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[svg-developers] Re: Question

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I have corrected your document.



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[svg-developers] Re: Mozilla/Firefox Issue, Please Help

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--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "academyhtml"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Would somebody be able to provide an example of what was suggested
> previously within the framework of the code I posted earlier:
> 
> > >embed name=svgFile1... (in the html)
> > >svgdoc = svgFile1.getSVGDocument(); (in the js)
> 

01.  Jonathon's helpful suggestion means you have to code something
like this:





I realize that even this snippet only adds to the confusion, but see 
http://wiki.svg.org/index.php/EmbedingSvgInHTML for a thoughtful
discussion about why the method of embedding the  is client agent
peculiar.

Then, in your JavaScript, you would replace your:

var svgDoc = svgFile1.getSVGDocument();

with

var svgDoc = HTMLObjectElement.contentDocument.defaultView;

Unfortunately Jonathon's suggestion does not fix our problem. When you
open the Firfox JavaScript Console instead of seeing:

Error: SVGObject is not defined

you will see:

Error: HTMLObjectElement.contentDocument has no properties
   
02.  Now for the really bad news.  Even if you had coded the way Adobe
recommended at http://www.adobe.com/svg/demos/colorpicker/colorpicker.html

var svgDoc = document.svgFile1.getSVGDocument();

you would have seen:

Error: document.SVGObject.getSVGDocument is not a function

That might have caused you to find recommendations like:

var svgDoc = document.embeds["svgFile1"].getSVGDocument();
or
var svgDoc = document.embeds[0].getSVGDocument();

but don't waste your time.  There is NO documented way to gain a
proper reference to the  tag content from the  script
engine when using ASV6 with Firefox.

03.  I do not know what the problem is.  I have posted to every
reputable site and filed a bug with Adobe.  For some reason, unknown
to me, there is a purposeful hiding of the  elements from the
DOM.  If, instead of relying on the JavaScript Console, you use the
wonderful DOM Inspector, it becomes clear.  Where a node ought to have
content, there is merely #text.  That is what is preventing us from
being able to use  controls to work with  content.

What is especially maddening is that what you want to do is possible
when using the ASV with the dreaded IE.  It's almost as if the most
esteemed members of the Open Source world -- Mozilla and Adobe -- are
sitting by while the Microsoft juggernaut moves forward on all the
fronts necessary for creating rich clients.  Mozzila's native SVG
scripting engine promises to open up the  DOM to the parent
scripting engine, but just go to the W3C pages for SVG compliance and
you see Mozilla sitting way way to the right with a lot of red colors.
 Adobe obviously has a good implementation, but what reason can there
be for beta code that is two years old.  Where is the commitment to
the need for implementing  and  solutions today.

04.  Finally, you will find in the those wonderful examples from the
books in 2002 the suggestion that you 'push' a reference from  up
to  since, as we have seen, going from  down is not
working for the browser-plug-in that we most want to deploy.  Those
examples will show something like:


   

Re: [svg-developers] Re: adroit maps.google.com/maps

[Philippe Lhoste]

Kerry Coffin wrote:
> Andreas,
>  
> I think you're right.  VML is not used in the map generation on the
> client side

Well, the HTML source and the help page claims that Google Map works on 
Mozilla/Firefox as well as on Internet Explorer, so VML is out of the 
way. Perhaps the trace on the header was a tentative and then forgotten.

> My browser constantly says:  picture downloading  .. 48 items remaining,
> etc.

Strangely, all I got with IE5.5 is a JavaScript error: this.map is Null 
or is not an object.
The app. works for me with Mozilla 1.7.
And it works fine, it is very responsive, even on my old computer (with 
ADSL, though).
The bubble that is shown when clicking on a requested location (like 
bookstore) looks like an overLIB  
popup .

> The html source says that javascript is the only thing that the browser
> needs to support.

A good JS engine, perhaps ;-|

Too bad it is too US centric, currently...

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RE: [svg-developers] Re: adroit maps.google.com/maps

[Kerry Coffin]

Andreas,
 
I think you're right.  VML is not used in the map generation on the
client side
My browser constantly says:  picture downloading  .. 48 items remaining,
etc.
 
The html source says that javascript is the only thing that the browser
needs to support.
 
 
Kerry
 
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To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] Re: adroit maps.google.com/maps
 

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "welkerpaul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> 
> Andreas,
>   you'll need IE5.5+ to get vml.

well, I have IE6.0.28 but can't see any VML. Is VML in IE 6.0 as well?

As far as I understand the google up, everything is in raster tiles.
The bubbles may be divs, etc. - I can't see any VML. Can you show me
any VML source snippets in the source of the client app?

> This app is crazy fast with little effort within ie. Sug: the little 
> gifs are ready on server + iexplorer gives them the ability to 
> present this glossy responsive ui. (DirectX image processing , vml 
> graphing, info bubble, etcpp., with transparency all over the 
> place...)
> (Not worth mentioning ie doesn't rasterize vml for printing.)

well, but the data is already in raster ;-)

> Same thing has been tried with svg many times. Many times it got 
> spoiled by unacceptable performance, workarounds leading to 
> cluttered design, complicated plugin/browser integration and 
> fragmentary printing support (add custom act of desperation
> here...). 

well I know quite a few SVG mapping apps that perform well. But
probably not every one can afford big servers like Google or MS ...

> It's odds on that it is not going to happen..

how do you know? are you a google insider?

> PS: Google is a great company, still they cannot ignore their user 
> base. Companies hardly turn down money on religious browser 
> questions?

so, why do they hire firefox developers to continue their work on the
firefox browser?

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RE: [svg-developers] Re: adroit maps.google.com/maps

[Doug Schepers]

Hi, Paul-

welkerpaul wrote:
| 
[snip]
| 
| Doug
|   mapping apps are quite often about request+instant 
| response: I cannot see any sensible usecase concerning flash. 

I don't see why not. Flash has clientside interactivity, and server
interaction. I've seen quite responsive Flash maps. What evidence do you
have to support your assumption? 

[snip]

| Same thing has been tried with svg many times. Many times it 
| got spoiled by unacceptable performance, workarounds leading 
| to cluttered design,

Many times it was spoiled, or every time? I have seen maps (specifically by
Andreas' organization) that performed perfectly well; this seems to belie
your claim.

| complicated plugin/browser integration 

The theoretical use case I was describing was one with native support for
SVG in the browser, much as IE has native VML support. You're talking about
a particular implementation of and SVG UA, not SVG. In any case, the board
is changing.

BTW, the current Google map performs just about as well with FF, using a
different technology, so VML is not the key... Good programming is.

| and fragmentary printing support (add custom act of 
| desperation here...). 

I'm not sure what you mean here.


| Svg is not to blame for it. 
| If Svg wouldn't be there, MS vml would have become apparent 
| all over the place? 

In a very real way, SVG is a direct descendant of VML, and has very similar
syntax in many places.


| My point: Googlemaps implemented in svg would have been the 
| killer showcase for svg. 
| 
| It's odds on that it is not going to happen..

And you base these odds on what factors?


| Regards
| Paul
| 
| PS: Google is a great company, still they cannot ignore their 
| user base.

The ignore their user base all the time. Look at how long it took them to
fix security bugs that Jim Ley pointed out years ago.


| Companies hardly turn down money on religious 
| browser questions?

I'm not talking about a religious issue, I'm talking about a pragmatic one.
MS doesn't support VML anymore. SVG is gaining acceptance on mobile devices,
in Mozilla browsers, and with an upcoming improved plugin from Adobe
(presumably ;).

Regards-
Doug

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[svg-developers] Re: adroit maps.google.com/maps

[Andreas Neumann]

> present this glossy responsive ui. (DirectX image processing , vml 
> graphing, info bubble, etcpp., with transparency all over the 
> place...)

I see the same transparency and glossy bubbles with Firefox. As far as
I know, Mozilla Firefox does not support VML. So where is actually the
VML? Can you show me some VML Code in the Google app besides the
header? As far as I understand app, everything is raster based, also
the UI elements, such as the slider.

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[svg-developers] Re: adroit maps.google.com/maps

[Andreas Neumann]

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "welkerpaul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> 
> Andreas,
>   you'll need IE5.5+ to get vml.

well, I have IE6.0.28 but can't see any VML. Is VML in IE 6.0 as well?

As far as I understand the google up, everything is in raster tiles.
The bubbles may be divs, etc. - I can't see any VML. Can you show me
any VML source snippets in the source of the client app?

> This app is crazy fast with little effort within ie. Sug: the little 
> gifs are ready on server + iexplorer gives them the ability to 
> present this glossy responsive ui. (DirectX image processing , vml 
> graphing, info bubble, etcpp., with transparency all over the 
> place...)
> (Not worth mentioning ie doesn't rasterize vml for printing.)

well, but the data is already in raster ;-)

> Same thing has been tried with svg many times. Many times it got 
> spoiled by unacceptable performance, workarounds leading to 
> cluttered design, complicated plugin/browser integration and 
> fragmentary printing support (add custom act of desperation
> here...). 

well I know quite a few SVG mapping apps that perform well. But
probably not every one can afford big servers like Google or MS ...

> It's odds on that it is not going to happen..

how do you know? are you a google insider?

> PS: Google is a great company, still they cannot ignore their user 
> base. Companies hardly turn down money on religious browser 
> questions?

so, why do they hire firefox developers to continue their work on the
firefox browser?

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[svg-developers] Re: Mozilla/Firefox Issue, Please Help

[academyhtml]

Would somebody be able to provide an example of what was suggested
previously within the framework of the code I posted earlier:

> >embed name=svgFile1... (in the html)
> >svgdoc = svgFile1.getSVGDocument(); (in the js)

Thx.

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Rerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I asked a similar question last night and Jonathan Watt replied with
this:
> 
>
"""
> When using  in Mozilla you *can* access the SVGDocument
> 
> object by using the HTMLObjectElement.contentDocument attribute.
> 
>   http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-HTML/html.html#ID-9893177
> 
> If you need to access the 'window' of the SVG document from a script
> in the HTML document you can access it via the defaultView attribute
> on the SVGDocument object.
> 
>   http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Views/views.html#Views-DocumentView
> 
> Hence to access a function called mySVGFunc in the SVG document from a
> script in the HTML document you would use:
> 
>   HTMLObjectElement.contentDocument.defaultView.mySVGFunc()
>
"""
> 
> I haven't quite figured it out yet, but it may help you find an answer.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:49:33 -0700, Rerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> academyhtml wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm using an embed along with a getsvgdocument() to access SVG
> >elements from an HTML file (see below).
> >
> >embed name=svgFile1... (in the html)
> >svgdoc = svgFile1.getSVGDocument(); (in the js)
> >
> >After pouring through the messages here I realize why this doesn't
> >work in FF/Moz, but I wasn't able to find an alternative way of
> >accessing the SVG DOM from the html.
> >
> >Can anyone provide me with an alt. way I can implement this, not using
> >getsvgdocument that will work on both IE and FF/Moz?
> >
> >TIA
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[svg-developers] Re: adroit maps.google.com/maps

[welkerpaul]

Andreas,
  you'll need IE5.5+ to get vml. 
This app is crazy fast with little effort within ie. Sug: the little 
gifs are ready on server + iexplorer gives them the ability to 
present this glossy responsive ui. (DirectX image processing , vml 
graphing, info bubble, etcpp., with transparency all over the 
place...)
(Not worth mentioning ie doesn't rasterize vml for printing.)

Doug
  mapping apps are quite often about request+instant response: I 
cannot see any sensible usecase concerning flash. I guess the google 
workload concerning the result rendering (following db query) is 
moderate. After all, they're using a simple convincing design. 
Same thing has been tried with svg many times. Many times it got 
spoiled by unacceptable performance, workarounds leading to 
cluttered design, complicated plugin/browser integration and 
fragmentary printing support (add custom act of desperation
here...). 

Svg is not to blame for it. 
If Svg wouldn't be there, MS vml would have become apparent all over 
the place? 
My point: Googlemaps implemented in svg would have been the killer 
showcase for svg. 

It's odds on that it is not going to happen..


Regards
Paul

PS: Google is a great company, still they cannot ignore their user 
base. Companies hardly turn down money on religious browser 
questions?


--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Neumann" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > No bash, just an encouragement for the ambitious svg gis mapper: 
> > Google maps ( maps.google.com/maps ) is quite impressive!? 
> > Of course they don't use svg. 
> > But- GOOGLE PUTS VML on the stove:-O
> 
> where do they use VML? can't find any, except in the header ...
> 
> > You bet it's going to be no svg but xaml sooner or later... 
> 
> I guess not, since Google is a Unix/Linux shop all over ...
> 
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Re: [svg-developers] Mozilla/Firefox Issue, Please Help

[Rerun]

I asked a similar question last night and Jonathan Watt replied with this:

"""
When using  in Mozilla you *can* access the SVGDocument

object by using the HTMLObjectElement.contentDocument attribute.

  http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-HTML/html.html#ID-9893177

If you need to access the 'window' of the SVG document from a script
in the HTML document you can access it via the defaultView attribute
on the SVGDocument object.

  http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Views/views.html#Views-DocumentView

Hence to access a function called mySVGFunc in the SVG document from a
script in the HTML document you would use:

  HTMLObjectElement.contentDocument.defaultView.mySVGFunc()
"""

I haven't quite figured it out yet, but it may help you find an answer.




On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:49:33 -0700, Rerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]



academyhtml wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I'm using an embed along with a getsvgdocument() to access SVG
>elements from an HTML file (see below).
>
>embed name=svgFile1... (in the html)
>svgdoc = svgFile1.getSVGDocument(); (in the js)
>
>After pouring through the messages here I realize why this doesn't
>work in FF/Moz, but I wasn't able to find an alternative way of
>accessing the SVG DOM from the html.
>
>Can anyone provide me with an alt. way I can implement this, not using
>getsvgdocument that will work on both IE and FF/Moz?
>
>TIA
>
>
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[svg-developers] Re: adroit maps.google.com/maps

[Andreas Neumann]

> No bash, just an encouragement for the ambitious svg gis mapper: 
> Google maps ( maps.google.com/maps ) is quite impressive!? 
> Of course they don't use svg. 
> But- GOOGLE PUTS VML on the stove:-O

where do they use VML? can't find any, except in the header ...

> You bet it's going to be no svg but xaml sooner or later... 

I guess not, since Google is a Unix/Linux shop all over ...

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RE: [svg-developers] adroit maps.google.com/maps

[Doug Schepers]

Hi, Paul-

That doesn't make much sense. I don't think Google would embrace XAML, since
that's a Microsoft Windows technology (even with Xamlon and Mono and all).
Google has shown every indication of competing with MS.

Personally, I think the idea of them using SVG is pretty reasonable. They
are already using VML, which is closer to SVG than to XAML. There are rumors
that they are developing their own broswer based on Mozilla, and Mozilla's
SVG support is coming along quickly. Why wouldn't they leverage that?

I can see them going with Flash before they go with XAML, but I think that
SVG is more likely.

But then again, I would, since I like SVG... :)

Regards-
Doug

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welkerpaul wrote:
| 
| 
| No bash, just an encouragement for the ambitious svg gis mapper: 
| Google maps ( maps.google.com/maps ) is quite impressive!? 
| Of course they don't use svg. 
| But- GOOGLE PUTS VML on the stove:-O
| You bet it's going to be no svg but xaml sooner or later... 
| Regards
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[svg-developers] adroit maps.google.com/maps

[welkerpaul]

No bash, just an encouragement for the ambitious svg gis mapper: 
Google maps ( maps.google.com/maps ) is quite impressive!? 
Of course they don't use svg. 
But- GOOGLE PUTS VML on the stove:-O
You bet it's going to be no svg but xaml sooner or later... 
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[svg-developers] Mozilla/Firefox Issue, Please Help

[academyhtml]

Hi,

I'm using an embed along with a getsvgdocument() to access SVG
elements from an HTML file (see below).

embed name=svgFile1... (in the html)
svgdoc = svgFile1.getSVGDocument(); (in the js)

After pouring through the messages here I realize why this doesn't
work in FF/Moz, but I wasn't able to find an alternative way of
accessing the SVG DOM from the html.

Can anyone provide me with an alt. way I can implement this, not using
getsvgdocument that will work on both IE and FF/Moz?

TIA





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[svg-developers] mouse position

[jololivier]

Hello,
I want to get the exact mouse position when my SVG map is in an embed 
tag () and 
using the viewbox option ().
Is there a "magic formula?"

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Re: [svg-developers] Square as basic shape

[Olaf Schnabel]

That problem (blank area) occurs, if the relation between the available 
vertical space (width) and horizontal space (height) is different from 
the relation 1024/768 or 800/600 (= 1.33). I used the attributes 
width="100%", height="100%", viewBox="0 0 1024 768". A screen with a 
different relation would change the whole application size and ofcourse 
the text size. The advantage is, that the application fits to the client 
screen size.
Olaf

Philippe Lhoste wrote:
> Actually, ASV3 doesn't follow the 10px rule, as height is proportional 
> to vertical space on my screen. Perhaps that's because of the 
> width="100%" height="100%" attributes on the SVG element, althought I 
> still don't master these questions.
> 
> Note that in all cases, I see a quite large (in height) blank area below 
> the copyright notice.
> 
> HTH.
> 

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Re: [svg-developers] Square as basic shape

[Philippe Lhoste]

Olaf Schnabel wrote:
> Concerning the text size: Currently I use 10px for the button text. I 
> had never problems to read it with my 1280x1024 screen resolution. If I 
> would increase the text size, I would get in trouble with the available 
> space on the screen. Maybe you can hide some toolbars of your browser.
> That would increase the available space on screen for the content.

Actually, ASV3 doesn't follow the 10px rule, as height is proportional 
to vertical space on my screen. Perhaps that's because of the 
width="100%" height="100%" attributes on the SVG element, althought I 
still don't master these questions.

Note that in all cases, I see a quite large (in height) blank area below 
the copyright notice.

HTH.

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[svg-developers] Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?webadressenvorschl=E4ge_-_engere_auswah?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?l?=

[Olaf Schnabel]

ich bin dafür wir könnten auch einen projektausflug um die welt 
machen und je nach gefallen dann die jeweilige domain nehmen.
können wir ja mal in der nächsten sitzung als traktand aufnehmen *hehe*.
gruss
olaf

Joel Fisler - GITTA Project wrote:
> *GROEHL* ja die kokosinseln, das wär natürlich was für cartouche :-) 
> darf dann dafür jeder mitarbeiter dann auch mal da hin? wenn schon, denn 
> schon, find ich 
> gruss
> joel

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[svg-developers] Re: Cancel bubbling up in IE6/ASV3 for events not added by addEventListerner

[pilatfr]

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "rwkemper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

Do you try
e.stopPropagation()

Michel
 
> Dear All,
> 
> I have the following problem. I have two nested ggroups and added 
an 
> mouseover event to each. As the event (which calls DoB) bubbles up
> also DoA is called. I would like cancel the bubbling up in DoB 
> function. But this does not work.
> 
> 
> 
>
>  ...
>
> 
> 
> in my script 
> function DoB(e) {
> e.cancelBubble=true;  //  no error measage , BUT this does not 
work 
> as 
> expected
> // event.cancelBubble = true;  ==> event is not defined
> // window.event.cancelBubble = true ; ==> window.event has no 
> properties .
> }
> 
> 
> It is possible at all to make this work on events which have NOT 
been 
> defined by addEventListener in scripting ???
> 
> Thanks a lot for your help
> 
> Rolf





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Re: [svg-developers] Mozilla getStyle GetStyleData JavaScript etc

[Jonathan Watt]

When using  in Mozilla you *can* access the SVGDocument
object by using the HTMLObjectElement.contentDocument attribute.

  http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-HTML/html.html#ID-9893177

If you need to access the 'window' of the SVG document from a script
in the HTML document you can access it via the defaultView attribute
on the SVGDocument object.

  http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Views/views.html#Views-DocumentView

Hence to access a function called mySVGFunc in the SVG document from a
script in the HTML document you would use:

  HTMLObjectElement.contentDocument.defaultView.mySVGFunc()


On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:49:33 -0700, Rerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> That worked great, and the code is even a bit cleaner.  While I'm on the
> subject of Mozilla implementations, I have another question regarding
> scripting.  Mozilla has implemented the  tag reluctantly I see,
> but still advocates the  tag.  This is all  all well and good,
> but the  tag doesn't allow the use of JavaScript, neither does
> the  tag in a Mozilla browser.  Am I up a creek with this, or is
> there another way to add interactivity with js?
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[svg-developers] Re: Debugging Javascript within SVG Viewer

[welkerpaul]

  to set off 
  IExplorer: 
Internet Options, Browsing cat, uncheck 'Disable Script 
Debugging (IE)' and 'Disable Script Debugging (Other)', 
check 'Display a notification about every script error'
  MS Visual Studio: 
"To access the Just-In-Time page, click the Tools menu and 
select Options. In the Options dialog box, expand the Debugging 
folder and select Just-In-Time. This page allows you to enable Just-
In-Time debugging for managed (common language runtime) code, 
unmanaged (native) code, and script. For more information, see Just-
In-Time Debugging.
You can enable Just-In-Time debugging for these program types: 
Common language runtime 
Native 
Script 
Just-In-Time debugging is a technique for debugging a program that 
is started outside of Visual Studio. You can run a program created 
in Visual Studio outside of the Visual Studio environment. If you 
have enabled Just-in-time debugging, the program will bring up a 
dialog box when a crash occurs." (VS Help, fy convenience)
  The JScrpit debugger statement will bring up a dialog box as well.
  MS (Office) Script Editor allows Just-In-Time debugging in a 
similar way (->Options dialog).
  I have a clean record concerning Eclipse; excuse no clue.
  The debugger within a textpad app is the determined js alert(';-
O') statement. 
  DHTML: google
  How and why did you get VS/Eclipse if you won't use/explore it?

  
Sorry,  this is off topic concerning svg. 
  

hth Paul
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Jan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I'm not using any development tools except a regular Textpad 
editor 
> to create a web page via html, some php, Javascript, and embedded 
svg 
> in a Win2000 environment.  I'm running IIS6.0 and IE.
> 
> Not sure what dhtlm is.
> 
> I have Visual Studio and Eclipse installed on my machine, but am 
not 
> using either of these for an IDE.  Is it possible to use Eclipse 
as 
> an IDE?  This may be a stupid question, but I am completely new to 
> web development and have only used IDEs in the past for non-Web 
apps.
> 
> I believe I can somehow get IE to connect to the Visual Studio, 
> Eclipse, or MS Windows Script debuggers by modifying the registry 
> somehow and by using the 'debugger;' command within my Javascript 
> code.  Does anyone know how to do this?
> 
> Jan
> 
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "welkerpaul" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > Don't expect a qualified answer to your devtools env setup 
without 
> > telling much about your environment+toolset. 
> > 1st of all you should be able to debug dhtlm script (attach to 
> > process or IE:View>Script Debugger>Break at Next Statement or 
> insert 
> > debugger statement). 
> > if you're using ms tools, there's plenty of excellent 
documentation 
> > at msdn.microsoft.com.. 
> > The other method of debugging reads 'alert';-)
> > hth
> > Paul
> > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Jan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I have some SVG documents that interact with a containing html 
> > page 
> > > and also use some Javascript within them. There was a message 
on 
> > this 
> > > forum a while back about modifying the registry to allow use 
of a 
> > > debugger such as the Visual Studio debugger to break into the 
> > > javascript code that is inside of the svg document.  The 
> > suggestion 
> > > was to modify the registry as follows:
> > > 
> > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Script\Settings]
> > > "JITDebug"=dword:0001
> > > 
> > > This does not work for me.  I'm on a Win2000 machine and don't 
> > even 
> > > have a 'Windows Script' key.  I only have 'Windows Script 
Host' 
> > > and 'Windows Scripting Host' keys.
> > > 
> > > Does anyone know how to do this or any other methods of 
> > debugging?  I 
> > > would also like to run a debugger with Javascript that is 
outside 
> > of 
> > > my svg document.
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > Jan





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Re: [svg-developers] Square as basic shape

[Olaf Schnabel]

Thanks for your suggestions, Philippe and Jerry.
I like the idea of copying and pasting SVG text and will implement it in 
my application. I think about an implementation of my tool as a web 
service, but this is stuff for the future.
Concerning the text size: Currently I use 10px for the button text. I 
had never problems to read it with my 1280x1024 screen resolution. If I 
would increase the text size, I would get in trouble with the available 
space on the screen. Maybe you can hide some toolbars of your browser.
That would increase the available space on screen for the content.

Olaf

Philippe Lhoste wrote:
> Olaf Schnabel wrote:
> 
>>Jerry
>>
>>you are right. Currently the only "export" option is an alert box. I 
>>will improve that later. I had just the idea to advance the list of 
>>shortcut primitives like "rect" and "circle" and "ellipse". A "pie 
>>slice" primitive with the properties radius and angle would be nice. And 
>>ofcourse a regular polygon.
>>
>>Regards
>>Olaf
>>
>>Jerrold Maddox wrote:
>>
>>>Olaf
>>>
>>>Very well done - good subtle touches like the use of opacity for the 
>>>shapes, the color choices overall and the  varied use of letter 
>>>spacing.
>>>
>>>One question, a dumb one, is where can I find the  exported SVG as a 
>>>symbol definition? - all I see is the Alert box.
>>>
>>>Jerry
> 
> 
> Jerry, you can capture the content of the alert box, on Windows, with a 
> free tool like CopyText: http://www10.pair.com/vsap/
> Hold the mouse over the text, invoque CopyText with a keyboard shortcut, 
> and it will capture the text of the dialog box and allow you to copy it. 
> Other similar tools exists, I just use this one because it is small and 
> versatile.
> 
> Olaf, you application is very nice and have a professional look, this is 
> impressive. Perhaps you can create a text and update it with the info 
> shown in the alert. Since SVG text is selectable and copiable, it would 
> be easy to reuse the data.
> 
> Oh, on my 17" screen, at 1024x768 resolution on Mozilla 1.7 + ASV3, the 
> texts are hardly legible... About 5 pixel high, so I guess words instead 
> of reading them.
> They are a bit better on IE5.5, perhaps because real estate is bigger 
> (less toolbars), but still only 7 pixel high. It goes better when going 
> full screen...
> 

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[svg-developers] Cancel bubbling up in IE6/ASV3 for events not added by addEventListerner

[rwkemper]

Dear All,

I have the following problem. I have two nested ggroups and added an 
mouseover event to each. As the event (which calls DoB) bubbles up
also DoA is called. I would like cancel the bubbling up in DoB 
function. But this does not work.



   
 ...
   


in my script 
function DoB(e) {
e.cancelBubble=true;  //  no error measage , BUT this does not work 
as 
expected
// event.cancelBubble = true;  ==> event is not defined
// window.event.cancelBubble = true ; ==> window.event has no 
properties .
}


It is possible at all to make this work on events which have NOT been 
defined by addEventListener in scripting ???

Thanks a lot for your help

Rolf










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[svg-developers] Re: Travel map No 2

[jololivier]

Thank for your answer. Do you thinks it would be easy to add some 
circle to locate Macau and HK?


--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Philippe Lhoste <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> jololivier wrote:
> > Searching for aSVG worldmap, I find yours. The new version is 
more 
> > precise and complete than the first one, but some data have 
> > disapear : Macau and Hong-kong are not present in the new 
version, 
> > while they are in the first one.
> > Is there a possibility to add them?
> > 
> > Thanks a lot,
> > 
> > Jérôme
> 
> Old map had this data for Macau:
> 
> 
> It has been replaced by:
> 
> 
> Which is equivalent, but only traces a small horizontal line, which 
> isn't visible on the map, alas.
> 
> Hong-Kong (HK) is on the Iso list of countries, but doesn't seems 
to be 
> on the original map, hence it is not on the reduced one.
> 
> I don't know if it is a political choice (not a good one as French 
> Dom-Tom islands are displayed), an overlook or if it is too small 
to be 
> displayed meaningfully (perhaps if it is smaller than Macau, thus 
> reduced to a single point, it has been automatically eliminated).
> 
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[svg-developers] Re: real world unit vs screen resolution or display device

[kanmac1]

Guys,

thank You all for the answers.
These are very very bad news for us, but that's a life.
Thanx a lot once again

cheers

Maciek


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wrote:
> Hi, Maciek-
> 
> As Barrend correctly points out, your assumption is not quite
correct, and
> is possibly dangerous. Kirby's suggestion is exactly what I would have
> suggested: give the user a settings dialog to allow them to
calibrate the
> measurements for themselves; if they really need the precision, they may
> have to break out a physical ruler and measure the calibration bar
manually.
> I would also make sure that the data is stored for one screen only,
and not
> the user; if they log on with a different computer, the settings
have almost
> certainly changed; heck, even the same screen can change. But you
can only
> do so much. If they are depending upon precision, it is up to the
user to
> make sure that the screen is correctly calibrated. In fact, I might
suggest
> that if possible, the user could even change the screen to match the
output.
> 
> As for why these units are included, I would suggest 2 reasons:
> 1) For properly calibrated screens, they are correct;
> 2) For print measurements, they are often correct (depending on the
viewBox,
> CTM, zoom level, printer driver, etc.)  
> 
> Regards-
> Doug
> 
> doug . schepers  @ vectoreal.com
> www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions.
>  
> 
> Barend Köbben wrote:
> | 
> | 
> | Hi  Maciek
> |  
> | > (...) TwipsPerPixel for both vertical and horizontal directions. 
> | > And it is exactly what I thought.
> | 
> | Hmm, I don't think so. It probably is on most systems quite 
> | close to "what you thought". But even VB on an MS system 
> | cannot truly garantuee this in any way. If I want i can 
> | distort the image on my monitor by twiddling the knobs so 
> | that it only takes up half the actual screen. Your TWIPS VBA 
> | system would not be able to know this...
> |  
> | And I think that eg. using the same code on a PocketPC 
> | platform (PDA), you might get quite big differences. 
> |  
> | > Another question is: why is this real world unit posibility 
> | included 
> | > in the standard if it is not supported at all.
> |  
> | That is a very valid question. I cannot see inside the ASV 
> | code Adobe uses, but I think it does it 'sort of' by 
> | estimating what 100 mm might in pixels be. Just as the twips 
> | measurement in VBA only 'guestimates'...
> |  
> | We're having this same discussion often with rprogrammers who 
> | want to put a scle fraction on screen maps, saying the map is 
> | eg. 1:10,000. As a cartographer I always advise them to use 
> | 'relative' sclaes only, the best one just showing a sclae bar 
> | that is scaled along with your map and basically says, 'look 
> | this is what I consider to be xx km on the map':
> |  
> | 0   20km
> | |-|
> |  
> | (only correct when using a monotype font ;-)
> |





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