Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Boris Meyer
Moin Roger

Nothing special happened the last few days, everything worked as usual.

irc.swinog.ch not reachable - you have any traceroute output?

irc.subcult.ch also worked fine - for ident-issue, give identd a chance ;)

For any questions ... /msg me in the ircnet now (you know my nick).

Regards,
Boris

 irc.swinog.ch is not reachable via bluewin 
 irc.subcult.ch telling me after connect checking ident .. found your hostname 
 .. and then stays like that 

 whats happen ?

 Roger

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Roman Hochuli
Dear All

 irc.swinog.ch not reachable - you have any traceroute output?

As a result of a DDoS against the SwissIX IP-Range the prefix of SwissIX
is at the moment only reachable by its peers.

We are working towards bringing the irc-server back online. But in the
mean time eiher use another server of the mesh or have a
SwissIX-connected ISP ;).

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Boris Meyer

PS: The actual list of all available servers is listed at: 
http://irc.subcult.ch
 As a result of a DDoS against the SwissIX IP-Range the prefix of SwissIX
 is at the moment only reachable by its peers.

 We are working towards bringing the irc-server back online. But in the
 mean time eiher use another server of the mesh or have a
 SwissIX-connected ISP ;).

   

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Stanislav Sinyagin
why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? 
I think more people on this list have skype than IRC 
client software (me, for example :-)



- Original Message 
 From: Boris Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 3:51:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
 
 
 PS: The actual list of all available servers is listed at: 
 http://irc.subcult.ch
  As a result of a DDoS against the SwissIX IP-Range the prefix of SwissIX
  is at the moment only reachable by its peers.
 
  We are working towards bringing the irc-server back online. But in the
  mean time eiher use another server of the mesh or have a
  SwissIX-connected ISP ;).
 
   
 
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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Roman Hochuli
 why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? 

Will that work with my enter your chosen OS here?

 I think more people on this list have skype than IRC 
 client software (me, for example :-)

It's simple, it's vintage, it's reliable and clients are available for
pretty much every known device. Or in other words: it's plain geeky.
Reason enough? ;)

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Roman Hochuli
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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden roger
installing a P2P phose client just for chatting ?
IRC is basic, works very well even on very slow satelite link without causing 
congestion.
And at least it doesnt depend on some thirdparty Services,the servers are 
under our control.

Roger

Am 6 Oct 2008 um 16:15 hat Roman Hochuli geschrieben:

  why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? 
 
 Will that work with my enter your chosen OS here?
 
  I think more people on this list have skype than IRC 
  client software (me, for example :-)
 
 It's simple, it's vintage, it's reliable and clients are available for
 pretty much every known device. Or in other words: it's plain geeky.
 Reason enough? ;)
 
 -- 
 Best regards,
 Roman Hochuli
 Operations Manager
 
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 Fax: +41 44 562 30 41
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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Stanislav Sinyagin


  why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? 
 
 Will that work with my enter your chosen OS here?

well, almost :)
http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/

  I think more people on this list have skype than IRC 
  client software (me, for example :-)
 
 It's simple, it's vintage, it's reliable and clients are available for
 pretty much every known device. Or in other words: it's plain geeky.
 Reason enough? ;)

almost anyone uses skype anyway, so why bother :)

Roger IRC is basic, works very well even on very slow satelite link...

show me a satellite link in Switzerland :-)

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Silvan Gebhardt
my grandmother in scheid is using one - its faster then the DSL there ;)

costs around 40 Bucks / month :)


astra2connect

Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb:
 
 why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? 
 Will that work with my enter your chosen OS here?
 
 well, almost :)
 http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/
 
 I think more people on this list have skype than IRC 
 client software (me, for example :-)
 It's simple, it's vintage, it's reliable and clients are available for
 pretty much every known device. Or in other words: it's plain geeky.
 Reason enough? ;)
 
 almost anyone uses skype anyway, so why bother :)
 
 Roger IRC is basic, works very well even on very slow satelite link...
 
 show me a satellite link in Switzerland :-)
 
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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Christian Jouas
Hmm VoIP is very network sensitive and it would be useless in case of
network troubles.
I thinking about joining this Swinog IRC network, currently I'm on
EFNET via irc.efnet.ch
What are the right channels to join ? Regarding the stats of
http://irc.subcult.ch looks to be more German channels than English
ones.

Chris


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stanislav Sinyagin
Sent: lundi, 6. octobre 2008 16:02
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? 
I think more people on this list have skype than IRC 
client software (me, for example :-)



- Original Message 
 From: Boris Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 3:51:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
 
 
 PS: The actual list of all available servers is listed at: 
 http://irc.subcult.ch
  As a result of a DDoS against the SwissIX IP-Range the prefix of
SwissIX
  is at the moment only reachable by its peers.
 
  We are working towards bringing the irc-server back online. But in
the
  mean time eiher use another server of the mesh or have a
  SwissIX-connected ISP ;).
 
   
 
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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Silvan Gebhardt
I can never on monday :(

so I vote for the beer events to be on another weekday once ;)
and for a jabber room

(there are a lot of jabber servers that could host one maintained by
Swinog members)


Silvan



Marc Balmer schrieb:
 * Silvan Gebhardt wrote:
 I vote for a jabber chatroom ;)
 
 let's meet in a pub ;)

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
 installing a P2P phose client just for chatting ?
 IRC is basic, works very well even on very slow satelite link without 
 causing 
 congestion.
 And at least it doesnt depend on some thirdparty Services,the servers are 
 under our control.

 Roger

 Am 6 Oct 2008 um 16:15 hat Roman Hochuli geschrieben:

 why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? 
 Will that work with my enter your chosen OS here?

 I think more people on this list have skype than IRC 
 client software (me, for example :-)
 It's simple, it's vintage, it's reliable and clients are available for
 pretty much every known device. Or in other words: it's plain geeky.
 Reason enough? ;)

 -- 
 Best regards,
 Roman Hochuli
 Operations Manager

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 CH-8152 Glattbrugg

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 Fax: +41 44 562 30 41
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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Peter Keel
* on the Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 07:02:18AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote:
 why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? 
 I think more people on this list have skype than IRC 
 client software (me, for example :-)

I don't. And I WON'T. 

I've done too much cmputer security, and now I've got a
déformation professionelle. I won't use closed software
for anything crucial like communication; something where
I can't even run the server myself (or decide whose server
I want to use). 

On the other hand, I've got an IRC-Server running too ;)
And I'm available with Jabber, of course. 

Cheers
Seegras
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Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve 
neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin
It's also true that those who would give up privacy for security are 
likely to end up with neither. -- Bruce Schneier
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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Steven.Glogger
swissix stopped announcing the prefix because of this.
i think you might join via irc.subcult.ch (which might have an interconnection 
with irc.swissix.ch).

-steven

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johannes Resch
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

Boris Meyer wrote:
 PS: The actual list of all available servers is listed at:
 http://irc.subcult.ch

since this recent DDoS related change I cannot reach any of the listed IRC 
servers from hetzner.de space (AS24940, 78.46.0.0/15) anymore.

would be great if somebody could fix this..

cheers,
-jr


 As a result of a DDoS against the SwissIX IP-Range the prefix of
 SwissIX is at the moment only reachable by its peers.

 We are working towards bringing the irc-server back online. But in
 the mean time eiher use another server of the mesh or have a
 SwissIX-connected ISP ;).



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[swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
Peter Keel wrote:
 * on the Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 07:02:18AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote:
 why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? 
 I think more people on this list have skype than IRC 
 client software (me, for example :-)
 
 I don't. And I WON'T. 
 
 I've done too much cmputer security, and now I've got a
 déformation professionelle. I won't use closed software
 for anything crucial like communication;

You don't use Cisco's or Junipers? How do you use the Internet actually?
Or for that matter, did you actually really get that BIOS source of your
computer and that of the video card etc etc?

And of course, with Open Source: did you check every single line of the
source, and that of the compiler, and all the tools that that was made
with etc etc etc? Ah, indeed you didn't, thus please don't claim that
Open Source is more secure because you have the source, because it
is impossible to check.

 something where I can't even run the server myself (or decide whose server
 I want to use). 

Some people like A, some people like B.

Some people like irc.swinog.ch, some people like
Undernet/IRCnet/EFnet/ whatever floats your boat.

Greets,
 Jeroen



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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Tonnerre Lombard
Salut, Roman,

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:15:47 +0200, Roman Hochuli wrote:
 It's simple, it's vintage, it's reliable and clients are available for
 pretty much every known device. Or in other words: it's plain geeky.
 Reason enough? ;)

Nah. IRC is ubiquitous, that's it. If you want something geeky, there's
ICB or SILC.

Tonnerre


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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Stanislav Sinyagin
it was about chat (plain text chat), not a conference call :-)



- Original Message 
 From: Tonnerre Lombard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 12:13:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
 
 Salut, Stanislav,
 
 On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Stanislav Sinyagin wrote:
  why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? 
 
 Why do you want to hear us snore?
 
 Tonnerre

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Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
Jeroen Massar wrote:

 And of course, with Open Source: did you check every single line of
 the source, and that of the compiler, and all the tools that that was
 made with etc etc etc? Ah, indeed you didn't, thus please don't claim
 that Open Source is more secure because you have the source,
 because it is impossible to check.

The idea of open source is not so much that you get to check it
yourself, but much more that it is open for hundreds of thousands of
other people to check.  If for instance the quality/security of a piece
of code is proportional to the number of times it's been reviewed, then
yes, open source is quite possibly more secure. 


/Per Jessen, Herrliberg ZH

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