[svg-developers] Organized Crime in American Web Design
Heard Microsoft and Firefox were going to have limited support for SVG and decided to create a web site the way it's "Supposed" to be done for testing purposes. Turns out they do not support SVG, but I decided to have fun anyway. Browser Reviews site uses nested SVG files and PNG's SVG tutorial expounds on the presentation that I gave at SVG Open 2009 Notice the file size differences between Opera and others. There is a bug using Webkit based browsers that effects navigation. See Known bugs first. Anyway, the files make good test files for Google TV and others. The Sony Google TV from experience is total crap. Beware! Enjoy! James - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Forgot the URL! James
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[svg-developers] Re: Organized Crime in American Web Design
James, What you've discovered so far is a bug in Opera rather than any conspiracy. In order to serve compressed svg file you must specify Content-Encoding: gzip in your response. Correct this and all browsers will work. Here's a correctly configured example: http://www.svgmaker.com/gallery/3dbar.svgz that you will find it works in all browsers. Additionally, Firefox 4 when it appears will support SMIL and SVG images, though not SVG fonts. Firefox has supported filters since version 3.0 so I'm not sure why you're claiming it doesn't. Best regards Robert. - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Organized Crime in American Web Design
> In order to serve compressed svg file you must specify > > Content-Encoding: gzip > And where do I specify the Content-Encoding: gzip? If it is on the server and I don't have access to it, then I stand by my statements. Adobe (No friend of SVG) supports opening svgz file in Adobe Illustrator. It is made difficult on purpose IMO. I do not consider this an Opera bug, but maybe someone from Opera can chime in. Your right Firefox does support filters, but not much else. James http://deerring.com. - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Organized Crime in American Web Design
I agree with Robert...I think your statements are a little intemperate, and I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next man. In reality, Firefox had SVG support before Safari and Chrome. All 4 browsers-other-than-IE have decent SVG support now, and it's still improving with each release. Your comments are, I think, a little insulting to the volunteers who work on open-source browsers. Perhaps if you feel passionate about SVG you should contribute your energy to either the Mozilla or Webkit browser engine projects? Guy PS, if your web host doesn't send the correct http headers, you should talk to them about it, or switch to a better hosting company. On 06/11/2010, at 12:19 PM, jamesd wrote: > >> In order to serve compressed svg file you must specify >> >> Content-Encoding: gzip >> > > And where do I specify the Content-Encoding: gzip? If it is on the server and > I don't have access to it, then I stand by my statements. Adobe (No friend of > SVG) supports opening svgz file in Adobe Illustrator. > > It is made difficult on purpose IMO. I do not consider this an Opera bug, but > maybe someone from Opera can chime in. > > Your right Firefox does support filters, but not much else. > > James > http://deerring.com. > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com > -or- > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my > membership" > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Organized Crime in American Web Design
On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 02:28:07 +0100, Guy Morton wrote: > I agree with Robert...I think your statements are a little intemperate, > and I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next man. Yay conspiracy theories... > In reality, Firefox had SVG support before Safari and Chrome. Indeed. Although they were kind of late to the animation party (something that IE still hasn't done, wich I find disappointing). > All 4 browsers-other-than-IE have decent SVG support now, and it's > still improving with each release. Yes. This is good - keeps us on our toes. Of course SVG is still being developed, and even the stable release spec gets tweaked occasionally to deal with minor inconsitencies we didn't spot. That's why we have been partiicpating in the SVG group so long - and it's good to see that all the major browser are doing so now. > Your comments are, I think, a little insulting to the volunteers who > work on open-source browsers. Perhaps if you feel passionate about SVG > you should contribute your energy to either the Mozilla or Webkit > browser engine projects? Actually, producing high-quality SVG like your site is also a valuable contribution - it gives all of the browsers something to aim for as a way to show off what SVG can do. > Guy > > PS, if your web host doesn't send the correct http headers, you should > talk to them about it, or switch to a better hosting company. Yeah, that fact that people have servers which don't let them set the right headers is a real problem, and the kind of sniffing that it takes to handle that in the browser can potentially introduce further problems. Even in Opera Unite it is possible to set the headers, and for something as common as SVG is becoming it is depressing that there are still hosts that don't figure it out by default, let alone allowing you to actually configure it (which I think should be possible on all hosting services but unfortunately isn't). In an ideal world, we could all just be really strict about what we do. In the real world we are forced to make compromises. But it's also the case that things improve. In a lot of early SVG-enabled Opera releases (version 8.x and 9.x), we accepted SVG that had a particular error to do with not declaring the namespace. This was actually partially the fault of the WG, who had a neat trick for allowing the namespace to be defaulted by the DTD, but didn't anticipate the problems that might cause later. After a few years, we stopped allowing for this behaviour. And in the meantime, the SVG content on the Web got better, so instead of being a major problem on most SVG content it was something we didn't even announce, but which didn't draw any complaints. cheers Chaals > On 06/11/2010, at 12:19 PM, jamesd wrote: > >> >>> In order to serve compressed svg file you must specify >>> >>> Content-Encoding: gzip >>> >> >> And where do I specify the Content-Encoding: gzip? If it is on the >> server and I don't have access to it, then I stand by my statements. >> Adobe (No friend of SVG) supports opening svgz file in Adobe >> Illustrator. >> >> It is made difficult on purpose IMO. I do not consider this an Opera >> bug, but maybe someone from Opera can chime in. >> >> Your right Firefox does support filters, but not much else. >> >> James >> http://deerring.com. >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe send a message to: >> svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com >> -or- >> visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my >> membership" >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > -- Charles McCathieNevile Opera Software, Standards Group je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg lærer norsk http://my.opera.com/chaals Try Opera: http://www.opera.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] A less known side of SVG
There is a great utility SVG provides for a fifth of the population of the planet (if they care to use it). It is not magical graphics but OpenType feature support. It resurrects Indic Complex Scripts from the hole they fell into due to complexities of Unicode. The following is a link to a (sample) WordPress blog written entirely in transliterated Sinhala displayed using a downloadable smartfont that shows the transliteration back in the Sinhala script. (Copy the text and paste it to Notepad to understand) Use Firefox, Safari, Lunascape or Google Arora: http://www.ahangama.com/ The pages depend on support for @font-family to download a WOFF font and the 'text-rendering' instruction. Sinhala is the language spoken in Sri Lanka. It is an Indic language like Devanagari. JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
