Re: [swinog] Swisscom "disables" xxx website!?
> why everone is talking only about swisscom? Because they are the biggest Large target -> easy shot. Or was that a rhetorical question? ;-) > what about cablecom/upc, sunrise, thenet, init7, etcetc... > what are you doing against that? > would be interesting to see, what is everyone doing to prevent > cyberterror? The same, I must assume. (I.e.: get rid of the problem by null-routing the targeted IP). But I'm glad that 20min actually went forward with the story. Wouldn't have surprised me if the guy had to shop the story around. > (this might be probably an interesting topic for swinog-20...). > > beside DoS attacks there are other possiblities. what if someone is nuking > telehouse? what if someone putting fire into an exchange? what if someone > breaks into an exchange and steals hardware armed/unarmed (already happend > in if i'm not wrong chicago) Well, it will only happen if there is some profit to make and this is the easiest way to reach the goal. Cui bono? > this topic is sooo huuuge ,-) Indeed. cheers, Rainer ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Swisscom "disables" xxx website!?
> why everone is talking only about swisscom? Because they are the biggest Large target -> easy shot. Or was that a rhetorical question? ;-) > what about cablecom/upc, sunrise, thenet, init7, etcetc... > what are you doing against that? > would be interesting to see, what is everyone doing to prevent > cyberterror? The same, I must assume. (I.e.: get rid of the problem by null-routing the targeted IP). But I'm glad that 20min actually went forward with the story. Wouldn't have surprised me if the guy had to shop the story around. > (this might be probably an interesting topic for swinog-20...). > > beside DoS attacks there are other possiblities. what if someone is nuking > telehouse? what if someone putting fire into an exchange? what if someone > breaks into an exchange and steals hardware armed/unarmed (already happend > in if i'm not wrong chicago) Well, it will only happen if there is some profit to make and this is the easiest way to reach the goal. Cui bono? > this topic is sooo huuuge ,-) Indeed. cheers, Rainer ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRCnet server for *.ch
Hoi, On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Fabian Uebersax wrote: > Hi everybody, > > We've decided that we no longer have the resources to host our IRC > server irc.datacomm.ch / irc.span.ch, which is connected to IRCnet > (http://www.ircnet.com/). > > Currently, we're the only swiss server for IRCnet. That's not quite true as of today :) > If you're interested please contact me offlist, thanks! So, I was interested and so was IP-Man. Fabian, Greg and I got together, scored a machine, went on vacations, got sick, procrastinated and then finally today hung up a new machine in Geneva (about 200m from the Jet d'Eau :). This server is called ircnet.ipng.ch and is accessible for all LI and CH users (at least, if you have a netblock registered at RIPE NCC). If you have access issues, please contact me off-list at irc...@ipng.ch and we'll take a look at adding a manual config entry for your network(s). Enjoy, groet, Pim -- Pim van Pelt PBVP1-RIPE - http://www.ipng.nl/ ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Swisscom "disables" xxx website!?
why everone is talking only about swisscom? what about cablecom/upc, sunrise, thenet, init7, etcetc... what are you doing against that? would be interesting to see, what is everyone doing to prevent cyberterror? (this might be probably an interesting topic for swinog-20...). beside DoS attacks there are other possiblities. what if someone is nuking telehouse? what if someone putting fire into an exchange? what if someone breaks into an exchange and steals hardware armed/unarmed (already happend in if i'm not wrong chicago) this topic is sooo huuuge ,-) -steven > -Original Message- > From: swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch > [mailto:swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of Adrian Senn > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:34 PM > To: swi...@swinog.ch > Subject: Re: [swinog] Swisscom "disables" xxx website!? > > Ok this time it was "only" a xxx website. And next time? > > Sorry if a provider goes the way that he shut down some of > his customer, because of a DDOS Attack it will be voulnerable > also for other cyberterror things. > And voulnerable means not on the technical way, but on the > financial and political way. > > So it would be interesting how Swisscom would solve this > challenge in the future. > > Adrian > > ___ > swinog mailing list > swinog@lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
[swinog] SwiNOG-BE77 - Beer Event 77 - 7th of Sept ember 2009 @ Albisgüetli / ZH
hi everybody here's the announcement for the next beer event: the facts for the next event: - Date: 7th of September 2009 Time: starting around 18.30 o'clock Location: @ the "Schützenhaus" @Albisgüetli in ZH http://www.albisguetli.ch Registration deadline: 06.09.2009 18:00:00 - Please register here: http://swinog.mrmouse.ch/ since we have to make reservations, i need to know who's coming and who not. If you cannot attend and you're registered please inform me asap (+41 79 277 92 35). greetings -steven ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Swisscom "disables" xxx website!?
Ok this time it was "only" a xxx website. And next time? Sorry if a provider goes the way that he shut down some of his customer, because of a DDOS Attack it will be voulnerable also for other cyberterror things. And voulnerable means not on the technical way, but on the financial and political way. So it would be interesting how Swisscom would solve this challenge in the future. Adrian ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
[swinog] DENOG1 conference registrations are now open
Hi all, the German Network Operators Group (DENOG) is holding its first meeting on the 5th of November 2009 in Frankfurt, Germany. Registrations are now open at http://meeting.denog.de/registration_en.html Please note that you can benefit from our early bird rebate if you register early. A quick reminder: We are still accepting applications for presentations or short lightning talks. If you are interested please read our CfP at http://meeting.denog.de/cfp_en.html Hope to see you in November, Arnold -- Arnold Nipper / nIPper consulting, Sandhausen, Germany email: arn...@nipper.de phone: +49 6224 9259 299 mobile: +49 172 2650958 fax: +49 6224 9259 333 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Swisscom "disables" xxx website!?
Sorry, But the DDOS Attaks is a Problem read Fredys article in http://www.blogg.ch/index.php?/archives/804-Immer-groessere-DDOS-Attacken-samt-Droh-Email-eine-neue-Dimension-im-Cyberkrieg.html I think the Problem is now so big, that also a swisscom has many problems to provide an XXX Site. 5 Years ago we have had to an xxx site. We has this canceled 5 years ago, if we have the same hacking attak on our Servers. For little Provider isn't possible to host a XXX Webpaga. Now you can see the bigest Provider as this problem too. And Swisscom hasn't small Backborn lines. The best Way was when only one Provider hosts all XXX Sites. I think nobody will hack the infrastructur, which is it useing self. Greetings Xaver - Original Message - From: "Jeroen Massar" To: "SWINOG" Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:03 PM Subject: [swinog] Swisscom "disables" xxx website!? > > ___ > swinog mailing list > swinog@lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
[swinog] Swisscom "disables" xxx website!?
http://www.20min.ch/digital/webpage/story/30859771 The article of course does not detail on how swisscom 'disabled' the website, which seems to be hosted in Germany anyway. *If* Swisscom has some way to be tricked into blocking websites by attacking random sites of theirs, then I am sure that soon Swisscom can better start leaving this whole Internet business. Also it can of course be called that they are applying censorship which is probably yet another lawsuit waiting to happen if they really do that (although IMHO in the case of xxx sites, meh, let people go somewhere else for their business). The article states also that that sex site was not reachable 'for months'. Only conclusion I can make out of that one is that the attacking source has too much resources which generally is not the case, maybe an attack lasts a day which takes a site out, but for a month!? Anybody got some insights, background and real details about all of this? Journalists are always so good in telling the wrong stuff. Greets, Jeroen signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
