Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On 25 Feb 2014, at 07:52, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 05:22:22PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2014-Feb-22 13:14:38 +0100, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 07:23:50PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: I'd also query the reason for including Debian-specific code in the FreeBSD base. Where have you seen debian specific code? /usr/src/contrib/dma/debian - as far as I can tell, this directory is Debion specific. I thought we stripped out irrelevant code from third party imports but looking wider, there is similarly irrelevant code in a variety of other contrib imports. I'll withdraw that objection. -- Peter Jeremy Have you already looked at how contrib works? who cares FYI you can also find some win32 specific code in there, debian packaging code, rpm spec files etc. For the libc++ imports, we strip out the support directory, which contains Solaris and Win32-specific stuff. If we end up with a support/freebsd, then we'll bring that in, but not support/solaris and support/win32. That stuff is in the vendor branch, but it just seems polite not to make people who check out head get files that are never used when building FreeBSD in any configuration. David ___ svn-src-head@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-head To unsubscribe, send any mail to svn-src-head-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 08:49:47AM +, David Chisnall wrote: On 25 Feb 2014, at 07:52, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 05:22:22PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2014-Feb-22 13:14:38 +0100, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 07:23:50PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: I'd also query the reason for including Debian-specific code in the FreeBSD base. Where have you seen debian specific code? /usr/src/contrib/dma/debian - as far as I can tell, this directory is Debion specific. I thought we stripped out irrelevant code from third party imports but looking wider, there is similarly irrelevant code in a variety of other contrib imports. I'll withdraw that objection. -- Peter Jeremy Have you already looked at how contrib works? who cares FYI you can also find some win32 specific code in there, debian packaging code, rpm spec files etc. For the libc++ imports, we strip out the support directory, which contains Solaris and Win32-specific stuff. If we end up with a support/freebsd, then we'll bring that in, but not support/solaris and support/win32. That stuff is in the vendor branch, but it just seems polite not to make people who check out head get files that are never used when building FreeBSD in any configuration. David Last time I asked about those (iirc when importing byacc) I have been told that as long as they are not huge (aka take long to checkout) we do not care about them anymore and that simplifies mergeing from vendor. regards, Bapt pgppx2fjQwf0h.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:52 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 05:22:22PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2014-Feb-22 13:14:38 +0100, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 07:23:50PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: I'd also query the reason for including Debian-specific code in the FreeBSD base. Where have you seen debian specific code? /usr/src/contrib/dma/debian - as far as I can tell, this directory is Debion specific. I thought we stripped out irrelevant code from third party imports but looking wider, there is similarly irrelevant code in a variety of other contrib imports. I'll withdraw that objection. -- Peter Jeremy Have you already looked at how contrib works? who cares FYI you can also find some win32 specific code in there, debian packaging code, rpm spec files etc. Historically we import everything into the vendor branch, but then only import the FreeBSD specific stuff into src/contrib. Sure, there are some mistakes in this, but the mistakes don’t prove the point. Warner ___ svn-src-head@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-head To unsubscribe, send any mail to svn-src-head-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On 25 February 2014 03:49, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote: For the libc++ imports, we strip out the support directory, which contains Solaris and Win32-specific stuff. If we end up with a support/freebsd, then we'll bring that in, but not support/solaris and support/win32. That stuff is in the vendor branch, but it just seems polite not to make people who check out head get files that are never used when building FreeBSD in any configuration. And, this is the process documented in the subversion primer in the committers guide: Unlike in CVS where only the needed parts were imported into the vendor tree to avoid bloating the main tree, Subversion is able to store a full distribution in the vendor tree. So, import everything, but merge only what is required. We should probably drop the Unlike in CVS bit, as differences vs. the process used in 2008 become increasingly less relevant. Some additional advice or examples on how to merge only what is required will be useful too -- for instance, identifying and excluding files added since the last vendor import that are not desired in HEAD. That said, for the LLDB imports to date I stripped the tree before the import to vendor/. When I do another import after the current work is merged to HEAD I'll import everything in vendor/, and take notes as I do the merge to HEAD in order to update the committer's guide. ___ svn-src-head@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-head To unsubscribe, send any mail to svn-src-head-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On 2014-Feb-22 13:14:38 +0100, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 07:23:50PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: I'd also query the reason for including Debian-specific code in the FreeBSD base. Where have you seen debian specific code? /usr/src/contrib/dma/debian - as far as I can tell, this directory is Debion specific. I thought we stripped out irrelevant code from third party imports but looking wider, there is similarly irrelevant code in a variety of other contrib imports. I'll withdraw that objection. -- Peter Jeremy pgpV04w7lNV4M.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 05:22:22PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2014-Feb-22 13:14:38 +0100, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 07:23:50PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: I'd also query the reason for including Debian-specific code in the FreeBSD base. Where have you seen debian specific code? /usr/src/contrib/dma/debian - as far as I can tell, this directory is Debion specific. I thought we stripped out irrelevant code from third party imports but looking wider, there is similarly irrelevant code in a variety of other contrib imports. I'll withdraw that objection. -- Peter Jeremy Have you already looked at how contrib works? who cares FYI you can also find some win32 specific code in there, debian packaging code, rpm spec files etc. regards, Bapt pgpvwQ64M00z1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On 2014-Feb-21 07:26:49 +, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: Log: Import Dragonfly Mail Agent into base system I would like to suggest that 'dma' is a _really_ bad name for any utility. As has been mentioned, 'DMA' has had a well-entrenched meaning for decades and overloading to also refer to a MTA is not going to end well. I'd also query the reason for including Debian-specific code in the FreeBSD base. -- Peter Jeremy pgpmzMVf62Z1f.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 07:23:50PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2014-Feb-21 07:26:49 +, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: Log: Import Dragonfly Mail Agent into base system I would like to suggest that 'dma' is a _really_ bad name for any utility. As has been mentioned, 'DMA' has had a well-entrenched meaning for decades and overloading to also refer to a MTA is not going to end well. I'd also query the reason for including Debian-specific code in the FreeBSD base. -- Peter Jeremy Where have you seen debian specific code? regards, Bapt pgp39N1WRIox4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:31:07AM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 07:26 +, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Author: bapt Date: Fri Feb 21 07:26:49 2014 New Revision: 262282 URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/262282 Log: Import Dragonfly Mail Agent into base system It is a small and lightweight Mail Transport Agent. It accepts mails from locally installed Mail User Agents (MUA) and delivers the mails either locally or to a remote destination. Remote delivery includes several features like TLS/SSL support, SMTP authentication and NULLCLIENT. Make dma conditional to new WITHOUT_DMA option and make it respect WITHOUT_MAIL Reviewed by: peter Discussed with: emaste, bz, peter This seems to be causing redundant redeclaration of yylval tinderbox failures. Already fixed, few hours after the import Also, IMO, WITHOUT_DMA is a horrible build option name. DMA has a pretty universally understood meaning in computing, and anyone seeing that as a build option is likely to assume that meaning (and freak out a bit) rather than looking in a manpage for an alternative meaning. How about WITHOUT_DMAGENT? Good idea, done regards, Bapt pgpWkRYPCY7w3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On 2014-02-22 07:14, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 07:23:50PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2014-Feb-21 07:26:49 +, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: Log: Import Dragonfly Mail Agent into base system I would like to suggest that 'dma' is a _really_ bad name for any utility. As has been mentioned, 'DMA' has had a well-entrenched meaning for decades and overloading to also refer to a MTA is not going to end well. I'd also query the reason for including Debian-specific code in the FreeBSD base. -- Peter Jeremy Where have you seen debian specific code? regards, Bapt It's the whole /head/contrib/dma/debian directory. Debian project is considering replacing Sendmail with DMA, and this contains deb package glue for dma and dma-migrate (Debian-specific transition plug). It can probably just be svn rm-ed from FreeBSD src but kept in the vendor import. - Nikolai Lifanov ___ svn-src-head@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-head To unsubscribe, send any mail to svn-src-head-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 07:26:49AM +, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Author: bapt Date: Fri Feb 21 07:26:49 2014 New Revision: 262282 URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/262282 Log: Import Dragonfly Mail Agent into base system It is a small and lightweight Mail Transport Agent. It accepts mails from locally installed Mail User Agents (MUA) and delivers the mails either locally or to a remote destination. Remote delivery includes several features like TLS/SSL support, SMTP authentication and NULLCLIENT. Make dma conditional to new WITHOUT_DMA option and make it respect WITHOUT_MAIL Reviewed by:peter Discussed with: emaste, bz, peter Why? There is /usr/ports/mail/dma. -- steve ___ svn-src-head@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-head To unsubscribe, send any mail to svn-src-head-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 08:01:44AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 07:26:49AM +, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Author: bapt Date: Fri Feb 21 07:26:49 2014 New Revision: 262282 URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/262282 Log: Import Dragonfly Mail Agent into base system It is a small and lightweight Mail Transport Agent. It accepts mails from locally installed Mail User Agents (MUA) and delivers the mails either locally or to a remote destination. Remote delivery includes several features like TLS/SSL support, SMTP authentication and NULLCLIENT. Make dma conditional to new WITHOUT_DMA option and make it respect WITHOUT_MAIL Reviewed by: peter Discussed with: emaste, bz, peter Why? There is /usr/ports/mail/dma. Because there are lot of case where you do not need a full smtp server in base but just be able to deliver locally and/or relay mails outside, dma is very good for that purpose. regards, Bapt pgpf81h9XF5dC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On 21 Feb 2014, at 08:32, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 08:01:44AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 07:26:49AM +, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Author: bapt Date: Fri Feb 21 07:26:49 2014 New Revision: 262282 URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/262282 Log: Import Dragonfly Mail Agent into base system It is a small and lightweight Mail Transport Agent. It accepts mails from locally installed Mail User Agents (MUA) and delivers the mails either locally or to a remote destination. Remote delivery includes several features like TLS/SSL support, SMTP authentication and NULLCLIENT. Make dma conditional to new WITHOUT_DMA option and make it respect WITHOUT_MAIL Reviewed by: peter Discussed with:emaste, bz, peter Why? There is /usr/ports/mail/dma. Because there are lot of case where you do not need a full smtp server in base but just be able to deliver locally and/or relay mails outside, dma is very good for that purpose. I agree with this notion and to be honest the next step should be to remove sendmail from the base system. -- Rui Paulo ___ svn-src-head@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-head To unsubscribe, send any mail to svn-src-head-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 07:26 +, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Author: bapt Date: Fri Feb 21 07:26:49 2014 New Revision: 262282 URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/262282 Log: Import Dragonfly Mail Agent into base system It is a small and lightweight Mail Transport Agent. It accepts mails from locally installed Mail User Agents (MUA) and delivers the mails either locally or to a remote destination. Remote delivery includes several features like TLS/SSL support, SMTP authentication and NULLCLIENT. Make dma conditional to new WITHOUT_DMA option and make it respect WITHOUT_MAIL Reviewed by:peter Discussed with: emaste, bz, peter This seems to be causing redundant redeclaration of yylval tinderbox failures. Also, IMO, WITHOUT_DMA is a horrible build option name. DMA has a pretty universally understood meaning in computing, and anyone seeing that as a build option is likely to assume that meaning (and freak out a bit) rather than looking in a manpage for an alternative meaning. How about WITHOUT_DMAGENT? -- Ian ___ svn-src-head@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-head To unsubscribe, send any mail to svn-src-head-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 05:32:18PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 08:01:44AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 07:26:49AM +, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Author: bapt Date: Fri Feb 21 07:26:49 2014 New Revision: 262282 URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/262282 Log: Import Dragonfly Mail Agent into base system Why? There is /usr/ports/mail/dma. Because there are lot of case where you do not need a full smtp server in base but just be able to deliver locally and/or relay mails outside, dma is very good for that purpose. As there is already a full stmp server in base, your argument is fairly weak. Yes, I know there is now going to be a small, but vocal group of people, demanding the removal of sendmail. So, let's remove both sendmail and dma, and then let the user choose an agent from ports/mail. -- steve ___ svn-src-head@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-head To unsubscribe, send any mail to svn-src-head-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 09:32:04AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 05:32:18PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 08:01:44AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 07:26:49AM +, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Author: bapt Date: Fri Feb 21 07:26:49 2014 New Revision: 262282 URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/262282 Log: Import Dragonfly Mail Agent into base system Why? There is /usr/ports/mail/dma. Because there are lot of case where you do not need a full smtp server in base but just be able to deliver locally and/or relay mails outside, dma is very good for that purpose. As there is already a full stmp server in base, your argument is fairly weak. Yes, I know there is now going to be a small, but vocal group of people, demanding the removal of sendmail. So, let's remove both sendmail and dma, and then let the user choose an agent from ports/mail. Some tools in the base system like cron do expect a working sendmail(1), so we need a working sendmail(1) in base regards, Bapt pgpy3Sqkc1own.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 06:41:51PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 09:32:04AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 05:32:18PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 08:01:44AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 07:26:49AM +, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Author: bapt Date: Fri Feb 21 07:26:49 2014 New Revision: 262282 URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/262282 Log: Import Dragonfly Mail Agent into base system Why? There is /usr/ports/mail/dma. Because there are lot of case where you do not need a full smtp server in base but just be able to deliver locally and/or relay mails outside, dma is very good for that purpose. As there is already a full stmp server in base, your argument is fairly weak. Yes, I know there is now going to be a small, but vocal group of people, demanding the removal of sendmail. So, let's remove both sendmail and dma, and then let the user choose an agent from ports/mail. Some tools in the base system like cron do expect a working sendmail(1), so we need a working sendmail(1) in base That's easily fixed by adding MAILTO= to /etc/crontab. -- Steve ___ svn-src-head@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-head To unsubscribe, send any mail to svn-src-head-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.orgwrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 09:07:23AM -0800, Rui Paulo wrote: On 21 Feb 2014, at 08:32, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 08:01:44AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: Why? There is /usr/ports/mail/dma. Because there are lot of case where you do not need a full smtp server in base but just be able to deliver locally and/or relay mails outside, dma is very good for that purpose. I agree with this notion and to be honest the next step should be to remove sendmail from the base system. I'm strongly support that idea. Baptiste, I appreciate that you've put a lot of thought and effort into this work, and indeed you put in Herculean amounts of effort for the project for which we should all be grateful. In particular, the addition of dma is listed as having been discussed with three other committers, and represents the potential for a very significant change in the base system that we present to our users. As such, I think that it would be beneficial for all parties, if a summary of the reasoning behind this decision could be presented to us. A quick, single-sentence reply does *not* serve this purpose; in fact it is actively working against this purpose, by seeming to brush off the concerns of others without proper consideration. I understand that your time is precious. So is the time of everyone on this list, and a small investment in a well-written description of the reasoning for this change should be able to prevent a long email thread that would waste a lot of many peoples' time. It would probably be best for this description to go to -current, instead of the svn commit lists. Thank you, Ben ___ svn-src-head@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-head To unsubscribe, send any mail to svn-src-head-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/buil
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:56:29PM -0500, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.orgwrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 09:07:23AM -0800, Rui Paulo wrote: On 21 Feb 2014, at 08:32, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 08:01:44AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: Why? There is /usr/ports/mail/dma. Because there are lot of case where you do not need a full smtp server in base but just be able to deliver locally and/or relay mails outside, dma is very good for that purpose. I agree with this notion and to be honest the next step should be to remove sendmail from the base system. I'm strongly support that idea. Baptiste, I appreciate that you've put a lot of thought and effort into this work, and indeed you put in Herculean amounts of effort for the project for which we should all be grateful. In particular, the addition of dma is listed as having been discussed with three other committers, and represents the potential for a very significant change in the base system that we present to our users. As such, I think that it would be beneficial for all parties, if a summary of the reasoning behind this decision could be presented to us. A quick, single-sentence reply does *not* serve this purpose; in fact it is actively working against this purpose, by seeming to brush off the concerns of others without proper consideration. I understand that your time is precious. So is the time of everyone on this list, and a small investment in a well-written description of the reasoning for this change should be able to prevent a long email thread that would waste a lot of many peoples' time. It would probably be best for this description to go to -current, instead of the svn commit lists. You are right I ll prepare a mail describing all that to current@. regards, Bapt pgpQA9jnFCBO9.pgp Description: PGP signature
