Thank you, Joanne "Re-examine all you have been told. Dismiss that which insults your soul." - Walt Whitman - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: Re: re erucic acid in rapeseed oil, also re snake oil, WAS Re:[Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL Hello Joanne Very interesting, thanks very much for taking the trouble. Hello to Kirk and List, The following is some further information that I think is worth considering. I have not heard of any contradictory information to this since the book was first published. It took awhile to get written permission from the publisher to extract two entire chapters from the book, then it took me another while to get them typed Typed?! Yikes - you need a scanner! and cobbled together to send to the list. My apologies for not getting this done in a more timely manner. Never mind, we're all still here. :-) Except Kirk, actually, who's away right now, but I'll send it to him to make sure he sees it. Thanks again. Keith Thank you, Joanne - Original Message - From: "Kirk McLoren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL >>snip > Chickens fed rapeseed and calves given rapeseed oil do not prosper. > Rapeseed oil naturally contains a high percentage (30-60%) of erucic > acid, > a substance associated with heart lesions in laboratory animals. For > this > reason rapeseed oil was not used for consumption in the United States > prior to 1974, although it was used in other countries. (Americans > chose > to use it as a lubricant to maintain Allied naval and merchant ships > during World War II.) > In 1974, rapeseed varieties with a low erucic content were introduced. > Scientists had found a way to replace almost all of rapeseed's erucic > acid > with oleic acid, a type of monounsaturated fatty acid. (This change was > accomplished through the cross-breeding of plants, not by the > techniques > commonly referred to as "genetic engineering.") By 1978, all Canadian > rapeseed produced for food use contained less than 2% erucic acid. The > Canadian seed oil industry rechristened the product "canola oil" > (Canadian > oil) in 1978 in an attempt to distance the product from negative > associations with the word "rape." > > Why ingest any erucic acid? Economics as usual. As for me and my family > we > minimize the use of Canada Oil except as motor fuel. >>end snip [From the book Fats that Heal Fats that Kill by Udo Erasmus, with permission from Alive Publishing Group Inc., Canada. www.alive.com] "Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill" by Udo Erasmus Copyright 1986, 1993 Second Edition, Fifteenth Printing - May 2004 Chapter 20 Erucic Acid: Toxic or Beneficial? Chapter 56 Snake Oil (EPA) and Patent Medicines ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: re erucic acid in rapeseed oil, also re snake oil, WAS Re: [Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL
Very interesting, thanks very much for taking the trouble. Hello to Kirk and List, The following is some further information that I think is worth considering. I have not heard of any contradictory information to this since the book was first published. It took awhile to get written permission from the publisher to extract two entire chapters from the book, then it took me another while to get them typed Typed?! Yikes - you need a scanner! and cobbled together to send to the list. My apologies for not getting this done in a more timely manner. Never mind, we're all still here. :-) Except Kirk, actually, who's away right now, but I'll send it to him to make sure he sees it. Thanks again. Keith Thank you, Joanne - Original Message - From: "Kirk McLoren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL >>snip > Chickens fed rapeseed and calves given rapeseed oil do not prosper. > Rapeseed oil naturally contains a high percentage (30-60%) of erucic acid, > a substance associated with heart lesions in laboratory animals. For this > reason rapeseed oil was not used for consumption in the United States > prior to 1974, although it was used in other countries. (Americans chose > to use it as a lubricant to maintain Allied naval and merchant ships > during World War II.) > In 1974, rapeseed varieties with a low erucic content were introduced. > Scientists had found a way to replace almost all of rapeseed's erucic acid > with oleic acid, a type of monounsaturated fatty acid. (This change was > accomplished through the cross-breeding of plants, not by the techniques > commonly referred to as "genetic engineering.") By 1978, all Canadian > rapeseed produced for food use contained less than 2% erucic acid. The > Canadian seed oil industry rechristened the product "canola oil" (Canadian > oil) in 1978 in an attempt to distance the product from negative > associations with the word "rape." > > Why ingest any erucic acid? Economics as usual. As for me and my family we > minimize the use of Canada Oil except as motor fuel. >>end snip [From the book Fats that Heal Fats that Kill by Udo Erasmus, with permission from Alive Publishing Group Inc., Canada. www.alive.com] "Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill" by Udo Erasmus Copyright 1986, 1993 Second Edition, Fifteenth Printing - May 2004 Chapter 20 Erucic Acid: Toxic or Beneficial? Chapter 56 Snake Oil (EPA) and Patent Medicines ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
re erucic acid in rapeseed oil, also re snake oil, WAS Re: [Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL
Hello to Kirk and List, The following is some further information that I think is worth considering. I have not heard of any contradictory information to this since the book was first published. It took awhile to get written permission from the publisher to extract two entire chapters from the book, then it took me another while to get them typed and cobbled together to send to the list. My apologies for not getting this done in a more timely manner. Thank you, Joanne - Original Message - From: "Kirk McLoren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL >>snip > Chickens fed rapeseed and calves given rapeseed oil do not prosper. > Rapeseed oil naturally contains a high percentage (30-60%) of erucic acid, > a substance associated with heart lesions in laboratory animals. For this > reason rapeseed oil was not used for consumption in the United States > prior to 1974, although it was used in other countries. (Americans chose > to use it as a lubricant to maintain Allied naval and merchant ships > during World War II.) > In 1974, rapeseed varieties with a low erucic content were introduced. > Scientists had found a way to replace almost all of rapeseed's erucic acid > with oleic acid, a type of monounsaturated fatty acid. (This change was > accomplished through the cross-breeding of plants, not by the techniques > commonly referred to as "genetic engineering.") By 1978, all Canadian > rapeseed produced for food use contained less than 2% erucic acid. The > Canadian seed oil industry rechristened the product "canola oil" (Canadian > oil) in 1978 in an attempt to distance the product from negative > associations with the word "rape." > > Why ingest any erucic acid? Economics as usual. As for me and my family we > minimize the use of Canada Oil except as motor fuel. >>end snip [From the book Fats that Heal Fats that Kill by Udo Erasmus, with permission from Alive Publishing Group Inc., Canada. www.alive.com] "Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill" by Udo Erasmus Copyright 1986, 1993 Second Edition, Fifteenth Printing - May 2004 Chapter 20 Erucic Acid: Toxic or Beneficial? Chapter 56 Snake Oil (EPA) and Patent Medicines These two chapters from the book are reproduced and transmitted with written permission of the publisher. Published by: Alive Books, 7432 Fraser Park Drive, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5B9 Tel: (604) 425-1919, 1-800-663-6580 www.alive.com Erucic Acid: Toxic or Beneficial? Rape and mustard seed oils contain erucic acid, a 22-carbon, once unsaturated fatty acid (22:1w9). In rats, these oils cause fatty degeneration of the heart, kidney, adrenals, and thyroid. If a rat diet persistently contains erucic acid, the rat compensates for its presence by making enzymes that shorten the fatty acid chain from 22 carbons to 18 or less, but during the time that elapses before these enzymes become active, fatty deposits occur in the hearts of these animals. Although the fatty deposits are removed after some time, permanent scar tissue remains. >From 1956 to 1974, oils made from rape seed containing up to 40% eruric acid >were marketed for human consumption in Canada. In response to government >concerns about the results of the rat studies, geneticists bred new varieties >of low eruric acid rapeseed (LEAR) containing less than 5% eruric acid. These >are now known as canola (the Canadian Oil). The Canadian government and industry spent $50 million to get the Canadian oil onto the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s ‘Generally Recognized As Safe’ (GRAS) list. They succeeded in this venture. The Canadian government outlawed the import of high erucic acid rape and mustard seed oils for human consumption. Taxpayers footed much of the bill. Oops! When researchers repeated the rape seed oil studies with rats, but used sunflower seed oil (which contains no erucic acid), the rats ended up having the same problems. It turns out that rats do not metabolize fats and oils well. Their natural diet is low-fat vegetables and grains. Rat fat metabolism differs substantially from fat metabolism in humans. Contrary to the Canadian government’s assumption in this case, humans are not rats, at least with regard to the complexities of fat metabolism. Human studies should have been done before the money was spent and the changes in the law were made. Nevertheless, a huge new industry was created. Laws were enacted affecting international trade, commerce, and traditional diets. A new oil was invented and marketed, and a new lobby was created. All of this was based on an error of interpretation of research results from animal studies – the risky assumption that research results from animal studies can be generalized willy nilly to humans. Vindication? Eruric acid has been partially vindicated. It does not cause the same problems in the hearts of humans as it does in rat hear
