Re: [svg-developers] Adobe AIR drops SVG
I think Adobe are strategising themselves out of the game. They are fiddling while Rome burns. If you haven't already, look at Titanium...write once, deploy EVERYWHERE using WebKit as your runtime engine. And by "everywhere" I mean Windows, Mac, Linux, iOS, Android AND you can deploy your code as a native web app. Guy On 11/11/2010, at 4:36 AM, Dailey, David P. wrote: > Doug Schepers makes the good point that their statement could mean that > "we decided early on not to support SVG, even though we had the WebKit code, > because we thought there wasn't much interest..." > > "... but now people have been asking for it more, so we are looking into > supporting it in a future release." > > I suspect there are a lot of folks at Adobe who wish they had never heard of > SVG since they have to keep changing their mind about whether or not they > like it! > > I predict exactly one more change of mind on the subject and that it will be > rather far-reaching. > > On the SVG Android issue - Opera for Android was apparently released today > (as Chaals or someone said it would be): > http://en.onsoftware.com/opera-mobile-for-android-released/ > > > David > > > From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:svg-develop...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Jacob Beard > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:27 PM > To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Adobe AIR drops SVG > > > > I think the argument he uses about SVG increasing the size of the > runtime is not uncommon, though. My understanding is that this is the > reason Android does not include SVG support in their webkit-based browser. > > On that note, I wonder if svg-web works with Adobe Flash on Android? > This might be a way of bringing some SVG support to the Android browser. > > Jake > > On 10-11-10 06:18 PM, Jacob Beard wrote: >> Wow, they disabled a lot of nice HTML5 features. >> >> A perhaps better (and open) alternative to Air may be GTK+ with >> embedded Webkit. I've been playing around with it, and it's actually >> quite nice and easy to work with, although I haven't tried it on >> Windows or Mac OS X. On Ubuntu 10.04, at least, SVG support is >> included in libwebkit which GTK uses, although strangely I haven't >> been able to get SMIL animation to work. >> >> Also related, if you're interested in developing RIA's for GNOME, >> Seedkit is worth watching, as it gives you the Webkit runtime, and >> exposes native GTK and GNOME objects to the scripting environment: >> http://live.gnome.org/SeedKit >> >> Jake >> >> On 10-11-10 06:06 PM, Dailey, David P. wrote: >>> >>> Citing the marvels of and new CSS features, Adobe has >>> disabled the SVG support in AIR. The statement is a bit odd: >>> >>> "a great deal of interest lately is support for SVG" >>> Later >>> "coupled with a trend toward reduced interest in SVG graphics" >>> and finally: >>> "renewed interest in rich JavaScript applications powered by HTML5 >>> canvas and faster JavaScript engines increased the number of requests >>> for scriptable vector graphics via SVG." >>> >>> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/ajax/articles/air_and_webkit.html >>> >>> Oneiromancy is apparently not their specialty any more. They could >>> stand a tea-leaf reading lesson from the after-hours discussions at >>> SVG Open I think. >>> >>> David >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com > -or- > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my > membership" > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] Adobe AIR drops SVG
Doug Schepers makes the good point that their statement could mean that "we decided early on not to support SVG, even though we had the WebKit code, because we thought there wasn't much interest..." "... but now people have been asking for it more, so we are looking into supporting it in a future release." I suspect there are a lot of folks at Adobe who wish they had never heard of SVG since they have to keep changing their mind about whether or not they like it! I predict exactly one more change of mind on the subject and that it will be rather far-reaching. On the SVG Android issue - Opera for Android was apparently released today (as Chaals or someone said it would be): http://en.onsoftware.com/opera-mobile-for-android-released/ David From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:svg-develop...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Beard Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:27 PM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Adobe AIR drops SVG I think the argument he uses about SVG increasing the size of the runtime is not uncommon, though. My understanding is that this is the reason Android does not include SVG support in their webkit-based browser. On that note, I wonder if svg-web works with Adobe Flash on Android? This might be a way of bringing some SVG support to the Android browser. Jake On 10-11-10 06:18 PM, Jacob Beard wrote: > Wow, they disabled a lot of nice HTML5 features. > > A perhaps better (and open) alternative to Air may be GTK+ with > embedded Webkit. I've been playing around with it, and it's actually > quite nice and easy to work with, although I haven't tried it on > Windows or Mac OS X. On Ubuntu 10.04, at least, SVG support is > included in libwebkit which GTK uses, although strangely I haven't > been able to get SMIL animation to work. > > Also related, if you're interested in developing RIA's for GNOME, > Seedkit is worth watching, as it gives you the Webkit runtime, and > exposes native GTK and GNOME objects to the scripting environment: > http://live.gnome.org/SeedKit > > Jake > > On 10-11-10 06:06 PM, Dailey, David P. wrote: >> >> Citing the marvels of and new CSS features, Adobe has >> disabled the SVG support in AIR. The statement is a bit odd: >> >> "a great deal of interest lately is support for SVG" >> Later >> "coupled with a trend toward reduced interest in SVG graphics" >> and finally: >> "renewed interest in rich JavaScript applications powered by HTML5 >> canvas and faster JavaScript engines increased the number of requests >> for scriptable vector graphics via SVG." >> >> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/ajax/articles/air_and_webkit.html >> >> Oneiromancy is apparently not their specialty any more. They could >> stand a tea-leaf reading lesson from the after-hours discussions at >> SVG Open I think. >> >> David >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Adobe AIR drops SVG
For out of browser apps built with open web technologies look at Titanium. http://www.appcelerator.com/ Both AIR and Titanium use WebKit to render your content, but Titanium doesn't strip out competing technologies, because the developers don't OWN any competing technologies. Titanium is free and open source. Who needs AIR? Guy On 11/11/2010, at 4:31 AM, veiko herne wrote: > Re: X. On Ubuntu 10.04, at least, SVG support is included in libwebkit which > GTK uses, although strangely I haven't been able to get SMIL animation > to work. > > Being in SVG conference in Paris on September 2010 it was confirmed that my > SVG > clips which I did in 2006 (wonderries.mobi) does yet not play right with > WebKit. > > I wonder why my clips was playing right on Nokia devices which are using > WebKit? > > In 2006 Nokia was using Real player which included Adobe SVG code. Then my > clips > played only when going to the full screen mode. > > Maybe it comes from there? Also Nokia QT toolkit specifies SVG library > separately from WebKit functions. > > > Veiko > > > > > - Original Message > From: Jacob Beard > To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, November 10, 2010 6:18:19 PM > Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Adobe AIR drops SVG > > Wow, they disabled a lot of nice HTML5 features. > > A perhaps better (and open) alternative to Air may be GTK+ with embedded > Webkit. I've been playing around with it, and it's actually quite nice > and easy to work with, although I haven't tried it on Windows or Mac OS > X. On Ubuntu 10.04, at least, SVG support is included in libwebkit which > GTK uses, although strangely I haven't been able to get SMIL animation > to work. > > Also related, if you're interested in developing RIA's for GNOME, > Seedkit is worth watching, as it gives you the Webkit runtime, and > exposes native GTK and GNOME objects to the scripting environment: > http://live.gnome.org/SeedKit > > Jake > > On 10-11-10 06:06 PM, Dailey, David P. wrote: >> >> Citing the marvels of and new CSS features, Adobe has >> disabled the SVG support in AIR. The statement is a bit odd: >> >> "a great deal of interest lately is support for SVG" >> Later >> "coupled with a trend toward reduced interest in SVG graphics" >> and finally: >> "renewed interest in rich JavaScript applications powered by HTML5 >> canvas and faster JavaScript engines increased the number of requests >> for scriptable vector graphics via SVG." >> >> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/ajax/articles/air_and_webkit.html >> >> Oneiromancy is apparently not their specialty any more. They could >> stand a tea-leaf reading lesson from the after-hours discussions at >> SVG Open I think. >> >> David >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com > -or- > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my > membership" > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com > -or- > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my > membership" > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Adobe AIR drops SVG
Re: X. On Ubuntu 10.04, at least, SVG support is included in libwebkit which GTK uses, although strangely I haven't been able to get SMIL animation to work. Being in SVG conference in Paris on September 2010 it was confirmed that my SVG clips which I did in 2006 (wonderries.mobi) does yet not play right with WebKit. I wonder why my clips was playing right on Nokia devices which are using WebKit? In 2006 Nokia was using Real player which included Adobe SVG code. Then my clips played only when going to the full screen mode. Maybe it comes from there? Also Nokia QT toolkit specifies SVG library separately from WebKit functions. Veiko - Original Message From: Jacob Beard To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, November 10, 2010 6:18:19 PM Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Adobe AIR drops SVG Wow, they disabled a lot of nice HTML5 features. A perhaps better (and open) alternative to Air may be GTK+ with embedded Webkit. I've been playing around with it, and it's actually quite nice and easy to work with, although I haven't tried it on Windows or Mac OS X. On Ubuntu 10.04, at least, SVG support is included in libwebkit which GTK uses, although strangely I haven't been able to get SMIL animation to work. Also related, if you're interested in developing RIA's for GNOME, Seedkit is worth watching, as it gives you the Webkit runtime, and exposes native GTK and GNOME objects to the scripting environment: http://live.gnome.org/SeedKit Jake On 10-11-10 06:06 PM, Dailey, David P. wrote: > > Citing the marvels of and new CSS features, Adobe has > disabled the SVG support in AIR. The statement is a bit odd: > > "a great deal of interest lately is support for SVG" > Later > "coupled with a trend toward reduced interest in SVG graphics" > and finally: > "renewed interest in rich JavaScript applications powered by HTML5 > canvas and faster JavaScript engines increased the number of requests > for scriptable vector graphics via SVG." > > http://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/ajax/articles/air_and_webkit.html > > Oneiromancy is apparently not their specialty any more. They could > stand a tea-leaf reading lesson from the after-hours discussions at > SVG Open I think. > > David > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Adobe AIR drops SVG
I think the argument he uses about SVG increasing the size of the runtime is not uncommon, though. My understanding is that this is the reason Android does not include SVG support in their webkit-based browser. On that note, I wonder if svg-web works with Adobe Flash on Android? This might be a way of bringing some SVG support to the Android browser. Jake On 10-11-10 06:18 PM, Jacob Beard wrote: > Wow, they disabled a lot of nice HTML5 features. > > A perhaps better (and open) alternative to Air may be GTK+ with > embedded Webkit. I've been playing around with it, and it's actually > quite nice and easy to work with, although I haven't tried it on > Windows or Mac OS X. On Ubuntu 10.04, at least, SVG support is > included in libwebkit which GTK uses, although strangely I haven't > been able to get SMIL animation to work. > > Also related, if you're interested in developing RIA's for GNOME, > Seedkit is worth watching, as it gives you the Webkit runtime, and > exposes native GTK and GNOME objects to the scripting environment: > http://live.gnome.org/SeedKit > > Jake > > On 10-11-10 06:06 PM, Dailey, David P. wrote: >> >> Citing the marvels of and new CSS features, Adobe has >> disabled the SVG support in AIR. The statement is a bit odd: >> >> "a great deal of interest lately is support for SVG" >> Later >> "coupled with a trend toward reduced interest in SVG graphics" >> and finally: >> "renewed interest in rich JavaScript applications powered by HTML5 >> canvas and faster JavaScript engines increased the number of requests >> for scriptable vector graphics via SVG." >> >> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/ajax/articles/air_and_webkit.html >> >> Oneiromancy is apparently not their specialty any more. They could >> stand a tea-leaf reading lesson from the after-hours discussions at >> SVG Open I think. >> >> David >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Adobe AIR drops SVG
Wow, they disabled a lot of nice HTML5 features. A perhaps better (and open) alternative to Air may be GTK+ with embedded Webkit. I've been playing around with it, and it's actually quite nice and easy to work with, although I haven't tried it on Windows or Mac OS X. On Ubuntu 10.04, at least, SVG support is included in libwebkit which GTK uses, although strangely I haven't been able to get SMIL animation to work. Also related, if you're interested in developing RIA's for GNOME, Seedkit is worth watching, as it gives you the Webkit runtime, and exposes native GTK and GNOME objects to the scripting environment: http://live.gnome.org/SeedKit Jake On 10-11-10 06:06 PM, Dailey, David P. wrote: > > Citing the marvels of and new CSS features, Adobe has > disabled the SVG support in AIR. The statement is a bit odd: > > "a great deal of interest lately is support for SVG" > Later > "coupled with a trend toward reduced interest in SVG graphics" > and finally: > "renewed interest in rich JavaScript applications powered by HTML5 > canvas and faster JavaScript engines increased the number of requests > for scriptable vector graphics via SVG." > > http://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/ajax/articles/air_and_webkit.html > > Oneiromancy is apparently not their specialty any more. They could > stand a tea-leaf reading lesson from the after-hours discussions at > SVG Open I think. > > David > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
