Re: [swinog] Subliminal advertising / Spam from our domain registry switch/nic.ch
also got a similar email this morning. On the SWITCH website, I couldn't find a clear not-for-profit statement. It says that the organization is founded by several cantons and their Universities. I admit they could actually be a for-profit organization belonging to cantons -- same as cantonal banks, for example. But we see a clear example of unfair advertising, and an obvious case for the anti-monopoly authorities. - Original Message From: Martin Blapp m...@freebsd.org To: swinog@lists.swinog.ch swinog@lists.swinog.ch Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 4:01:52 PM I remember that switch itself made years ago some policies to not use the dns root .ch for advertising. And unfortunatly that's exactly what happens here, IMHO this mail advertises nothing else than 'switch plus' and their services. ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Subliminal advertising / Spam from our domain registry switch/nic.ch
Um... after only surfing their webpage for 30 seconds I found this: Aus den Statuten: Die Stiftung bezweckt, die nötigen Grundlagen für den wirksamen Gebrauch moderner Methoden der Teleinformatik im Dienste der Lehre und Forschung in der Schweiz zu schaffen, zu fördern, anzubieten, sich an solchen zu beteiligen und sie zu erhalten. Die Stiftung verfolgt weder kommerzielle Zwecke noch ist sie auf die Realisierung eines Gewinnes ausgerichtet. (Originalauszug aus der Stiftungsurkunde, Bern, 22. Oktober 1987) So according to their own documents, they have no commercial interest (never laughed so hard). Kind regards, Viktor Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: also got a similar email this morning. On the SWITCH website, I couldn't find a clear not-for-profit statement. It says that the organization is founded by several cantons and their Universities. I admit they could actually be a for-profit organization belonging to cantons -- same as cantonal banks, for example. But we see a clear example of unfair advertising, and an obvious case for the anti-monopoly authorities. - Original Message From: Martin Blapp m...@freebsd.org To: swinog@lists.swinog.ch swinog@lists.swinog.ch Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 4:01:52 PM I remember that switch itself made years ago some policies to not use the dns root .ch for advertising. And unfortunatly that's exactly what happens here, IMHO this mail advertises nothing else than 'switch plus' and their services. ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Subliminal advertising / Spam from our domain registry switch/nic.ch
Viktor Steinmann wrote: Um... after only surfing their webpage for 30 seconds I found this: Aus den Statuten: Die Stiftung bezweckt, die nötigen Grundlagen für den wirksamen Gebrauch moderner Methoden der Teleinformatik im Dienste der Lehre und Forschung in der Schweiz zu schaffen, zu fördern, anzubieten, sich an solchen zu beteiligen und sie zu erhalten. Die Stiftung verfolgt weder kommerzielle Zwecke noch ist sie auf die Realisierung eines Gewinnes ausgerichtet. (Originalauszug aus der Stiftungsurkunde, Bern, 22. Oktober 1987) So according to their own documents, they have no commercial interest (never laughed so hard). In their defense, they have lowered the registration fees at least three times in the last 8-9 years. That does show some lack of commercial interest. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (24.6°C) ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Subliminal advertising / Spam from our domain registry switch/nic.ch
In their defense, they have lowered the registration fees at least three times in the last 8-9 years. That does show some lack of commercial interest. hm... wasn't this because of the weko or some other institution forced them to lower the fees? -steven ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Subliminal advertising / Spam from our domain registry switch/nic.ch]
Hi, in my opinion, we should refer to the domain registry as NIC/CH (or nic.ch) It shouldn't be named SWITCH. SWITCH can operate them as long as they have the mission from the OFCOM/BAKOM (expires 2014?). But the name should be NIC/CH and no mention of any SWITCH services should be made with relation to NIC/CH. (remember when non SWITCH customer couldn't get ch. domains ?) ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Subliminal advertising / Spam from our domain registry switch/nic.ch
Hi We have been following this thread, and since some of you seem to be interested in participating in an effort against these actions by SWITCH, we wanted to point out that a group of ten Swiss hosting providers including us are already fighting this. While our group is financially involved, we have also collected signatures from about 50 other providers who just want to express their disapproval of these happenings without getting financially involved. So, if you're interested in any kind of action regarding this, I guess it'd make sense to coordinate with us. Feel free to contact Claudius Röllin who coordinates on our side: claudius.roel...@hostpoint.ch This recent mailing by SWITCH is by far not the only thing to be concerned about. It's really a long story, but here's a short summary of what has been going on so far: - round table led by SIMSA without any results - Lawsuit at Handelgericht Zürich regarding the unfair preference of switchplus on the SWITCH website, some reading here (sorry german): http://www.inside-it.ch/frontend/insideit?_d=_articlesite=iinews.id=18042 http://www.inside-channels.ch/frontend/insidechannels?_d=_articlesite=icnews.id=19089 http://www.inside-channels.ch/frontend/insidechannels?_d=_articlesite=icnews.id=21127 http://www.inside-channels.ch/frontend/insidechannels?_d=_articlesite=icnews.id=21545 - Lawsuit has been put back, so that the WEKO may start working (again german): http://www.inside-channels.ch/frontend/insidechannels?_d=_articlesite=icnews.id=21706 - Interpolation at the National Council by Natalie Rickli (SVP) Markus -- Hostpoint AG | The Data Residence | St. Dionysstrasse 31 | Postfach | CH-8640 Rapperswil-Jona Tel +41 844 040404 | Fax +41 844 090909 | www.hostpoint.ch ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Subliminal advertising / Spam from our domain registry switch/nic.ch
Hi Dan, Hmm, switch itself is a SIMSA member, so I guess no. -- Martin Am 12.07.2010 16:43, schrieb Daniel Kamm: Shouldn't SIMSA take care of this? Cheerz - Dan ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
[swinog] Subliminal advertising / Spam from our domain registry switch/nic.ch
Hi all, This morning I got a mail from switch, our official swiss dns registry. I remember that switch itself made years ago some policies to not use the dns root .ch for advertising. And unfortunatly that's exactly what happens here, IMHO this mail advertises nothing else than 'switch plus' and their services. Unfortunatly the services from switchplus are NOT even hosted in switzerland, they are reselled from germany. I've visited recently the switch webpage, and found in the middle on the page a banner to switch plus. This is very problematic since a lot of new people will follow this link and buy packages. All other swiss companies don't have this opportunity to advertize. Let's take another example. You all know the cantonal car-inspection MFK. For me this is like the MFK would offer now car repair, car-cleaning services at the time you have the car in inspection. What does an average customer then says to himself? 'Great, that's all from one place, from one hand, that's a deal, even if it is the same price as before.' At the end, the local dealers have to close their business, because they haven't the same rights the government and their institutions has. Finally we all loose, if lot of ISPs and hosters have to close their doors because webhosting and mailhosting is not able to finance the ADSL business anymore. Switch, you have an offical mission from BAKOM, please only do what you should do, and nothing else. Thank you ! Martin Blapp Sehr geehrter Herr XXX Sie erhalten diese E-Mail, weil Sie bei SWITCH einen oder mehrere .ch- oder .li-Domain-Namen registriert haben. Zurzeit werden Kunden von SWITCH seitens Dritter aufgefordert, ihren Domain-Namen von SWITCH zu einem anderen Anbieter zu transferieren. Dies mit der Begründung, dass man bei SWITCH bald keine Domain-Namen mehr registrieren könne. Um mögliche Missverständnisse und Verunsicherungen zu vermeiden, berichtigen wir diese Fehlinformationen wie folgt: SWITCH registriert und verwaltet die .ch-Domain-Namen im Auftrag des Bundesamts für Kommunikation (BAKOM). Der Vertrag zwischen SWITCH und dem BAKOM läuft bis zum Jahr 2015. Eine Erneuerung des Vertrags ist möglich. Sie sind daher bei SWITCH gut aufgehoben und brauchen nichts zu unternehmen. Mit der Gründung unserer Tochtergesellschaft switchplus haben wir die Weichen für die Zukunft - unabhängig vom Vertrag mit dem BAKOM und dessen Erneuerung - gestellt. switchplus bietet schon heute zusätzlich zur Registrierung von Domain-Namen das Hosting von E-Mail und Web an. Als unabhängige Stiftung hat SWITCH für die Schweizer Hochschulen das Internet in der Schweiz etabliert. Wir leisten einen wichtigen Beitrag zur Stabilität des Internets und bieten qualitativ hochstehende Dienstleistungen für Hochschulen und Dritte an. Für Fragen steht Ihnen unser Helpdesk jederzeit gerne zur Verfügung. Freundliche Grüsse SWITCH Internet Domains ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Subliminal advertising / Spam from our domain registry switch/nic.ch
I agree, that SWITCH should not have included this switchplus part in their info mail, as it's completely unrelated to the rest of the information. Also the banner on their website doesn't belong there, as no other entity can buy banner space there. The best reaction might be a letter to the federal competition comission (WEKO), since SWITCH is obviously using its (still) good name and user data to push a product/a company in an unfair way. I'm willing to sign such a letter, but I honestly wouldn't know, how to write one (lawyer's language...). Kind regards, Viktor Martin Blapp wrote: Hi all, This morning I got a mail from switch, our official swiss dns registry. I remember that switch itself made years ago some policies to not use the dns root .ch for advertising. And unfortunatly that's exactly what happens here, IMHO this mail advertises nothing else than 'switch plus' and their services. Unfortunatly the services from switchplus are NOT even hosted in switzerland, they are reselled from germany. I've visited recently the switch webpage, and found in the middle on the page a banner to switch plus. This is very problematic since a lot of new people will follow this link and buy packages. All other swiss companies don't have this opportunity to advertize. Let's take another example. You all know the cantonal car-inspection MFK. For me this is like the MFK would offer now car repair, car-cleaning services at the time you have the car in inspection. What does an average customer then says to himself? 'Great, that's all from one place, from one hand, that's a deal, even if it is the same price as before.' At the end, the local dealers have to close their business, because they haven't the same rights the government and their institutions has. Finally we all loose, if lot of ISPs and hosters have to close their doors because webhosting and mailhosting is not able to finance the ADSL business anymore. Switch, you have an offical mission from BAKOM, please only do what you should do, and nothing else. Thank you ! Martin Blapp Sehr geehrter Herr XXX Sie erhalten diese E-Mail, weil Sie bei SWITCH einen oder mehrere .ch- oder .li-Domain-Namen registriert haben. Zurzeit werden Kunden von SWITCH seitens Dritter aufgefordert, ihren Domain-Namen von SWITCH zu einem anderen Anbieter zu transferieren. Dies mit der Begründung, dass man bei SWITCH bald keine Domain-Namen mehr registrieren könne. Um mögliche Missverständnisse und Verunsicherungen zu vermeiden, berichtigen wir diese Fehlinformationen wie folgt: SWITCH registriert und verwaltet die .ch-Domain-Namen im Auftrag des Bundesamts für Kommunikation (BAKOM). Der Vertrag zwischen SWITCH und dem BAKOM läuft bis zum Jahr 2015. Eine Erneuerung des Vertrags ist möglich. Sie sind daher bei SWITCH gut aufgehoben und brauchen nichts zu unternehmen. Mit der Gründung unserer Tochtergesellschaft switchplus haben wir die Weichen für die Zukunft - unabhängig vom Vertrag mit dem BAKOM und dessen Erneuerung - gestellt. switchplus bietet schon heute zusätzlich zur Registrierung von Domain-Namen das Hosting von E-Mail und Web an. Als unabhängige Stiftung hat SWITCH für die Schweizer Hochschulen das Internet in der Schweiz etabliert. Wir leisten einen wichtigen Beitrag zur Stabilität des Internets und bieten qualitativ hochstehende Dienstleistungen für Hochschulen und Dritte an. Für Fragen steht Ihnen unser Helpdesk jederzeit gerne zur Verfügung. Freundliche Grüsse SWITCH Internet Domains ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Subliminal advertising / Spam from our domain registry switch/nic.ch
Hi there! SWITCH definitely pasted the line. Count me in for every fight against SWITCH. Best regards, Alexis -Original Message- From: swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of Viktor Steinmann Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:25 PM To: m...@freebsd.org Cc: swinog@lists.swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] Subliminal advertising / Spam from our domain registry switch/nic.ch I agree, that SWITCH should not have included this switchplus part in their info mail, as it's completely unrelated to the rest of the information. Also the banner on their website doesn't belong there, as no other entity can buy banner space there. The best reaction might be a letter to the federal competition comission (WEKO), since SWITCH is obviously using its (still) good name and user data to push a product/a company in an unfair way. I'm willing to sign such a letter, but I honestly wouldn't know, how to write one (lawyer's language...). Kind regards, Viktor Martin Blapp wrote: Hi all, This morning I got a mail from switch, our official swiss dns registry. I remember that switch itself made years ago some policies to not use the dns root .ch for advertising. And unfortunatly that's exactly what happens here, IMHO this mail advertises nothing else than 'switch plus' and their services. Unfortunatly the services from switchplus are NOT even hosted in switzerland, they are reselled from germany. I've visited recently the switch webpage, and found in the middle on the page a banner to switch plus. This is very problematic since a lot of new people will follow this link and buy packages. All other swiss companies don't have this opportunity to advertize. Let's take another example. You all know the cantonal car-inspection MFK. For me this is like the MFK would offer now car repair, car-cleaning services at the time you have the car in inspection. What does an average customer then says to himself? 'Great, that's all from one place, from one hand, that's a deal, even if it is the same price as before.' At the end, the local dealers have to close their business, because they haven't the same rights the government and their institutions has. Finally we all loose, if lot of ISPs and hosters have to close their doors because webhosting and mailhosting is not able to finance the ADSL business anymore. Switch, you have an offical mission from BAKOM, please only do what you should do, and nothing else. Thank you ! Martin Blapp Sehr geehrter Herr XXX Sie erhalten diese E-Mail, weil Sie bei SWITCH einen oder mehrere .ch- oder .li-Domain-Namen registriert haben. Zurzeit werden Kunden von SWITCH seitens Dritter aufgefordert, ihren Domain-Namen von SWITCH zu einem anderen Anbieter zu transferieren. Dies mit der Begründung, dass man bei SWITCH bald keine Domain-Namen mehr registrieren könne. Um mögliche Missverständnisse und Verunsicherungen zu vermeiden, berichtigen wir diese Fehlinformationen wie folgt: SWITCH registriert und verwaltet die .ch-Domain-Namen im Auftrag des Bundesamts für Kommunikation (BAKOM). Der Vertrag zwischen SWITCH und dem BAKOM läuft bis zum Jahr 2015. Eine Erneuerung des Vertrags ist möglich. Sie sind daher bei SWITCH gut aufgehoben und brauchen nichts zu unternehmen. Mit der Gründung unserer Tochtergesellschaft switchplus haben wir die Weichen für die Zukunft - unabhängig vom Vertrag mit dem BAKOM und dessen Erneuerung - gestellt. switchplus bietet schon heute zusätzlich zur Registrierung von Domain-Namen das Hosting von E-Mail und Web an. Als unabhängige Stiftung hat SWITCH für die Schweizer Hochschulen das Internet in der Schweiz etabliert. Wir leisten einen wichtigen Beitrag zur Stabilität des Internets und bieten qualitativ hochstehende Dienstleistungen für Hochschulen und Dritte an. Für Fragen steht Ihnen unser Helpdesk jederzeit gerne zur Verfügung. Freundliche Grüsse SWITCH Internet Domains ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Subliminal advertising / Spam from our domain registry switch/nic.ch
Bad typo.. :) = passed the line! Best regards, Alexis -Original Message- From: Alexis Caceda Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:32 PM To: swinog@lists.swinog.ch Subject: RE: [swinog] Subliminal advertising / Spam from our domain registry switch/nic.ch Hi there! SWITCH definitely pasted the line. Count me in for every fight against SWITCH. Best regards, Alexis -Original Message- From: swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of Viktor Steinmann Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:25 PM To: m...@freebsd.org Cc: swinog@lists.swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] Subliminal advertising / Spam from our domain registry switch/nic.ch I agree, that SWITCH should not have included this switchplus part in their info mail, as it's completely unrelated to the rest of the information. Also the banner on their website doesn't belong there, as no other entity can buy banner space there. The best reaction might be a letter to the federal competition comission (WEKO), since SWITCH is obviously using its (still) good name and user data to push a product/a company in an unfair way. I'm willing to sign such a letter, but I honestly wouldn't know, how to write one (lawyer's language...). Kind regards, Viktor Martin Blapp wrote: Hi all, This morning I got a mail from switch, our official swiss dns registry. I remember that switch itself made years ago some policies to not use the dns root .ch for advertising. And unfortunatly that's exactly what happens here, IMHO this mail advertises nothing else than 'switch plus' and their services. Unfortunatly the services from switchplus are NOT even hosted in switzerland, they are reselled from germany. I've visited recently the switch webpage, and found in the middle on the page a banner to switch plus. This is very problematic since a lot of new people will follow this link and buy packages. All other swiss companies don't have this opportunity to advertize. Let's take another example. You all know the cantonal car-inspection MFK. For me this is like the MFK would offer now car repair, car-cleaning services at the time you have the car in inspection. What does an average customer then says to himself? 'Great, that's all from one place, from one hand, that's a deal, even if it is the same price as before.' At the end, the local dealers have to close their business, because they haven't the same rights the government and their institutions has. Finally we all loose, if lot of ISPs and hosters have to close their doors because webhosting and mailhosting is not able to finance the ADSL business anymore. Switch, you have an offical mission from BAKOM, please only do what you should do, and nothing else. Thank you ! Martin Blapp Sehr geehrter Herr XXX Sie erhalten diese E-Mail, weil Sie bei SWITCH einen oder mehrere .ch- oder .li-Domain-Namen registriert haben. Zurzeit werden Kunden von SWITCH seitens Dritter aufgefordert, ihren Domain-Namen von SWITCH zu einem anderen Anbieter zu transferieren. Dies mit der Begründung, dass man bei SWITCH bald keine Domain-Namen mehr registrieren könne. Um mögliche Missverständnisse und Verunsicherungen zu vermeiden, berichtigen wir diese Fehlinformationen wie folgt: SWITCH registriert und verwaltet die .ch-Domain-Namen im Auftrag des Bundesamts für Kommunikation (BAKOM). Der Vertrag zwischen SWITCH und dem BAKOM läuft bis zum Jahr 2015. Eine Erneuerung des Vertrags ist möglich. Sie sind daher bei SWITCH gut aufgehoben und brauchen nichts zu unternehmen. Mit der Gründung unserer Tochtergesellschaft switchplus haben wir die Weichen für die Zukunft - unabhängig vom Vertrag mit dem BAKOM und dessen Erneuerung - gestellt. switchplus bietet schon heute zusätzlich zur Registrierung von Domain-Namen das Hosting von E-Mail und Web an. Als unabhängige Stiftung hat SWITCH für die Schweizer Hochschulen das Internet in der Schweiz etabliert. Wir leisten einen wichtigen Beitrag zur Stabilität des Internets und bieten qualitativ hochstehende Dienstleistungen für Hochschulen und Dritte an. Für Fragen steht Ihnen unser Helpdesk jederzeit gerne zur Verfügung. Freundliche Grüsse SWITCH Internet Domains ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
