[svg-developers] Re: Report on SVG Viewer Performance

2008-12-03 Thread Frank Bruder
Great work so far. Just three comments:

- You identify your platform and the user agents you've tested, but
since Batik is a Java application it would make sense to also state
which JVM version was used.

- Your testing method does not necessarily measure a relevant
benchmark. A scripting engine which queues events in such a way that
interval and timeout events always are executed in the correct order
would get perfect scores, no matter how much time the rendering takes.
In the second call to setInterval() you could create a Date object
each time and use that for measuring, to account for the possibility
that the longer interval might be delayed in accordance with the
shorter interval. Furthermore a user agent could switch to rendering
only every other frame when the animation speed would otherwise slow
down too much. Video player software commonly does this.

- Finally I'd like to note that a normal distribution in fact is an
absolutely unreasonable assumption for a variable which can not be
negative. A gamma distribution is more like it.


--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "G. Wade Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I have just posted a second draft of my "Results of Profiling Scripting
> Animation in SVG" on my website at
> http://anomaly.org/wade/projects/svg/profiling/
> 
> I would appreciate any input from anyone who has the time to read and
> comment on it.
> 
> I will try to incorporate any comments (and some changes to the charts)
> into a final version over the next few days/weeks. I also plan to put a
> little time into styling, so it doesn't look quite so bland.
> 
> I hope to add more specific profiling over time to compare different
> aspects of scripting SVG.
> 
> Any input would be appreciated.
> G. Wade
> -- 
> All things are possible, given enough time and caffeine.
>  -- Danny Hoover
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Re: [svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time

2008-12-03 Thread ddailey
Hi Julie,

I think what is happening when you put an alert in the middle of it all is this:

first the onmousedown is received, evt.type is then "mousedown"
next an alert fires
then to get rid of the alert the user has to move the mouse off of the group 
(which received the mousedown)
so the click (which actually consists of a mousedown followed by a mouseup -- 
without any intervening mouseout event, I believe), is never actually received 
by the group.

David 
  - Original Message - 
  From: julie gautier 
  To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:23 PM
  Subject: Re : [svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time


  Hi,
  There's something I really don't understant, if somebody could help me : in 
the javascript code David sent, if I add an alert in the 'all' function : 

  if (evt.type=="click"){
   alert(evt.target.nodeName);
  }
  else{
   alert(evt.type);
   evt.currentTarget.firstChild.nextSibling.setAttributeNS(null,"fill" ,"red")
  }

  then I have the following alerts : 'mousedown', 'mouseup' and the circle 
turns red.
  If I comment the "alert(evt.type)", I have the alert : 'circle' and the 
circle turns red.
  Could someone explain to me why this only line makes the "click" not fired 
anymore ??
  Thanks in advance.

  
  De : "Dailey, David P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  À : svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
  Envoyé le : Mercredi, 3 Décembre 2008, 18h29mn 48s
  Objet : RE: [svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time

  Take a look at the following; it lets different events on parts of the group 
be registered and responded to.

  Hope it helps

  David

  http://www.w3. org/2000/ svg" width="100%"

  xmlns:xlink= "http://www.w3. org/1999/ xlink" 

  > 

  http://www.w3. org/2000/ svg"

  xlink="http://www.w3. org/1999/ xlink" 

  function all(evt){

  if (evt.type==" click") alert(evt.target. nodeName)

  else evt.currentTarget. firstChild. nextSibling. setAttributeNS( null,"fill" 
,"red")

  }

  //]]>

  

  

  

  

  

  

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com] On Behalf Of jgfa92004
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:07 AM
  To: svg-developers@ yahoogroups. com
  Subject: [svg-developers] onmousedown( ) and onclick() at the same time

  Hi,

  I have the following svg code : 

  
  
  
  

  My problème is that the onclick event is never called, apparently 
  because of the onmousedown and onmouseup events called in the first g.
  What should I do to be able to call another function when a circle is 
  clicked ?
  Thanks a lot.

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Re : [svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time

2008-12-03 Thread julie gautier
Hi,
There's something I really don't understant, if somebody could help me : in the 
javascript code David sent, if I add an alert in the 'all' function : 

if (evt.type=="click"){
 alert(evt.target.nodeName);
}
else{
 alert(evt.type);
 evt.currentTarget.firstChild.nextSibling.setAttributeNS(null,"fill" ,"red")
}

then I have the following alerts : 'mousedown', 'mouseup' and the circle turns 
red.
If I comment the "alert(evt.type)", I have the alert : 'circle' and the circle 
turns red.
Could someone explain to me why this only line makes the "click" not fired 
anymore ??
Thanks in advance.




De : "Dailey, David P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
À : svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Mercredi, 3 Décembre 2008, 18h29mn 48s
Objet : RE: [svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time


Take a look at the following; it lets different events on parts of the group be 
registered and responded to.

Hope it helps

David

http://www.w3. org/2000/ svg" width="100%"

xmlns:xlink= "http://www.w3. org/1999/ xlink" 

> 

http://www.w3. org/2000/ svg"

xlink="http://www.w3. org/1999/ xlink" 

function all(evt){

if (evt.type==" click") alert(evt.target. nodeName)

else evt.currentTarget. firstChild. nextSibling. setAttributeNS( null,"fill" 
,"red")

}

//]]>













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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:07 AM
To: svg-developers@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [svg-developers] onmousedown( ) and onclick() at the same time

Hi,

I have the following svg code : 






My problème is that the onclick event is never called, apparently 
because of the onmousedown and onmouseup events called in the first g.
What should I do to be able to call another function when a circle is 
clicked ?
Thanks a lot.

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Re : [svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time

2008-12-03 Thread julie gautier
Yes, thanks a lot, it will help but is this the only way to achieve this ? So 
it's not possible at all to fire those 2 events at the same time ?




De : "Dailey, David P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
À : svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Mercredi, 3 Décembre 2008, 18h29mn 48s
Objet : RE: [svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time


Take a look at the following; it lets different events on parts of the group be 
registered and responded to.

Hope it helps

David

http://www.w3. org/2000/ svg" width="100%"

xmlns:xlink= "http://www.w3.. org/1999/ xlink" 

> 

http://www..w3. org/2000/ svg"

xlink="http://www.w3. org/1999/ xlink" 

function all(evt){

if (evt.type==" click") alert(evt.target. nodeName)

else evt.currentTarget. firstChild. nextSibling. setAttributeNS( null,"fill" 
,"red")

}

//]]>













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com] On Behalf Of jgfa92004
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:07 AM
To: svg-developers@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [svg-developers] onmousedown( ) and onclick() at the same time

Hi,

I have the following svg code : 






My problème is that the onclick event is never called, apparently 
because of the onmousedown and onmouseup events called in the first g.
What should I do to be able to call another function when a circle is 
clicked ?
Thanks a lot.

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RE: [svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time

2008-12-03 Thread Dailey, David P.
Take a look at the following; it lets different events on parts of the group be 
registered and responded to.

 

Hope it helps

David

 

http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; width="100%"

xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"; 

> 

http://www.w3.org/2000/svg";

xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"; 

function all(evt){



if (evt.type=="click") alert(evt.target.nodeName)

else 
evt.currentTarget.firstChild.nextSibling.setAttributeNS(null,"fill","red")

}

 

//]]>













 

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jgfa92004
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To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time

 

Hi,

I have the following svg code : 






My problème is that the onclick event is never called, apparently 
because of the onmousedown and onmouseup events called in the first g.
What should I do to be able to call another function when a circle is 
clicked ?
Thanks a lot.

 



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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Report on SVG Viewer Performance

2008-12-03 Thread G. Wade Johnson
On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:04:06 -
Helder Magalhães <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > At the moment, I'm running pure Linux, so IE is not a testable
> > option. I probably need to get a VM up to test IE.
> 
> Probably more modifications are required: for example, ASV and Renesis
> don't accept a method as setInterval/setTimeout argument - a string
> must be used instead... :-|

I vaguely remember that from back in the old days. Thanks for reminding
me.

> > Thanks for the input.
> 
> You're welcome. ;-)
> 
> 
> I've read through the article - which I found quite valuable, by the
> way - and have a few comments which I'd like to share.
> 
>  1. There are some limitations while using "setInterval":
>1.1. As far as I know, setInterval doesn't consider the time it
> takes to execute the code block called. This means that if you have a
> very short interval and a heavy (long/heavy) block of code, you may
> not get the desired behavior (read as: things can go pretty messy).
> Although scripting is executed as single thread, which assures that no
> nasty interactions will occur, nevertheless the timing may messed up.
> Please correct me if I'm wrong!

I believe this is the reason for the lower update rates on Wuse. And, to
some extent, this is what I'm trying to measure. The setInterval
function is a likely approach for doing script-based animation, so I
wanted to measure it to determine how well it will work for people.

I probably do need some testing (later) to really push the limits to
see where this approach breaks down. It's hard to tell people what to
avoid if we don't know where the edges are.

>1.2. Firefox as a known issue [1] with this particular timing
> mechanism. While it's pretty harder to reproduce using Firefox 3 than
> in Firefox 2, it still applies...

I'll look into that, thanks.

>1.3. I'd generally propose "setTimeout" as a timing mechanism
> (called each time, immediately before returning), specially when the
> time consumed in the called method isn't relevant (and, even so, one
> can simply measure the time it took).

I can run another set of tests using setTimeout, so we can compare the
methods (in a separate report, probably). Since I'm not using the
interval time to measure the interval, I think I'm okay on this.

>  2. Couple of suggestions:
>2.1. In "What I'm Trying to Measure", maybe referencing (link to?)
> the Firefox bug around the "setInterval" text wouldn't be a bad idea,
> at least to point out this known limitation;

I'll do that, thanks.

>2.2. In "Measurement Methodology", I also believe mentioning
> (linking to?) the Batik bug report for the programmatic navigation
> feature [4] would also be valuable - one can then see when and how was
> it fixed (thanks for contributing it, as we're at it).

Definitely. (I really should have thought to do that.)

>  3. Few typos which I think you will appreciate:
>3.1. In "Rationale" [5], "surpised" --> "surprised";
>3.2. In "The Instruments Test" [6], "modification to" -->
> "modification of" (?);
>3.3. In "The Wuse Test" [7], "hghest" --> "highest";

So much for spell checkers. Thanks, I'll correct these.

> [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291386
> [2] http://anomaly.org/wade/projects/svg/profiling/#what_measure
> [3] http://anomaly.org/wade/projects/svg/profiling/#methodology
> [4] https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=46072
> [5] http://anomaly.org/wade/projects/svg/profiling/#rationale
> [6]
> http://anomaly.org/wade/projects/svg/profiling/#instruments_test_results
> [7] http://anomaly.org/wade/projects/svg/profiling/#wuse_test_results

Thank you very much for your help on this.
G. Wade
-- 
There will always be things we wish to say in our programs that in all
known languages can only be said poorly.  -- Alan Perlis



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[svg-developers] Re: onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time

2008-12-03 Thread jgfa92004
Hi,
Thanks for the answer.
No, I don't call the fonction "stopPropagation". 
Here is a simpler example that doesn't work either : 


 
 


Only the alert('down') and alert('up') are called in this case.

I use IE7 and Adobe SVG Viewer 3.0 

Thanks again for your help.

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Helder Magalhães 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > 
> >
> >
> > 
> > 
> > My problème is that the onclick event is never called, apparently 
> > because of the onmousedown and onmouseup events called in the 
first g.
> > What should I do to be able to call another function when a 
circle is 
> > clicked ?
> 
> I suspect (no deep testing/analysis, sorry!) you are calling
> "stopPropagation" within the "down" method. If you are, then the
> behavior is expected - the event is first triggered in the group 
("g"
> element) and then it's passed to children. Calling "stopPropagation"
> breaks this mechanism.
> 
> If my feeling is wrong, then please provide more relevant details 
such
> as the SVG viewer you are using (version included), operating 
system,
> etc. and, if possible, a complete test case - without seeing the
> script which is executed one will be guessing anyway...
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
>  Helder Magalhães
>





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[svg-developers] Re: onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time

2008-12-03 Thread Helder Magalhães
> 
>
>
> 
> 
> My problème is that the onclick event is never called, apparently 
> because of the onmousedown and onmouseup events called in the first g.
> What should I do to be able to call another function when a circle is 
> clicked ?

I suspect (no deep testing/analysis, sorry!) you are calling
"stopPropagation" within the "down" method. If you are, then the
behavior is expected - the event is first triggered in the group ("g"
element) and then it's passed to children. Calling "stopPropagation"
breaks this mechanism.

If my feeling is wrong, then please provide more relevant details such
as the SVG viewer you are using (version included), operating system,
etc. and, if possible, a complete test case - without seeing the
script which is executed one will be guessing anyway...

Hope this helps,

 Helder Magalhães




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[svg-developers] Re: SVG displaying acsents (French)

2008-12-03 Thread Helder Magalhães
> Does anybody know how to allow a text tag to allow french acsents, i.e
> 
> 08:35:36 03-déc.-08
> 
> This displays the "éc." as a square.

This is not directly related to SVG but to XML in general. Usually,
you only need to specify the encoding in the XML preamble (first line
which should be within SVG file). For example, for using "UTF-8":



And then make sure this matches the encoding used by your text
editor/SVG generator. Although "UTF-8" is recommended for 99% of
cases, as French is a western language you may also try "ISO-8859-1"
(like in encoding="ISO-8859-1"), which is also a very common encoding
used in applications (specially in Windows operating system, where
it's also sometimes referred to as Windows-1252).


Hope this helps,


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows-1252




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[svg-developers] Re: SVG displaying acsents (French)

2008-12-03 Thread markelliott2000
I now know that this can be achieved as follows;


Variable declared twice

Variable déclarée deux fois

Is there another way so that I don't have to work out which language
the user has specified.

Cheers

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> Hi all,
> 
> Does anybody know how to allow a text tag to allow french acsents, i.e
> 
> 08:35:36 03-déc.-08
> 
> This displays the "éc." as a square.
> 
> Please help
> 
> Cheers
>





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[svg-developers] Re: Report on SVG Viewer Performance

2008-12-03 Thread Helder Magalhães
> At the moment, I'm running pure Linux, so IE is not a testable
> option. I probably need to get a VM up to test IE.

Probably more modifications are required: for example, ASV and Renesis
don't accept a method as setInterval/setTimeout argument - a string
must be used instead... :-|


> Thanks for the input.

You're welcome. ;-)


I've read through the article - which I found quite valuable, by the
way - and have a few comments which I'd like to share.

 1. There are some limitations while using "setInterval":
   1.1. As far as I know, setInterval doesn't consider the time it
takes to execute the code block called. This means that if you have a
very short interval and a heavy (long/heavy) block of code, you may
not get the desired behavior (read as: things can go pretty messy).
Although scripting is executed as single thread, which assures that no
nasty interactions will occur, nevertheless the timing may messed up.
Please correct me if I'm wrong!
   1.2. Firefox as a known issue [1] with this particular timing
mechanism. While it's pretty harder to reproduce using Firefox 3 than
in Firefox 2, it still applies...
   1.3. I'd generally propose "setTimeout" as a timing mechanism
(called each time, immediately before returning), specially when the
time consumed in the called method isn't relevant (and, even so, one
can simply measure the time it took).

 2. Couple of suggestions:
   2.1. In "What I'm Trying to Measure", maybe referencing (link to?)
the Firefox bug around the "setInterval" text wouldn't be a bad idea,
at least to point out this known limitation;
   2.2. In "Measurement Methodology", I also believe mentioning
(linking to?) the Batik bug report for the programmatic navigation
feature [4] would also be valuable - one can then see when and how was
it fixed (thanks for contributing it, as we're at it).

 3. Few typos which I think you will appreciate:
   3.1. In "Rationale" [5], "surpised" --> "surprised";
   3.2. In "The Instruments Test" [6], "modification to" -->
"modification of" (?);
   3.3. In "The Wuse Test" [7], "hghest" --> "highest";


Cheers,

 Helder Magalhães


[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291386
[2] http://anomaly.org/wade/projects/svg/profiling/#what_measure
[3] http://anomaly.org/wade/projects/svg/profiling/#methodology
[4] https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=46072
[5] http://anomaly.org/wade/projects/svg/profiling/#rationale
[6]
http://anomaly.org/wade/projects/svg/profiling/#instruments_test_results
[7] http://anomaly.org/wade/projects/svg/profiling/#wuse_test_results




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[svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time

2008-12-03 Thread jgfa92004
Hi,

I have the following svg code : 


   
   


My problème is that the onclick event is never called, apparently 
because of the onmousedown and onmouseup events called in the first g.
What should I do to be able to call another function when a circle is 
clicked ?
Thanks a lot.




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[svg-developers] SVG displaying acsents (French)

2008-12-03 Thread markelliott2000
Hi all,

Does anybody know how to allow a text tag to allow french acsents, i.e

08:35:36 03-déc.-08

This displays the "éc." as a square.

Please help

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