Re: [swinog] Autoresponder

2005-11-10 Diskussionsfäden Tonnerre LOMBARD
Salut,

On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 08:16:23AM +0100, Felix Rauch wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Steven Glogger wrote:
> > there's a short answer:
> 
> Short solution:
> Add all the autoresponding addresses to the "swinog-autorespond"
> mailinglist and let them have fun there... ;-)

Cheap neural networks?

Tonnerre


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RE: [swinog] Autoresponder

2005-11-10 Diskussionsfäden Felix Rauch
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Steven Glogger wrote:
> there's a short answer:

Short solution:
Add all the autoresponding addresses to the "swinog-autorespond"
mailinglist and let them have fun there... ;-)

- Felix

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RE: [swinog] Autoresponder

2005-11-10 Diskussionsfäden Steven Glogger
there's a short answer:
there aren't just elite guy on this list - some are journalists, some spys,
some ... ;-)

-steven

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Naef
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 1:31 AM
> To: swinog@swinog.ch
> Subject: [swinog] Autoresponder
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> First of all, I'm not to well known on this list although I'm reading
> it for some time now. For this I probably shouldn't be ranting arround
> here. But one thing I keep *wondering* and annoying about is the fact
> that the swiss networking elite seems not to be able to configure
> their mailers and mail facilities to correctly and politely interfer
> with a mailinglist.
>
> OK, its requires skills and of course some technical magic to
> configure something as complex as a mailclient correctly. But for all
> those who are unwilling or unable to fullfill this job on their own
> there *is* in fact a solution to this problem. It is (astoundingly
> enough) possible to use more than one email account for exchangeing
> electronic mail.
>
> So I dare to kindly ask those unable to go without something evil like
> an *autoresponder* to switch their mailinglist subscriptions to
> another address where they do not need to inform the senders about
> their holidays?
>
> For those having read this far: Thank you. To all atoresponders: Shut up!
>
> cheers, Michi
>
> (don't miss the ;) despite all wigging)
>
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[swinog] Autoresponder

2005-11-10 Diskussionsfäden Michael Naef
Hello all,

First of all, I'm not to well known on this list although I'm reading
it for some time now. For this I probably shouldn't be ranting arround
here. But one thing I keep *wondering* and annoying about is the fact
that the swiss networking elite seems not to be able to configure
their mailers and mail facilities to correctly and politely interfer
with a mailinglist.

OK, its requires skills and of course some technical magic to
configure something as complex as a mailclient correctly. But for all
those who are unwilling or unable to fullfill this job on their own
there *is* in fact a solution to this problem. It is (astoundingly
enough) possible to use more than one email account for exchangeing
electronic mail.

So I dare to kindly ask those unable to go without something evil like
an *autoresponder* to switch their mailinglist subscriptions to
another address where they do not need to inform the senders about
their holidays?

For those having read this far: Thank you. To all atoresponders: Shut up!

cheers, Michi

(don't miss the ;) despite all wigging)

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Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam

2005-11-10 Diskussionsfäden Michael Naef
> > Since those Copy-Protected CDs do not comply with this standard,
> > Philipps sees a
> > patent-violation in this.
>
> For once, a patent had something good about it.

It's got nothing to do with patents. It's about the rules of usage
(license) of a trademark (registered compact disc logo).

Michi
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Re: AW: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam

2005-11-10 Diskussionsfäden Andre Oppermann
Some time ago the law was changed to actually forbid importing DVDs
from any other country (even EU).  It caused a lot of outrage and
the law was changed back a year later.  That's why there was some
time when Code1 DVD was forbidden entirely and DVD shop owner were
not allowed to buy their stock in Germany, France or Italy for
example.  They had buy everything at the official Swiss importers
at inflated prices.  On top of that the importers didn't want to
stock many films and limited the choice.  Since about two years
DVDs may be (commercially and) legally imported again.  Much more
choice now again and the milking of the consumer was stopped again.

-- 
Andre


Xaver Aerni wrote:
> 
> You can buy online by www.1a-dvdshop.ch ore laserzone.ch
> 
> and ohter Videostores.
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Viktor Steinmann
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November 2005 15:20
> An: swinog@swinog.ch
> Betreff: Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam
> 
> Uh... maybe that's true for the players. Try to buy a Region-1 DVD in CH...
> 
> (yes, I know that Amazon.com etc. are shipping from the US, but that's not
> the
> point)
> 
> Cheers,
> Viktor
> 
> Zitat von Attila Kinali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > The regio protection is already declared illegal in Switzerland.
> > Or why do you think you can here to buy a region-free
> > dvd player while you cannot in Germany ?
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AW: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam

2005-11-10 Diskussionsfäden Xaver Aerni
You can buy online by www.1a-dvdshop.ch ore laserzone.ch

and ohter Videostores.

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Viktor Steinmann
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November 2005 15:20
An: swinog@swinog.ch
Betreff: Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam


Uh... maybe that's true for the players. Try to buy a Region-1 DVD in CH...

(yes, I know that Amazon.com etc. are shipping from the US, but that's not
the
point)

Cheers,
Viktor

Zitat von Attila Kinali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> The regio protection is already declared illegal in Switzerland.
> Or why do you think you can here to buy a region-free
> dvd player while you cannot in Germany ?


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Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam

2005-11-10 Diskussionsfäden Martin Ebnoether

Viktor Steinmann schrieb:

Uh... maybe that's true for the players. Try to buy a Region-1 DVD in CH...

(yes, I know that Amazon.com etc. are shipping from the US, but that's 
not the

point)


Since I have to pick up some ordered DVDs[1] from Laserzone[2] 
tonight, I'll ask the folks there. Stay tuned.


CU, Venty

[1] La Linea, Signor Rossi. Both Region 2.
[2] http://www.laserzone.ch/



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Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam

2005-11-10 Diskussionsfäden Viktor Steinmann

Uh... maybe that's true for the players. Try to buy a Region-1 DVD in CH...

(yes, I know that Amazon.com etc. are shipping from the US, but that's not the
point)

Cheers,
Viktor

Zitat von Attila Kinali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


The regio protection is already declared illegal in Switzerland.
Or why do you think you can here to buy a region-free
dvd player while you cannot in Germany ?



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Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam

2005-11-10 Diskussionsfäden Martin Ebnoether

Tobias Goeller schrieb:

Hoi.

Since those Copy-Protected CDs do not comply with this standard, 
Philipps sees a

patent-violation in this.


For once, a patent had something good about it.

CU, Venty

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Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam

2005-11-10 Diskussionsfäden Tobias Goeller


'llo!

Quoting Attila Kinali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On Wed,  9 Nov 2005 16:22:43 +0100
The regio protection is already declared illegal in Switzerland.
Or why do you think you can here to buy a region-free
dvd player while you cannot in Germany ?


[..]


BTW: It's also illegal to sell copy protected
music CDs that carry the compact disc label[1],
as they do not conform to the compact disc standard.


Please don't mix those up, they're 100% independent each from another.
The first
thing is a legal fact valid for switzerland, it is swiss law (iirc
"Verbraucherrecht").

The second is a copyright / patent issue brought up by philipps who is
the owner
of the Compact-Disc standard. All others using this label are licensing this
standard.

Since those Copy-Protected CDs do not comply with this standard,
Philipps sees a
patent-violation in this.

CU
Tobias
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Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam

2005-11-10 Diskussionsfäden Attila Kinali
On Wed,  9 Nov 2005 16:22:43 +0100
Viktor Steinmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> [x] Declare Spamming illegal
> [ ] Declare protection of Music CDs illegal
> [ ] Declare Region-Protection of DVDs illegal

The regio protection is already declared illegal in Switzerland.
Or why do you think you can here to buy a region-free
dvd player while you cannot in Germany ?

But dont ask me where it's written. I had a quick look
at admin.ch but couldn't find it.

BTW: It's also illegal to sell copy protected 
music CDs that carry the compact disc label[1],
as they do not conform to the compact disc standard.


Attila Kinali

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Compactd.JPG
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Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam

2005-11-10 Diskussionsfäden Peter Baumann
On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 15:27 +0100, Christa Pfister wrote:
> - Die Zustellung von unverlangter E-Mail-Werbung an unbekannte und
> wahllos zusammengestellte Adressen, welche im Internet gesammelt
> wurden, stellt eine widerrechtliche Datenbearbeitung im Sinne von Art.
> 12 Abs. 2 Bst. a in Verbindung mit Art. 4 DSG dar (E. 5.1-5.7).


Can I sue Mr. Fürst now


Peter
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